Jean de Crequy
Rsnble
died after 1327, and his wife Jeanne de Beauvais. Thanks in advance.
Sincerely,
Tom Kearney
Rsn...@aol.com
Gerard Poissonnier
Take these as possible leads to follow up on.
1. child of Jean I de Crequy and Jeanne de Beauvais
2. Seigneur de Crequy Jean I de Crequy
3. Jeanne de Beauvais
4. Seigneur de Crequy Baudouin IV de Crequy born abt 1235
5. Dame de Heilly Alix or Isabeau de Heilly born abt 1243
6. Chatelain de Beauvais Guillaume II de Beauvais born abt 1225
7. Dame de Ferrieres Leonore Crespin
8. Seigneur de Crequy Philippe de Crequy born abt 1200, died 1255;
Married 1224
9. Alix de Picquigny born abt 1205
10. Gauthier IV de Heilly born abt 1200
11. Jeanne de Picquigny born abt 1225
12. Chatelain de Beauvais Guillaume I de Beauvais born abt 1195
13. N. de Germiny born abt 1200
16. Seigneur de Crequy Baudouin III le Jeune de Crequy born abt 1170,
died aft 1237
17. Marguerite de Saint-Omer born abt 1175
18. Vidame d'Amiens Enguerrand I de Picquigny born aft 1175, died
November 1224
19. Marguerite de Ponthieu born abt 1180
20. N. de Heilly born abt 1170
21. N. N.
22. Vidame d'Amiens Gerard II de Picquigny born abt 1205, died abt 1248
23. Laure de Montfort born abt 1205, died 1227
32. Seigneur de Crequy Baudouin II de Crequy born abt 1140, died aft 1198
33. Clemence N. born abt 1145
34. Chatelain de Saint-Omer Guillaume IV de Saint-Omer born abt 1145,
died abt 1191, Married abt 1171
35. Ida d'Avesnes born abt 1155, died bef 1211
36. Vidame d'Amiens Guermond II de Picquigny born abt 1145, died 1206,
married 1175
37. Flandrine d'Amiens born abt 1145
38. Comte de Ponthieu Jean I de Ponthieu born abt 1142, died 30 June
1191 in Saint-Jean d'Acre Palestine, Married bef 1177,
39. Beatrice de Saint-Pol born abt 1155, died aft 1204
40. Seigneur de Heilly Gauthier III de Heilly born abt 1140, died aft 1219
41. Elisabeth D'Encre born abt 1140
46. Comte de Montfort Simon IV Le Macchabee de Montfort born abt 1168,
died 25 June 1218 in Toulouse, Languedoc, France, Married abt 1190
47. Alix or Amicie de Montmorency born aft 1173, died 24 February 1225/26
64. Seigneur de Crequy Raoul or Rodolphe de Crequy
65. Mahaut de Craon
68. Chatelain de Saint-Omer Guillaume III de Saint-Omer
69. Mathilde N.
70. Nicolas d'Avesnes
71. Mathilde de La Roche
72. Seigneur de Picquigny Gerard I de Picquigny
73. Beatrix d'Aumale
74. Chatelain d'Amiens Guy d'Amiens
75. Mathilde de Boves
94. Bouchard V de Montmorency
95. Florence ou Laurette de Hainaut
128. Seigneur de Crequy Gerard de Crequy
129. Yolande de Hainaut
150. Sire de Coucy Thomas de Marle
151. Dame de Montaigu Ermengarde de Montaigu
188. Connetable de France Mathieu I de Montmorency, Married 1126
189. Princesse d'Angleterre Alice d'Angleterre
256. Seigneur de Crequy Bouchard de Crequy
257. Richilde de Saint-Pol
378. King of England Henry I Beauclerc
--Gerard Poissonnier
Gerard Poissonnier
Anselme _Histoire Genealogique et Chronologique de la Maison Royale de
France_ 3rd Ed., Paris, 1730, Vol. VI
I.
