Gov Thomas Dudley of MA
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Several books say he descends from Edward I.
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>Does anyonne have a royal line for Gov. Thomas Dudley of MA Bay Colony?
>
>Several books say he descends from Edward I.
>
>- Ken
>
1 John Plantagenet I b: December 24, 1166 Oxford, Eng d: October 19,
1216 Newark, Nottinghamshire, Eng
... +dau de Warenne
2 Richard FitzRoy
..... +Rohese d: 1265
3 Lorette de Dover
...... +William de Marmion m: 1248 d: 1276
. 4 John de Marmion d: Bef. May 07, 1322
....... +Isabel
... 5 John de Marmion b: Abt. 1292 d: April 30, 1335
........ +Maud Furnival d: Aft. 1343
.... 6 Avice de Marmion
.......... +John de Grey d: September 01, 1359
..... 7 Maud Grey
..... *2nd Husband of Maud Grey:
........... +Thomas Harcourt m: Abt. 1374 d: Abt. April 12, 1417
...... 8 Thomas de Harcourt b: of Strnton-Harcourt, co. Oxford d: 1420
............ +Jane Franceys
........ 9 Richard Harcourt b: of Wytham, Berks. d: October 01, 1486
............. +Edith St. Clair m: Bef. December 16, 1445 d: Bef. November
08, 1472
......... 10 Alice Harcourt d: Bef. June 19, 1526
............... +William Bessiles b: of Bressiles-Leigh, Berks d: 1515
.......... 11 Elizabeth Bessiles d: 1511 Bessiles-Leigh
................ +Richard Fettiplace b: of East Shelford, Berks.
........... 12 Anne Fettiplace b: July 16, 1496 Shelford Parva d: August
16, 1568
................. +Edward Purefoy b: January 13, 1493/94 Shalston, co.
Bucks., England d: June 01, 1558
............. 13 Mary Purefoy b: Abt. 1533 England d: Aft. 1579 England
.................. +Thomas Thorne b: Abt. 1521 Yardley, Hasting, England m:
Abt. 1549 d: Bef. May 09, 1589 co. Northampton
.............. 14 Susanna Thorne b: March 05, 1559/60 bapt.
Yardley-Hastings, co. Northhampton d: Aft. October 29, 1588
.................... +Roger Dudley m: June 08, 1575 Lidlington, co.
Bedford d: 1586
............... 15 Thomas Dudley b: October 12, 1576 Yardley-Hastings, co.
Northhampton* d: July 31, 1653 Bur. Roxbury, Mass.
James C. Woodard
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> Does anyonne have a royal line for Gov. Thomas Dudley of MA Bay Colony?
>
> Several books say he descends from Edward I.
Faris gives any number of almost-certain descents for Thomas Dudley. See page
93.
John Steele Gordon
ED MANN
>
> Does anyonne have a royal line for Gov. Thomas Dudley of MA Bay Colony?
>
> Several books say he descends from Edward I.
Several lines, including two through Edward III.
Direct Descendants of Edward I of England
1 King Edward I of England aka: "Longshanks" b: 17 Jun 1239 d: 1307
ref #: BRF:81
+Princess Alianore de Castile b: 1240 d: 28 Nov 1290 ref #:
Ä110-30
2 Joan Plantagenet aka: Joan of England; Joan of Acre b: 1272 d: 23
