Re: George Lloyd, Bishop of Chester 1605-1616, Anne Wilkinson, and Lansdowne MS 879
Kay Allen
Both of their baptisms are found at St. George Colgate, as is their parent's marriage. The Lloyd-Wilkenson marriage is found in the IGI as Floyd, not Lloyd.
The Rev. Mr. Henry Wilkenson obtained his benefice in Cheshire through his brother-in-law, the Bishop.
I have neo information on the Lansdowne MSS. This confirmation of the information was found in other sources, mainly records of St. George Colgate and Norwich records.
Kay Allen
a double Lloyd descendant through both of his dtr. Anne's marriages.
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Subject: George Lloyd, Bishop of Chester 1605-1616, Anne Wilkinson, and Lansdowne MS 879
George Lloyd, Bishop of Chester (1605-1616), married Anne, said to be Anne daughter of John Wilkinson of Norwich [this is likely to be Northwich in Cheshire].
The source of this identification appears to be the article of F. E. Sanders, “George Lloyd, DD, bishop of Chester, 1605–1616", Journal of the Architectural, Archaeological, and Historic Society for the County and City of Chester and North Wales, new series, 10 (1904), 86–100, at 98: “In the Lansdowne MSS. 879, in the British Museum, is a pedigree of the Lloyd family, by which it appears that the Bishop married Anne daughter of John Wilkinson, of Norwich, by whom he had a large family.”
Christopher Barttels posted this citation to the Gen-Medieval list 18 April 2003.
Brian Quintrell repeats the citation in his entry on George Lloyd in the recent Oxford Dictionary of National Biography [my web interface did not identify volume or page].
Neither Sanders nor Quintrell cites a folio number in the manuscript.
When I examined British Library Lansdowne MS 879–which describes itself as a register of funerals in the counties of Chester, Lancaster, Shropshire, and North Wales begun 5 May 1600 by William Segar, Norroy King of Arms–I assumed that it would be a straightforward matter to find the pedigree. It was not there. I went through the manuscript page by page but could not find it. The manuscript includes an index of marriages which appears to be thorough: I checked a number of marriages scattered through various pedigrees and found each in that index. There is no Lloyd-Wilkinson marriage in the index.
The manuscript does contain an entry for George Lloyd’s elder brother Rowland, who died 16 January 1605 [1605/6] (f. 42r) and for his sister-in-law Alice Bavant, widow of his brother David, who died 20 August 1603 (f. 23r).
I’d be grateful if other people interested in this family might examine the manuscript to see whether the pedigree is indeed there. I’d happily be proved wrong. If it is not there, then we must reconsider the evidence of Anne Lloyd’s identity.
Anne Lloyd’s will, dated 4 November 1640, codicil dated 4 November 1640, proven 8 January 1648/9 Chester, names her surviving children and a number of cousins, who might be, but are not obviously, connected to the Wilkinson family: her cousin Francis Gamull, his daughter Alice Gamull, and his eldest daughter; her cousin Mrs Jane Wright and Jane’s sister Mrs Eleanor Mynshall; her cousin Jane Plimley, [probably wife of William Plimley who witnesses the will].
There is circumstantial evidence of a Wilkinson connection in Francis Gastrell, Notitia cestriensis: or Historical notices of the diocese of Chester, volume 1 [Chetham Society 8 (1845)]: 169 n.3: “The rectory [of Shotwick] was granted by Leave of the Dean and Chapter, dated 30 Nov., 6 Jac., to Mr. Henry Wilkinson for three lives, viz.: Anne, wife of George Lloyd, Bishop of Chester, and David and John, sons of the said Bishop, paying £3 0s. 2d. per ann. for the corn tithe. David Lloyd was the only life in being in 1649.” It would be most unusual to take out a lease on the lives of people who were not close relatives, so Henry Wilkinson might have been Anne’s brother.
My thanks for your thoughts and help, and best wishes to you.
Scott Swanson
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Swanson, Scott
Thanks for your kind reply.
I thought Northwich in Cheshire because there are lots of Wilkinsons there, it often appears as Norwich in C16-C17 documents, and I thought, till I looked further that we were dealing with a northwestern manuscript. I have just tried to chase down the paper trail that identifies Anne as the daughter of John Wilkinson of Norwich.
So for as I can find, the first printed statement of the marriage comes in John Burke, A Genealogical and Heraldic Dictionary of the Landed Gentry of Great Britain and Ireland (London, 1847) I: 738: “George Llwyd, D. D. (sixth son) consecrated Bishop of Chester in 1604 who m. Anne, dau. of John Wilkinson, of Norwich, and was father with other issue, of an eldest son, David Llwyd, Esq. who m. Mary Garard”.
Several years later John Burke, The Royal Families of England, Scotland, and Wales, with Their Descendants (London, 1851), II p. xxxix, reprinted the same statement.
Cheshire Sheaf 2 (February 1882): 312-313 printed three of the funeral certificates from British Library, MS Lansdowne 879: “The three important genealogical documents following come to us from our much valued correspondent, Mr. John Paul Rylands, F.S.A., of Thelwall, who has caused them to be extracted for these pages from the Lansdowne MS. 879, in the British Museum.” The third is the funeral certificate of Rowland Lloyd; to which the editor appended a more general account of Rowland’s ancestry, his brothers, and their families.
