Continued Anderson ascent for Sarah Ferguson Duchess of York

[Wjhonson]

Some time ago, I had mentioned the Anderson ascent for Sarah Ferguson

http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Soc/soc.genealogy.medieval/2009-07/msg00295.html

but was then stymied by Linc Ped not agreeing with CP on this point of who were the parents of this Charlotte (Anderson) Jocelyn wife of Robert Viscount Jocelyn and parents of the 1st Earl of Roden

A correspondent has sent me the will of Isabella (Allen) Anderson, the mother of Charlotte and Anne (Anderson) Goodwyn. I will transcribe part of this and post it to an article, hopefully in the next week.

[Wjhonson]

Just to quiet doubting Thomae or Johannim, here is the first (half) page of her will

https://sites.google.com/site/countyhistorian/isabellaanderson

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[Wjhonson]

Look again.
It's handwritten, but this was a very late period of time.
Hard to read the writing, but it's in plain English, not Latin.



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On Wednesday, April 25, 2012 7:54:06 AM UTC-7, wjhonson wrote:
Just to quiet doubting Thomae or Johannim, here is the first (half) page of

er will

https://sites.google.com/site/countyhistorian/isabellaanderson

>
I do wish I had paid more attention in Latin class in college. I have paid for
o many Wills for persons I am researching from the A2, downloaded them to my
erver and extra hard-drives, printed them in as large font as I can...and still
find it so hard to translate.
I think I may take the Latin class all over again.

[sangreel]

On Wednesday, April 25, 2012 7:54:06 AM UTC-7, wjhonson wrote:

I do wish I had paid more attention in Latin class in college. I have paid for so many Wills for persons I am researching from the A2, downloaded them to my server and extra hard-drives, printed them in as large font as I can...and still I find it so hard to translate.

[sangreel]

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/latin/beginners/

ahhh just my speed.

Upon yer advice Will, I shall start uploading the Wills that I have purchased.... and the documents I have inherited, but where? Tumbler? Scribed? Any ideas?

Any advice List? I feel they should be viewed by all, and as I see it, I will not be violating any copyrights if I upload to a account I use for storage and do not require someone to pay a fee or collect any monies from viewing said documents.

A Warner family member, who shall remain nameless so other family members do not get their knickers in a twist, dropped a few large boxes full of Warner Family and connecting families documents into my hands as they said I would know what to do with them. They go back to William Warner, who in 1637 arrived in the colonies. To date I have kept my dirty hands off them, but my will to resist is getting weaker by the day ;)

As to the A2 documents...... my only worry is copyright and uploading to a file storing source. [see list above]

[Wjhonson]

This will tells us a few new things.
Isabella was already a widow in 1694 when she dates this will.
And her two daughters "Anna Maria and Charlotte Anderson" were both minors and not yet married.

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[Wjhonson]

In addition, the will of Timothy Goodwyn (Archbishop of Cashel) exists, dated 1726 with a 31 Mar 1729 codicil and a 12 DEC 1729 codicil, proved 4 May 1733 I have a copy. In which he names his "brother Robert Jocelyn esq", and he names his wife living as "Anna Maria". His wife is to be guardian of the minors unless she dies or remarries, and then Robert.

He names his children John, George and Charlotte, none of them yet 21

At the proving, this Robert named as one of the executors is now called Attorney General of the king in Ireland
And at this point it's stated that Anna Maria had died intestate

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Subject: Re: Continued Anderson ascent for Sarah Ferguson Duchess of York



This will tells us a few new things.
Isabella was already a widow in 1694 when she dates this will.
And her two daughters "Anna Maria and Charlotte Anderson" were both minors and
not yet married.





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[MILLARD A.R.]