Apr 1307 ref #: F60:12
+Sir Gilbert de Clare aka: 3d Earl of Gloucester; 7th Earl of
Hertford b: 2 Sep 1243 d: 7 Dec 1295 ref #: W28-4
3 Margaret de Clare b: Oct 1292 d: 9 Apr 1342 ref #: F5:13
*2nd Husband of Margaret de Clare:
+Sir Hugh de Audley aka: 2d Baron Audley; 8th Earl of Gloucester
b: Abt. 1289 d: 10 Nov 1347 ref #: W150-6
4 Margaret de Audley aka: Baroness b: Abt. 1325 d: 16 Sep 1348 ref #:
F5:12
+Sir Ralph de Stafford aka: 1st Earl of Stafford b: 24 Sep 1301 d:
31 Aug 1372 ref #: W136-6
5 Beatrice de Stafford d: Apr 1415 ref #: F242:11
*2nd Husband of Beatrice de Stafford:
+Sir Thomas de Ros aka: 5th Baron Ros of Hamlake b: 13 Jan 1336/37
d: 8 Jun 1384 ref #: W1-6
6 Margaret de Ros ref #: F27:10
+Sir Reynold de Grey aka: 3d Baron Grey de Ruthyn b: Abt. 1362 d:
18 Oct 1440 ref #: Ä93A-32
7 Margaret Grey d: Aft. 1426 ref #: F28:9
+Sir William Bonville aka: K.G. / Baron Bonville b: 31 Aug 1393 d:
18 Feb 1460/61 ref #: Ä261A-38
8 William Bonville d: 30 Dec 1460 ref #: F28:8
+Elizabeth Harington d: Bef. 1458 ref #: Faris-ltr
9 [9] William Bonville b: 1442 d: 30 Dec 1460 ref #: F28:7
+[8] Katherine Neville b: Abt. 1435 d: Bef. 25 Mar 1504 ref #:
F134:8
10 [7] Cecily Bonville b: 1461 d: 12 Apr 1530 ref #: F28:7i
+[6] Sir Thomas Grey aka: 1st Marquess of Dorset b: Abt. 1453 d:
10 Apr 1501 ref #: F119:5
11 [2] Cecily Grey b: Abt. 1497 d: Abt. 1554 ref #: F119:5iii
+[1] Sir John Dudley aka: 7th Baron Dudley b: Abt. 1495 d: 1553
ref #: F92:3
12 Capt. Henry Dudley b: Abt. 1517 ref #: F92:2
+? Ashton d: Bef. Nov 1556
13 Capt. Roger Dudley b: Abt. 1550 d: Bef. Oct 1588 ref #: F93:1
+Susanna Thorne b: Bef. 5 Mar 1559/60 d: Aft. 1587 ref #: W50-13
14 Gov. Thomas Dudley b: Abt. 1576 d: 31 Jul 1653 ref #: F93:1i
*2nd Husband of [7] Cecily Bonville:
5 Joan de Stafford d: Bef. 1397 ref #: F57:12
+Sir John Cherleton aka: 3d Baron Cherleton b: Abt. 1334 d: 13 Jul
1374
6 [19] Sir Edward Cherleton aka: 4th Baron Cherleton b: Abt. 1371 d:
14 Mar 1420/21 ref #: F57:11
+[18] Alainor [I] de Holand b: Bef. 1387 d: Oct 1405 ref #:
F140:8iii
7 Joyce Cherleton b: Abt. 1403 d: 22 Sep 1446 ref #: F58:10
+Sir John Tiptoft aka: 1st Baron Tiptoft d: 1443 ref #: BxP:533
8 [5] Joyce Tiptoft ref #: F58:10iii
+[4] Sir Edmund Sutton aka: Edmund Dudley d: Abt. 1485 ref #:
F91:5
9 [13] Sir Edward Dudley aka: K.G. / 6th Baron Dudley b: Abt. 1459 d:
31 Jan 1531/32 ref #: F92:4
+[12] Cecily Willoughby ref #: F279:5i
10 [1] Sir John Dudley aka: 7th Baron Dudley b: Abt. 1495 d: 1553 ref
#: F92:3
+[2] Cecily Grey b: Abt. 1497 d: Abt. 1554 ref #: F119:5iii
*2nd Wife of [19] Edward Cherleton:
+[3] Elizabeth Berkeley d: Abt. 8 Dec 1478 ref #: W80A-8
*2nd Husband of Joan de Stafford:
5 Katherine de Stafford b: Abt. 1340 d: Bef. 26 Dec 1361 ref #:
F90:9
+Sir John de Sutton III aka: 2d Baron Sutton of Dudley b: Abt. Nov