Ramelin II, Sire de Crequy et de Fressin (fl. 986) m. 1st. Alix d'Oisy;
2d. Colle de Rumigny (Anselme, Vol. VI, P. 777-78)
II.
Baudouin, Sire de Crequy et de Fressin (In 1007 with the French Army at
the siege of Valenciennes)(Motto: "nul ne s'y frette" War Cry: "a Crequy
le grand baron") m. Marguerite de Louvain, Dame de Bierback (Henry,
Comte de Louvain)(Anselme, Vol. VI, P. 778)
III.
Bouchard, Sire de Crequy et de Fressin (fl. 1052) m. Richilde de St.
Pol(daughter of Hermez, Comte de St. Pol and sister of Anselme, Comte de
St. Pol)(Anselme, Vol. VI, P. 778)
IV.
Gerard, Sire de Crequy et de Fressin (In 1096 he went on Crusade)m.
Yolande de Hainaut (Baudouin III, comte de Hainaut & Yolande de
Gueldres)(Anselme, Vol. VI, P. 778)
V.
Radulfe ou Raoul, Sire de Crequy et de Fressin (fl. 1160, died 1181) m.
Mahaud de Craon (Renaud, Sire de Craon & Ennoguen de Vitre)(Anselme,
Vol. VI, P. 779)
VI.
Baudouin II de Crequy, Sire de Crequy et de Fressin (fl. 1182) m.
Clemence N. (Anselme, Vol. VI, P. 779)
VII.
Baudouin III le Jeune de Crequy, Sire de Crequy et de Fressin (fl.1209)
was present on the French side at the Battle of Bouvines m. Marguerite
de St. Omer (Guillaume, Chatelain de St. Omer & Ida d'Avesnes) (Anselme,
Vol. VI, P. 779)
VIII.
Philippes de Crequy, Sire de Crequy et de Fressin (fl. 1238, died 1255)
m. Alix (alias Ida) de Picquigny (sister of Gerard de Picquigny, Vidame
d'Amiens) (Anselme, Vol. VI, P. 780)
IX.
Baudouin IV de Crequy, Sire de Crequy et de Fressin, (fl. 1249) m. 1st.
Aelis, Dame de Heilly et de Rumilly 2d. Ide de Fosseux 3rd. Marthe
d'Amiens, Dame de Canaples (Marthe married a second time to Jean de
Picquigny, Seigneur de St. Huin) According to Anselme Baudouin IV had no
children by his last two wives. (Anselme, Vol. VI, P. 780)
X.
Jean I l'Estandart de Crequy, Sire de Crequy et de Fressin (fl. 1289) m.
1st Marguerite de Beauvais (Jeanne de Beauvais, according to Jette,
Dulong, Gagne, Moreau & Dube) (Guillaume II de Beauvais, Chatelain de
Beauvais & Leonore Crespin, Dame de Ferrieres) 2d. Isabeau d'Ailly
(According to Anselme all children by the first wife) (Anselme, Vol. VI,
P. 780-81)
XI.
Catherine de Crequy m. in 1327 to Guillaume II de Breaute, Sire de
Breaute et de Neville (Anselme, Vol. VI, P. 780)
Diane Sheppard
> Here, according to Pere Anselme, is the Crequy line. Source: Pere
> Anselme _Histoire Genealogique et Chronologique de la Maison Royale de
> France_ 3rd Ed., Paris, 1730, Vol. VI
>
Thanks for posting the line from Anselme.
Does Anselme cover Mathilde de Crequy who married Gerard de Picquigny
in 1246? According to ES Vol 13, table 143, she was the daughter of
Anseau II de Crequy (ES spells the surname Crecques)and Beatrice de
Guisnes, Beatrice was the daughter of Arnold II count of Guisnes and
Beatrice de Bourberg (ES Vol. 7, table 81).