> From: Wjhonson [mailto:wjho...@aol.com]
> Sent: 25 April 2012 15:54

>
> Just to quiet doubting Thomae or Johannim, here is the first
> (half) page of her will
>
> https://sites.google.com/site/countyhistorian/isabellaanderson

Some clarifications/corrections:

Where you have it reads
[trust?] comit
[moderation?] mediation
[.....?] Children others elect Children
Mother Father and [...] Mother Katherine Bornford [?Bernford]


Best wishes

Andrew
--
Andrew Millard - A.R.M...@durham.ac.uk
Bodimeade genealogy:   http://www.dur.ac.uk/a.r.millard/genealogy/Bodimeade/
My family history:     http://www.dur.ac.uk/a.r.millard/genealogy/
GenUKI Middx + London: http://homepages.gold.ac.uk/genuki/MDX/ + ../LND/

[Wjhonson]

Thanks I appreciate it!

[tanya...@gmail.com]

Hey there

I am descended from the Allen family of Droitwich and I think I can help out with some further generations. I have discovered Isabella Allen was the daughter of John Allen of Droitwich and his wife Katherine. Katherine married secondly Richard Borneford.

I have in my possession a copy of an inheritance dispute dated 1694 involving Richard Borneford on one side (Katherine was deceased) and Anna Maria Anderson and Charlotte Anderson and their guardian Henry Hodges on the other. I haven't been able to understand all the details, not being an expert in the handwriting of times, but enough to confirm the above, as well as the parentage of the girls (Edmund Anderson and Isabella). At the time of the document Anna Maria and Charlotte were said to be of 8 or 9 years of age.

The reference to the dispute was

Allen Thomas Droitwich , Worcestershire Borneford v. Hodges 1694 C8/534/12

The said Thomas Allen was the father was John. Isabel (maiden name unknown) was his mother.

Thomas was the son of John Allen the younger of Droitwich and Margery Woodhouse of Salwarpe, and the grandson of George Allen of Droitwich, which is as far as I've been able to get on the Allen line. The Woodhouse line goes back further, to about the mid 1550s.

I hope this has been of some help.

[monke...@centurylink.net]

Has anyone every did list of all of Henry VIII"s Mistresses?



I know folks have talk and wrote about the wives. I was just wondering



Janet of Missouri

[Renia]

On 07/11/2013 11:31, monke...@centurylink.net wrote:
> Has anyone every did list of all of Henry VIII"s Mistresses?
>
> I know folks have talk and wrote about the wives. I was just wondering

According to Wikipedia:

In sharp contrast to Henry VII is his son and successor, Henry VIII
(reigned 21 April 1509 - 28 January 1547), whose libidinal surfeit is
still fabled � and, perhaps, exaggerated � to this day. His first
mistress, in 1514, was a Frenchwoman named Jane Popincourt, a tutor in
languages to Henry�s sisters Margaret and Mary. Though very little is
known of her, her promiscuity was so prominent that even the French king
wouldn't allow her back to his court, known for its promiscuity.[4]

Henry VIII�s next mistress was Elizabeth Blount, who was seventeen or
eighteen when she reached the height of her power in 1518. He was much
less discreet in this affair � at the Christmas revels in 1514, Henry
danced with her so much that even docile, accepting Catherine of Aragon
was so jealous that she persuaded Henry to exclude her from the Twelfth
Night festivities. However, in 1517 the king was reputed to be �in the
chains of love with her,� and in the spring of 1519, Elizabeth gave
birth to a boy, a child she named Henry Fitzroy �Henry, son of the king.
Elizabeth Blount, having fulfilled her main purpose, was married off to
Gilbert Tailboys, 1st Baron Tailboys of Kyme, one of his courtiers whose
family was said to have a history of insanity, and was remembered fondly
by Henry with the occasional New Years gift.[4]
Mary Boleyn is said to have been so promiscuous she was called a "great
prostitute"

The King�s next mistress was another Englishwoman, Mary Boleyn, who had
been living in France. At the French court she was, like Jane
Popincourt, known for her promiscuity: the rakish Francis I of France,
reputed to have been �clothed in women,� boasted that he, like most of
his friends, had slept with Mary Boleyn, describing her as �a great
prostitute, infamous above all.� Although she was married to Sir William
Carey when her affair with Henry began in the early 1520s, Carey is
thought to have been compliant. Both her children by her first marriage,
Catherine Carey and Henry Carey, 1st Baron Hunsdon, were reputed to be
illegitimates of Henry. Mary was afterwards sent to live in the country
with her husband.[7]