1338 d: Abt. 1369 ref #: Ã81-33
6 Sir John de Sutton IV aka: 3d Baron Sutton of Dudley b: 6 Dec 1361
d: 10 Mar 1395/96 ref #: F90:8
+Alice aka: Alice le Despencer d: 1392 ref #: (Ä81-33)
7 Sir John de Sutton V aka: 3d Baron Dudley b: Feb 1379/80 d: 28 Aug
1406 ref #: F90:7
+Constancia Blount b: Abt. 1385 d: 23 Sep 1432 ref #: BxP:55
8 Sir John Sutton VI aka: 4th Baron Dudley b: 25 Dec 1400 d: 30 Sep
1487 ref #: F91:6
+[3] Elizabeth Berkeley d: Abt. 8 Dec 1478 ref #: W80A-8
9 [4] Sir Edmund Sutton aka: Edmund Dudley d: Abt. 1485 ref #: F91:5
+[5] Joyce Tiptoft ref #: F58:10iii
*2nd Wife of [4] Edmund Sutton:
*2nd Wife of John de Sutton IV:
3 Elizabeth de Clare b: 16 Sep 1295 d: 4 Nov 1360 ref #: F42:13
*2nd Husband of Elizabeth de Clare:
+Sir Theobald de Verdon aka: 2d Baron Verdon b: 8 Sep 1278 d: 27
Jul 1316 ref #: W13-6
4 Isabel de Verdun b: 21 Mar 1316/17 d: 25 Jul 1349 ref #: F63:10
+Sir Henry de Ferrers aka: 2d Lord Ferrers of Groby b: 1305 d: 15
Sep 1343 ref #: W100-6
5 Sir William de Ferrers aka: 3d Lord Ferrers of Groby b: 28 Feb
1332/33 d: 8 Jan 1370/71 ref #: F63:9
+Margaret de Ufford b: Abt. 1330 ref #: BxP:543
6 Sir Henry de Ferrers aka: 4th Lord Ferrers of Groby b: 16 Feb
1355/56 d: 3 Feb 1387/88 ref #: F63:8
+Joan de Hoo b: 1358 d: 30 May 1394
7 Sir William de Ferrers aka: 5th Lord Ferrers of Groby b: 25 Apr
1372 d: 18 May 1445 ref #: F64:7
+Philippe de Clifford d: 1441 ref #: (Ä248-34)
8 [11] Henry Ferrers b: Abt. 1394 ref #: F118:8
+[10] Isabel de Mowbray d: 23 Sep 1452 ref #: F197:9i
9 Elizabeth Ferrers b: Abt. 1419 d: 23 Jan 1482/83 ref #: F118:7
+Sir Edward Grey aka: 6th Baron Ferrers of Groby b: Abt. 1415 d:
18 Dec 1457 ref #: BxP:249
10 Sir John Grey aka: 7th Baron Ferrers of Groby b: Abt. 1432 d: 17
Feb 1460/61 ref #: F119:6
+Elizabeth Wydeville b: Abt. 1437 d: 8 Jun 1492 ref #: BxP:584
11 [6] Sir Thomas Grey aka: 1st Marquess of Dorset b: Abt. 1453 d: 10
Apr 1501 ref #: F119:5
*2nd Wife of [6] Thomas Grey:
+[7] Cecily Bonville b: 1461 d: 12 Apr 1530 ref #: F28:7i
*2nd Husband of Elizabeth Ferrers:
*2nd Wife of William de Ferrers:
*3rd Wife of William de Ferrers:
*2nd Wife of William de Ferrers:
*3rd Husband of Elizabeth de Clare:
*2nd Husband of Joan Plantagenet:
+Sir Ralph de Monthermer aka: 1st Lord Monthermer b: 1262 d: 5 Apr
1325 ref #: BxP:378
3 Sir Thomas de Monthermer aka: 2d Lord Monthermer b: 4 Oct 1301 d:
24 Jun 1340 ref #: F192:12
+Margaret d: May 1349
4 Margaret de Monthermer aka: Baroness Monthermer b: 14 Oct 1329 d:
24 Mar 1394/95 ref #: F192:11
+Sir John de Montacute aka: Lord Montagu d: 1390 ref #: BxP:372
5 Sir John de Montacute aka: 3d Earl of Salisbury b: 1350 d: 5 Jan
1399/00 ref #: F193:10
+Maud Francis d: 1424
6 [21] Sir Thomas de Montacute aka: 4th Earl of Salisbury b: Abt.