Following is a simplified chart of Mathilde's descendants:
1 [2] Mathilde de Crecques d: Aft. 1296 married Gerard de Picquigny,
vidame d`Amiens m: 1246 d: Bet. May 1248 - June 1249 Father:
Enguerrand de Picquigny, vidame d`Amiens Mother: Marguerite de
Ponthieu
2 Jean de Picquigny, sire de Picquigny d: September 29, 1304 Perusa,
Italy, married Marguerite de Beaumetz m: Bef. 1278 Father: Gilles de
Beaumetz Mother: Jeanne de Conde
3 Jean de Picquigny, seigneur de Saint-Ouen d: Bet. September 16,
1338 - 1340 Hainault, married Marie ou Marthe d`Amiens, dame de
Canaples m: Bet. 1300 - 1310 d: Aft. September 16, 1338 Father: Gilles
d`Amiens, seigneur de Canaples
4 Marguerite de Picquigny d: Bet. May 31, 1384 - 1394, married
Colard dit Payen de Mailly, seigneur Lorsignal b: Bet. 1310 - 1315 m:
Bet. 1335 - September 16 1338 d: Bet. January 27, 1395/96 - 1400,
Father: Jean II de Mailly, seigneur de Lorsignol
5 Alix de Mailly, married Guilllaume de Marle Father: Jean de Marle
Mother: Robine de Fontaines
*2nd Husband of [2] Mathilde de Crecques: John de Oudenaarde m:
September 1251 d: Bet. December 12, 1293 - April 1294
referencess
The Picquigny family is covered in ES Volume 13, tables 143 & 144.
Table d'ascendance de Catherine Baillon, Rene Jette, John P. DuLong,
Roland-Yves Gagne, Gail F. Moreau, Joseph A. Dube, (Societe
genealogique canadienne-francaise, 3440 Rue Davidson, Montreal, Quebec
H1W 2Z5 (514) 527-1010, Spring, 2001), pp. 143, 154, 172
Mathilde is, therefore, the ancestor of Catherine Baillon and Marie
Martin who married Christophe Fevrier on November 16, 1671 in Notre
Dame, Montreal, Quebec.
Thanks in advance for any help that you can provide,
Diane Sheppard
posted from home (blueco...@comcast.net)
Gerard Poissonnier
Thank you. I believe that the Crecques family is not the same as the
Crequy family. I have not seen the Crecques line in Pere Anselme,
however, I will look further. What I have for the Crecques family comes
from: E. Warlop, Dr. Hist., _The Flemish Nobility before 1300_, (G.
Desmet-Huysman Publishers, 1976). Warlop is a very reliable secondary
source.
The following is the Crecques line from Warlop:
I.
Robert I de Crecques, Vicecomes (Warlop, Part II, Volume I, Page 742) m.
N. N.
II.
Robert II de Crecques, Free Knight m. Briarde de Bruges, Serf (Warlop,
Pt. II, Vol. I, P. 742)
(Warlop discusses in his work the concept of nobility in Flanders in
medieval times. Although Briarde de Bruges was born into a prominent
Flemish family, she was an unfree serf and not of noble birth. The
family tried hard to enter the nobility, but never succeeded in doing
so. Briarde was granddaughter of a serf who was able to rise to the
position of Knight, had an affair with his lord's wife, murdered his
lord, and took over his possessions and fathered children by his former
lord's wife. Although their mother was noble, since their father was an
unfree serf, the children of this couple were considered unfree serfs
and that status never changed, no matter how powerful or wealthy they
became or the noble families in which they intermarried. One of the
members of the de Bruges family later murdered Charles the Good, Count
of Flanders.)
III.
Anseau I de Crecques m. Mary N. (Warlop, Pt. II, Vol. I, P. 742)
IV.
Robert III de Crecques, Knight m. Mathilde d'Aire, Dame de Maugre
(Warlop, Pt. II, Vol. I, P. 742)
V.