Henry�s next mistress was Anne Boleyn, sister to Mary Boleyn and the
mistress who would become his queen. Although there has been some
historical dispute over which sister was the elder, it was most
certainly Mary, making Anne the younger sister of one of Henry�s
previous mistresses.[8] At the time that Henry first noticed Anne, he
was also beginning proceedings for his divorce from barren Catherine of
Aragon, and as Anne refused to sleep with him unless she was his wife,
it seemed logical that he should make her his wife. She became his
mistress in the truest sense of the word in 1532 (six years after he had
first noticed her), and on 25 January 1533, she and Henry were married.
Henry went on to marry Jane Seymour, Anne of Cleves, Catherine Howard
and Catherine Parr. But from the beginning of his third marriage to his
death, Henry did not take another mistress that record exists of
today.[5] His other reputed illegitimate children, Thomas Stukley, John
Perrot and Etheldreda Malte, were all born in the 1520s.

Henry also took mistresses while Anne Boleyn was pregnant, two, in fact,
and one was Mary Shelton, although not much is known about this. The
other was Jane Seymour, who like Anne became his wife.

[Tanya Lang]

I found a baptism for Isabella Anderson, daughter of Edmund and Isabella today, dated 3 February 1681, at St Andrew, Holborn. I'm not certain of it because that would make her 13 in 1694, whereas the document I have says she's 8 or 9. Unless I'm misreading it. I'll have to go back and read it again.

[Tanya Lang]

I just found a will of a Sir Edmund Anderson of St Andrew, Holborn dated 12 Mar 1703. So it may be that the baptism above was of his daughter and not the Isabella Anderson we're looking for.

[monke...@centurylink.net]

http://www.thetudorswiki.com/page/MISTRESSES+of+the+King







Is the rumor true?



1525 - 1527 - Rumour



- Mary Berkeley 1525-1527 - was reported to have had two sons Thomas Stucley
and John Perrot both of whom were rumoured to be illegitimate children of
Henry.

While pregnant with her second son, Henry began his serious pursuit of Anne
Boleyn. Just after John's birth Mary was quickly married off to her first
husband, Sir Thomas Perrot.



Janet Ariciu of Missouri





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From: Renia

Date: 11/07/13 06:21:06

To: gen-me...@rootsweb.com

Subject: Re: question

On 07/11/2013 11:31, monke...@centurylink.net wrote:

> Has anyone every did list of all of Henry VIII"s Mistresses?

>

> I know folks have talk and wrote about the wives. I was just wondering





According to Wikipedia:



In sharp contrast to Henry VII is his son and successor, Henry VIII

(reigned 21 April 1509 - 28 January 1547), whose libidinal surfeit is

Still fabled � and, perhaps, exaggerated � to this day. His first

Mistress, in 1514, was a Frenchwoman named Jane Popincourt, a tutor in

Languages to Henry�s sisters Margaret and Mary. Though very little is

Known of her, her promiscuity was so prominent that even the French king

Wouldn't allow her back to his court, known for its promiscuity.[4]



Henry VIII�s next mistress was Elizabeth Blount, who was seventeen or

Eighteen when she reached the height of her power in 1518. He was much

Less discreet in this affair � at the Christmas revels in 1514, Henry

Danced with her so much that even docile, accepting Catherine of Aragon

Was so jealous that she persuaded Henry to exclude her from the Twelfth

Night festivities. However, in 1517 the king was reputed to be �in the

Chains of love with her,� and in the spring of 1519, Elizabeth gave

Birth to a boy, a child she named Henry Fitzroy �Henry, son of the king.