1388 d: 3 Nov 1428 ref #: F193:9
+[20] Alainor [II] de Holand b: 1387 d: Aft. 1413 ref #: F140:8iv
7 [15] Alice Montacute b: Abt. 1408 d: Bef. 9 Dec 1462 ref #: F193:8
+[14] Sir Richard Neville aka: Earl of Salisbury b: Abt. 1400 d:
30 Dec 1460 ref #: F15:11ivb
8 [8] Katherine Neville b: Abt. 1435 d: Bef. 25 Mar 1504 ref #:
F134:8
+[9] William Bonville b: 1442 d: 30 Dec 1460 ref #: F28:7
*2nd Husband of [8] Katherine Neville:
*2nd Wife of [21] Thomas de Montacute:
2 Elizabeth Plantagenet b: 7 Aug 1282 d: 5 May 1316 ref #: F24:12
*2nd Husband of Elizabeth Plantagenet:
+Sir Humphrey de Bohun VIII aka: 4th Earl of Hereford & Essex b:
Abt. 1276 d: 16 Mar 1321/22 ref #: W18-5
3 Sir William de Bohun aka: 1st Earl of Northampton b: Abt. 1312 d:
16 Sep 1360 ref #: F24:11
+Elizabeth de Badlesmere b: 1313 d: 8 Jun 1356 ref #: W36-7
4 Elizabeth de Bohun d: 3 Apr 1385 ref #: W19-7
+Sir Richard FitzAlan aka: K.G. / 10th Earl of Arundel b: 1346 d:
21 Sep 1397 ref #: F106:12
5 [17] Elizabeth FitzAlan b: 1375 d: 8 Jul 1425 ref #: F106:11
*2nd Husband of [17] Elizabeth FitzAlan:
+[16] Sir Thomas de Mowbray aka: 6th Lord Mowbray b: 22 Mar
1365/66 d: 22 Sep 1399 ref #: F197:9
6 [10] Isabel de Mowbray d: 23 Sep 1452 ref #: F197:9i
+[11] Henry Ferrers b: Abt. 1394 ref #: F118:8
*2nd Husband of [10] Isabel de Mowbray:
*3rd Husband of [17] Elizabeth FitzAlan:
*4th Husband of [17] Elizabeth FitzAlan:
2 King Edward II of England b: 25 Apr 1284 d: 21 Sep 1327 ref #:
F228:13
+Princess Isabelle de France aka: "Isabelle the Fair" b: 1292 d:
22 Aug 1358 ref #: Ä101-31
3 King Edward III of England b: 13 Nov 1312 d: 21 Jun 1377 ref #:
F229:12
+Philippa de Hainault b: 24 Jun 1311 d: 15 Aug 1369 ref #:
Ä103-34
4 Sir John of Gaunt aka: John Plantagenet b: Mar 1339/40 d: 3 Feb
1398/99 ref #: F15:11
*2nd Wife of John of Gaunt:
*3rd Wife of John of Gaunt:
+Katherine Röet aka: Katherine Swynford b: 1350 d: 10 May 1403
5 Joan Beaufort b: Abt. 1379 d: 13 Nov 1440 ref #: F15:11iv
*2nd Husband of Joan Beaufort:
+Sir Ralph de Neville aka: 1st Earl of Westmorland b: Abt. 1364 d:
21 Oct 1425 ref #: W45-7
6 Katherine Neville aka: Dowager Duchess of Norfolk b: Abt. 1397 d:
Aft. Jan 1477/78 ref #: BxP:394
*2nd Husband of Katherine Neville:
+Thomas Strangeways
7 Joan Strangeways
+Sir William Willoughby aka: Knt. ref #: F279:5
8 [12] Cecily Willoughby ref #: F279:5i
+[13] Sir Edward Dudley aka: K.G. / 6th Baron Dudley b: Abt. 1459
d: 31 Jan 1531/32 ref #: F92:4
*2nd Husband of Joan Strangeways:
*3rd Husband of Katherine Neville:
*4th Husband of Katherine Neville:
6 [14] Sir Richard Neville aka: Earl of Salisbury b: Abt. 1400 d: 30
Dec 1460 ref #: F15:11ivb
+[15] Alice Montacute b: Abt. 1408 d: Bef. 9 Dec 1462 ref #:
F193:8
*2nd Wife of Edward I of England:
+Marguerite de France b: 1279 d: 1317 ref #: Ä155-30
2 Sir Thomas Plantagenet aka: Thomas de Brotherton b: 1 Jun 1300 d:
Aug 1338 ref #: F205:12
+Alice de Hales d: Aft. 8 May 1326 ref #: (Ä155-31)
3 Margaret Plantagenet aka: Duchess of Norfolk b: Abt. 1320 d: 24 Mar