Anseau II de Crecques, Seigneur de Crecques m. Beatrix de Guines
(Warlop, Pt. II, Vol. I, P. 743)
MTaHT
Alix de Breaute m. Jean sgr.le Senechal, born mid-1300s.
Their daughter Marguerite m. Robert 5 sgr.d'O.
Your post seems to contain likely candidates.
Thank you,
Mike Talbot
Gerard Poissonnier
I don't have this Alix de Breaute, so I don't know who her parents are.
I do have a candidate couple, however, assuming Alix was born in
the mid-1300's.
From Rene Jette, John P. DuLong, Roland-Yves Gagne, Gail F. Moreau and
Joseph A. Dube, "Table d'Ascendance de Catherine Baillon (12
generations)" (Societe Genealogique Canadienne-Francaise, Montreal 2001)
P. 124.
Roger de Breaute, Sire de Breaute, Baron de Neville (in 1364)
married about 1350-1360
Jeanne de Leon
Probably the best source for additional information, is
LaChenaye-Desbois, "Breaute", tome IV, col. 34-35. Unfortunately, I
don't have a copy of LaChenaye-Desbois, so I can't check to see if Alix
is listed.
For those who are interested, here is what I have on the Sires de
Breaute (very little, really).
1. N. de Breaute m. abt. 1380-1385 Jean Le Bouteillier, Seigneur de La
Bouteillerie
(She had a brother, Roger de Breaute. In an act dated 14 February 1418
is stated the following: "Rogier, seigneur de Breaute, de Neville, et de
Maneval, conseillier et chambellan . . . du duc de Bourgongne . . . et
gouverneur du pays de Normandie" to "Gui Le Bouteillier, chevalier,
seigneur de la Bouteillerie, nostre nepveu."[translation: "Roger, Lord
of Breaute, of Neville, and of Maneval, counselor and chamberlain to the
Duke of Burgundy and governor of the province of Normandy to Guy Le
Bouteillier, Knight, Lord of la Bouteillerie, our nephew."] This Roger
de Breaute married, about a decade before 1395, Marguerite
d'Estouteville. See, for the marriage, Pere Anselme, "Estouteville",
tome VIII, p. 90. See, for the quotation above, "Table d'Ascendance" p. 112)
2. Roger de Breaute, Sire de Breaute, Baron de Neville (in 1364)
married abt. 1350-1360
3. Jeanne de Leon
4. Guillaume II de Breaute, Sire de Breaute et de Neville
married in 1327
5. Catherine de Crequy
6. Jean de Leon, Seigneur de Montagu
married (unknown, but probably about the 1320's)
7. Jeanne de Varennes
(I don't know the ancestors of this couple, but the names are
intriguing. For instance, de Varennes is also de Warennes. Is Jeanne a
part of the de Warrenne family? If so, how does she fit in? Also, Jean
de Leon is said to be Seigneur de Montagu. Does he fit into the Montagu
family somewhere? If so, how? Perhaps someone in the group has some
answers, or even some clues.)
8. Guillaume I de Breaute, Sire de Breaute
married in 1275
9. Jeanne de Neville, Dame de Neville en Caux
(I also have no idea who Jeanne's parents are. But, once again, the
last name is intriguing. Is she part of the Nevilles, and if so, where
does she fit in? de Montagu, de Varennes (de Warrene?) and de Neville,
all in Normandy. Sounds like connections to families who went to
England with the Conqueror. Can anyone here help me with these lines?)
10. Jean I l'Estandart de Crequy, Sire de Crequy et de Canaples
married about 1290-1300
11. Jeanne (or Marguerite?) de Beauvais
Again, it appears LaChenaye-Desbois is probably the best place to start
with regards to this line.
--Gerard
Roger LeBlanc
de Neville connections. I just want to add that in searching for this Jeanne de
Varennes it could also be a question of 'Joan' de Warennes. Likewise for a
'Joan' de Neville or a 'John' de Leon.
A big thank you to Gerard for his recent posts on the de Crequy line.
Roger LeBlanc