Elizabeth Blount, having fulfilled her main purpose, was married off to

Gilbert Tailboys, 1st Baron Tailboys of Kyme, one of his courtiers whose

Family was said to have a history of insanity, and was remembered fondly

By Henry with the occasional New Years gift.[4]

Mary Boleyn is said to have been so promiscuous she was called a "great

Prostitute"



The King�s next mistress was another Englishwoman, Mary Boleyn, who had

Been living in France. At the French court she was, like Jane

Popincourt, known for her promiscuity: the rakish Francis I of France,

Reputed to have been �clothed in women,� boasted that he, like most of

His friends, had slept with Mary Boleyn, describing her as �a great

Prostitute, infamous above all.� Although she was married to Sir William

Carey when her affair with Henry began in the early 1520s, Carey is

Thought to have been compliant. Both her children by her first marriage,

Catherine Carey and Henry Carey, 1st Baron Hunsdon, were reputed to be

Illegitimates of Henry. Mary was afterwards sent to live in the country

With her husband.[7]



Henry�s next mistress was Anne Boleyn, sister to Mary Boleyn and the

Mistress who would become his queen. Although there has been some

Historical dispute over which sister was the elder, it was most

Certainly Mary, making Anne the younger sister of one of Henry�s

Previous mistresses.[8] At the time that Henry first noticed Anne, he

Was also beginning proceedings for his divorce from barren Catherine of

Aragon, and as Anne refused to sleep with him unless she was his wife,

It seemed logical that he should make her his wife. She became his

Mistress in the truest sense of the word in 1532 (six years after he had

First noticed her), and on 25 January 1533, she and Henry were married.

Henry went on to marry Jane Seymour, Anne of Cleves, Catherine Howard

And Catherine Parr. But from the beginning of his third marriage to his

Death, Henry did not take another mistress that record exists of

Today.[5] His other reputed illegitimate children, Thomas Stukley, John

Perrot and Etheldreda Malte, were all born in the 1520s.



Henry also took mistresses while Anne Boleyn was pregnant, two, in fact,

And one was Mary Shelton, although not much is known about this. The

Other was Jane Seymour, who like Anne became his wife.

[Tanya Lang]

An update: I have come up with some information that may indicate that Thomas Allen was not the son of Margery Woodhouse, John Allen's second wife, but Jane Davis his first, daughter of Thomas Davis and Elizabeth Darby.

Firstly, is the will of George Darbie of Feckenham, Worcestershire written in 1596. He mentions Thomas Davis' son Nicholas and his son-in-law Henry Harris.

That leads to my doubts; the will also mentions his 'kinsman' John Allen and his children, Thomas, George, and Ann Allen. I have evidence that Ann was indeed the daughter of John Allen (she is mentioned in the will of Thomas Allen), but I have no evidence of a George born before 1601, when George Allen (the son of Margery Woodhouse), was born. In addition, John Allen had a son William whom I assumed was the William baptised 1592 son of John Allen, gent, who is not mentioned in the Darbie will. It is possible that William died young before 1596 and that John had another son William later on. It is also possible that he had a son, George who, similarly died young.

The problem is that I don't have a baptism for Thomas. All I know is, if he was indeed the Thomas mentioned in the Darby will, he was born before 1596. Unfortunately, Jane died in 1593. Margery's first recorded child was born in 1594, her next in 1597, so there is room in there for the baptisms of one or two additional children. The missing baptisms may have been in Dodderhill (Thomas Davis was living in Dodderhill at the time he wrote his will) and the Dodderhill records start later.

To sum it up. I tend to believe he was the son of Jane Davis, but I don't have enough information to prove it.

[Tanya Lang]

Another piece of information, which I forgot to mention in my previous post. John Allen's wife Katherine's maiden name was Harris, a fact confirmed by the will of her paternal uncle Wintour Harris. She was the daughter of Henry Harris of Droitwich

Henry Harris was the son of Henry Harris and one of the daughters of Thomas Davis and Elizabeth Darby (confirmed by Thomas Davis' will), and the grandson of Guy Harris and Mary Darby.

If Thomas Allen was, indeed, the son of Jane Davis, the John Allen and his wife Katherine Harris were cousins.

[Tanya Lang]

I'm not sure if anyone is still interested, but today I found Thomas Allen's marriage; he married Isabell Pollard, 12 February 1615/1616 at Great Witley.