1398/99 ref #: F205:11
+Sir John de Segrave aka: 3d Baron Segrave b: Abt. 1315 d: 1 Apr
1353 ref #: BxP:485
4 Elizabeth de Segrave b: 25 Oct 1338 d: 1376 ref #: F205:11i
+Sir John de Mowbray aka: 4th Baron Mowbray b: 25 Jun 1340 d: 9
Oct 1368 ref #: F196:10
5 [16] Sir Thomas de Mowbray aka: 6th Lord Mowbray b: 22 Mar 1365/66
d: 22 Sep 1399 ref #: F197:9
+[17] Elizabeth FitzAlan b: 1375 d: 8 Jul 1425 ref #: F106:11
*2nd Husband of Margaret Plantagenet:
*2nd Wife of Thomas Plantagenet:
2 Edmund Plantagenet aka: Edmund of Kent b: 5 Aug 1301 d: 19 Mar
1329/30 ref #: F226:14xvii
*2nd Wife of Edmund Plantagenet:
+Margaret Wake aka: Lady Wake b: Abt. 1299 d: 29 Sep 1349 ref #:
W114-5
3 Joan Plantagenet aka: "Fair Maid of Kent" b: 29 Sep 1328 d: 7 Aug
1385 ref #: F139:9
+Sir Thomas de Holand aka: 1st Earl of Kent d: 26 Dec 1360 ref #:
W90-7
4 Sir Thomas de Holand aka: 2d Earl of Kent b: Abt. 1350 d: 25 Apr
1397 ref #: F140:8
+Alice FitzAlan d: 17 Mar 1415/16 ref #: F105:13iv
5 [18] Alainor [I] de Holand b: Bef. 1387 d: Oct 1405 ref #:
F140:8iii
*2nd Husband of [18] Alainor [I] de Holand:
+[19] Sir Edward Cherleton aka: 4th Baron Cherleton b: Abt. 1371
d: 14 Mar 1420/21 ref #: F57:11
5 [20] Alainor [II] de Holand b: 1387 d: Aft. 1413 ref #: F140:8iv
+[21] Sir Thomas de Montacute aka: 4th Earl of Salisbury b: Abt.
1388 d: 3 Nov 1428 ref #: F193:9
--
FWIW; AFAIK; IMHO; YMMV; yadda, yadda, yadda.
Regards, Ed Mann mailto:edl...@mail2.lcia.com
References:
Ä = Weis, _Ancestral_Roots_, 7th ed.
AACPW = Roberts & Reitwiesner, _American Ancestors and Cousins of
the Princess of Wales_, [page].
AAP = Roberts, _Ancestors_of_American_Presidents_, [page] or
[Pres. # : page].
BP1 = _Burke's_Presidential_Families_, 1st ed. [page].
BPci = _Burke's_Peerage_, 101st ed., [page].
BRF = Weir, _Britain's_Royal_Families_, [page].
BxP = _Burke's_Dormant_&_Extinct_Peerages_, [page].
EC1 = Redlich, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol I, [page].
EC2 = Langston & Buck, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
[page].
EC3 = Buck & Beard, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
[page].
F = Faris, _Plantagenet_Ancestry_, [page:para].
NK1 = Roberts, _Notable_Kin_Volume_One_, [page].
Π= Hardy, _Colonial_Families_of_the_Southern_States_of_America_,
[page].
S = Stuart, _Royalty_for_Commoners_, 2d ed. Caveat emptor.
W = Weis, _Magna_Charta_Sureties,_1215_, 4th ed.
WFT = Broderbund's World Family Tree CD, [vol]:[num] Caveat emptor.
WMC = Wurt's Magna Charta, [vol]:[page]
Jay....@dartmouth.edu
Jay
James C. Woodard
ED MANN wrote in message <369E947A...@mail2.lcia.com>...
Ed,
Is there some evidence, other than strong cicumstantial, that Henry and
Roger are father and son?
I am aware of all the descents you show here but they all seem to be
dependant upon the relationship between Henry and Roger and while I use this
ascent for the good Gov., I caveat it as unproven.
Jim
Nathaniel Taylor
<gwy...@aracnet.com> wrote:
>ED MANN wrote in message <369E947A...@mail2.lcia.com>...