In 1898 F. E. Sanders, referred another reader to the Cheshire Sheaf 2: 312-313 in Notes and Queries [9th S. II. Sept. 3, ‘98]: “Dr. George Lloyd, Bishop of Chester, (9th S. ii. 29).–Sigma Tau will find some particulars respecting Bishop Lloyd’s ancestry in ‘The Chesthire Sheaf,’ First Series, ii 312. These particulars are mainly extracted from the Lansdowne MS. 879. It appears that the bishop’s father, Meredith ap John, was of Llanelian-yn-Rhos, co. Denbigh. He deduced his descent from Griffith, youngest son of the celebrated Ednyfed Vychan, by his second wife, Gwenllian, daughter to Rhys ap Griffith, Prince of South Wales. She was widow to Conan ap Rodri ap Owen Gwynedd, and was reputed to be “the fairest woman in Wales.” The bishop’s wife was Anne, daughter to John Wilkinson, of Norwich. F. Sanders, M.A., F.S.A., Hoylake Vicarage, Cheshire.” In fact, the funeral certificate, quoted in the article, does not give the particulars of Rowland Lloyd’s ancestry as Sanders states. Those particulars as well as particulars about Rowland Lloyd’s brothers and their families were added by the editor.
So it looks as though F. E. Sanders mistook the editor’s contribution, which might well have come out of Burke, for information in MS Lansdowne 879. He died so first in Cheshire Sheaf (July 1899): 65 [448]: “In the Lansdowne MSS. 879 in the British Museum is a pedigree of the Lloyd family, by which it appears that the bishop married Anne daughter to John Wilkinson of Norwich....” F. S. Then in the 1910 article cited in my note.
>From there I think it passed into Rodney Horace Yale's genealogy of the Yale family (1908) and various handbooks.
The chain of documentation for the marriage of George Lloyd and Anne Wilkinson at the moment seems to lead back to undocumented Burke in 1847. Presumably John Burke saw some document, but he did not cite it.
Do you know of any contemporary documentation that would tie the bishop and his wife to the marriage record at St George Colegate in Norwich? The will of John Wilkinson? Land transactions in Norwich?
The circumstantial evidence is quite promising.
The marriage record of the parish register of St George Colegate, now online at Familysearch.org, states the George “Flude” was the minister of St Peter Mancroft in Norwich: George fflude single man & minister of St Peter Mancroft and Anne Wilkenson single woman of this parish were married the xiii of maye 1594.
If Anne Lloyd’s parents married in 1594 and she married in 1612, presumably she was first born, but the transcriptions of the Norwich registers don’t reveal her baptism.
Their son David, called David Floyde, was christened at St George Colegate 26 June 1597.
Thereafter records of baptism disappear from the Norwich register and pick up in the Heswall, Cheshire, register.
So far as I can tell, none of the published bibliographical work of George Lloyd identifies him as curate, preacher, or chaplain of St Peter Mancroft, Norwich. The Clergy of the Church of England [CCED] database notes a George Floud as curate of St Peter Mancroft. It would be a reasonable position for someone completing advanced degrees at Cambridge to hold. It would be worth seeing if there is clear evidence to clinch the identity of the two.
Matthew Reynolds, Godly Reformers and Their Opponents in Early Modern England: Religion in Norwich, c. 1560-1643 (Woodbridge, Suffolk and Rochester NY, 2005): 95 notes him in passing: “Possibly Hunt assumed the mantle of tending to semi-separatists from Serlesbye. In the event, we know that he was accompanied by members of his former Chattisham flock–notably Thomas Ensner–and that this teachings made an immediate impact in the city. The last point can be inferred from a case heard against Miles Willan, cordwainer, before the mayor’s court in April 1591. Willan had spoken disparaging words against John More and another corporation preacher, George Flood, the chaplain at St Peter Mancroft, while conversing with a blacksmith, Richard Stutter. Willan asked Stutter why he resorted to hear the preachers. Exclaiming that ‘they do not teach the truth but teach mens traditions and fancies’, Stutter objected, saying he liked the ministers ‘very well’, which caused Willan to turn his back on him and shun him.” Footnote 43 adds: “NRO, MCB/12, 1587-95, p. 540, 24 Apr 1591. George Flood was both chaplain and preacher at Mancroft from around 1588 until 1597, see NRO, NAW 1/12, liber cleri, 1596 and CA, 1589-1602, fos 16r, 604, 101v, 131r, 159r, 186r, 211v.”
I’d be grateful for any further information you have on these families. I tried to find Henry Wilkinson/Wilkenson in the Church of England Database, Venn, and Foster, but could not find any man of the proper age. They seemed a bit too young or a bit too old for someone born in 1577. John Wilkinson appears to have married Cecily (Bacon) Walters, and her father was Henry Bacon, twice mayor of Norwich.
Scott
descendant of only one of Anne Lloyd’s marriages!
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