>> +[1] Sir John Dudley aka: 7th Baron Dudley b: Abt. 1495 d: 1553
>>ref #: F92:3
>> 12 Capt. Henry Dudley b: Abt. 1517 ref #: F92:2
>> +? Ashton d: Bef. Nov 1556
>Is there some evidence, other than strong cicumstantial, that Henry and
>Roger are father and son?
>I am aware of all the descents you show here but they all seem to be
>dependant upon the relationship between Henry and Roger and while I use this
>ascent for the good Gov., I caveat it as unproven.
>> 13 Capt. Roger Dudley b: Abt. 1550 d: Bef. Oct 1588 ref #: F93:1
>> +Susanna Thorne b: Bef. 5 Mar 1559/60 d: Aft. 1587 ref #: W50-13
>> 14 Gov. Thomas Dudley b: Abt. 1576 d: 31 Jul 1653 ref #: F93:1i
The Dudley family was discussed at length in an (as yet) unpublished work
by Marshall Kirk of the New England Historic Genealogical Society, who
concludes (after reviewing the seven other proposed candidates for the
father of Capt. Roger Dudley), that this is the only scenario that fits
all the known circumstial evidence of Capt. Roger's apparent descent from
the baronial Sutton-Dudleys. Mr. Kirk's work is the basis of this line's
inclusion in Faris, though Faris didn't publish the discussion--just the
line. Thus while it remains unproven, it is a provisional line supported
by current scholarly analysis, though that analysis has not (yet) been
widely disseminated.
Nat Taylor
out...@hotmail.com
nta...@fas.harvard.edu (Nathaniel Taylor) wrote:
> In article <77nkoe$13o$1...@spitting-spider.aracnet.com>, "James C. Woodard"
> <gwy...@aracnet.com> wrote:
>
> >ED MANN wrote in message <369E947A...@mail2.lcia.com>...
> >>ref #: F92:3
> >> 12 Capt. Henry Dudley b: Abt. 1517 ref #: F92:2
> >> +? Ashton d: Bef. Nov 1556
>
> >Roger are father and son?
> >I am aware of all the descents you show here but they all seem to be
> >dependant upon the relationship between Henry and Roger and while I use this
> >ascent for the good Gov., I caveat it as unproven.
>
> >> +Susanna Thorne b: Bef. 5 Mar 1559/60 d: Aft. 1587 ref #: W50-13
> >> 14 Gov. Thomas Dudley b: Abt. 1576 d: 31 Jul 1653 ref #: F93:1i
>
> by Marshall Kirk of the New England Historic Genealogical Society, who
> concludes (after reviewing the seven other proposed candidates for the
> father of Capt. Roger Dudley), that this is the only scenario that fits
> all the known circumstial evidence of Capt. Roger's apparent descent from
> the baronial Sutton-Dudleys. Mr. Kirk's work is the basis of this line's
> inclusion in Faris, though Faris didn't publish the discussion--just the
> line. Thus while it remains unproven, it is a provisional line supported
> by current scholarly analysis, though that analysis has not (yet) been
> widely disseminated.
>
> Nat Taylor
living Dudley's dob and let's find out what kind of a gink he REALLY is. Don
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<and I edited>
> See comment between generation 12 and 13 below.
> ED MANN wrote in message <369E947A...@mail2.lcia.com>...
> >KHF...@aol.com wrote:
> >>
> >> Does anyonne have a royal line for Gov. Thomas Dudley of MA Bay Colony?
> > 12 Capt. Henry Dudley b: Abt. 1517 ref #: F92:2
> > +? Ashton d: Bef. Nov 1556
>
> Ed,
> Is there some evidence, other than strong cicumstantial, that Henry and
> Roger are father and son?
> I am aware of all the descents you show here but they all seem to be
> dependant upon the relationship between Henry and Roger and while I use this
> ascent for the good Gov., I caveat it as unproven.
> Jim
> > 13 Capt. Roger Dudley b: Abt. 1550 d: Bef. Oct 1588 ref #: F93:1
> > +Susanna Thorne b: Bef. 5 Mar 1559/60 d: Aft. 1587 ref #: W50-13
There is a discussion of this evidence in Faris, which I've referenced.
See F93:1