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CP Additions and Corrections: Cressy
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Dear all,
A few more corrections and additions for CP's account of the Cressy family.
"William de Cressy, of Hodsock, Notts, Melton, co. York, Risegate, Braytoft, &c, co. Lincoln, son and heir of Roger de Cressy (died about 1245),(c) of Hodsock and Melton, by Sibyl, daughter and heir of John de Braytoft, of Risegate, Braytoft, &c., born about 1245."
Note (c): "He paid a fine for marrying Sibyl (m. before July 1241) 26 Apr. 1242. Before 22 Mar. 1245/6 Sibyl was remarried to Alvred de Suliny (Subligny near Avranches)."
Complete Peerage, vol. 3, 259.
Correction 1: Roger de Cressy and Sibyl de Bratoft (modern spelling of place name) were married before 15 July 1238.
15 July 1238, Lincolnshire. The king has taken the homage of Sibyl, daughter and heiress of John of Bratoft, wife of Roger de Cressy, for the lands which John held of the king in chief in Surfleet in Lincolnshire. Order to Roger of Essex, escheator, to take security for 40s. to the king's use for her relief.
Calendar of Fine Rolls 22 Henry III, No. 73.
Correction 2: Roger de Cressy died before 15 August 1244, when Sibyl and her second husband Alvred de Suliny (there are numerous contemporary spellings of the name) were pardoned payment of £4 which they owed the king for 2 years payment for their land in Surfleet, Lincolnshire.
15 August 1244, De perdonatione.-- Rex perdonavit Alvredo de Suliny et Sibille uxori ejus iiij. libras que regi restant reddende de ij. annis de xl. solidis quos regi reddunt per annum de terra sua in Sufflet'. Et mandatum est vicecomiti Linc' quod eis pacem inde habere permittat.
Calendar of Close Rolls, Henry III: vol. 5, 1242-1247 (1916), 221.
Alvred de Suliny was of Newton Sulney, Derbyshire and Upper Broughton, Nottinghamshire (Farrer, HKF, vol. 2, 40-42).
25 October 1252, [For] Alvred de Soligny. The king has pardoned to Alvred de Soligny, who has taken to wife Sibyl, daughter and heiress of John of Braytoft, the £11 which are exacted from Alvred and Sibyl by summons of the Exchequer for the arrears of the king's thirtieth in Lincolnshire from the time when the aforesaid John was a collector of the aforesaid thirtieth. Order to the barons of the Exchequer to cause Alvred and Sibyl to be quit from the aforesaid 11 m [sic].
Calendar of Fine Rolls 36 Henry III, No. 1304.
In July 1253, Alvred de Suliny was granted £20 a year, so long as he was in the king's service and he had protection crossing with the king to Gascony. In September 1253, he was constable of Gironde (CPR, Henry III, vol. 4, 208, 235, 243). I can find no contemporary references to him after this date.
It is probable that Sibyl was the mother of Alvred's two sons, John and Alvred.
Addition: Sibyl de Bratoft married thirdly, before 1264, Sir Adam de St. Lô (Sancto Laudo).
In 1264 Sir Adam de St. Lô and Sibilla his wife presented Thomas de S. Laudo, subdeacon, to a mediety of the church of Claypole, Lincolnshire.
F. N. Davis, ed., Rotuli Ricardi Gravesend Episcopi Lincolniensis: 1258-1274, Lincoln Record Society, 20 (1925), 17.
On 5 November 1278, Adam de St. Lô was appointed sheriff of Lincolnshire. He died in office before 20 February 1281 (CFR, vol. 1, 104, 142). Adam's heir appears to have been his brother Ralph.
"William de Cressy married Joan."
Complete Peerage, vol. 3, 260.
It's surprising that CP does not give Joan's parentage, since it has been in print at least since 1790 in Thoroton's History of Nottinghamshire.
"In a Plea for a mess. in Nottingham, 3 E. 3, before William Herle and his fellows, the Munday after St. Martin [13 November 1329] at that place, Johan, who had been, wife of William de Cressy, daughter and one of the heirs of Ranulph de Wandesleye, and William, son of William Folejambe of Gratton, cousin and the other of the heirs of the said Ranulph, were called to warrant."
John Throsby, ed., Thoroton's History of Nottinghamshire, vol. 2 (Nottingham, 1790), 262.
Joan was the daughter and co-heir of Ranulf de Wansley (modern spelling of the place name), of Wansley and Selston, Nottinghamshire. According to testimony given in a court case in 1318 concerning land in Selston, Ranulf de Wansley (Ranulphus de Wandesley) had two daughters; Joan, wife of William de Cressy and Isabel married to William de Gretton (a.k.a. William Foljambe of Gretton).
Year Books of Edward II, Vol. 18, 1315, Selden Society, 37 (London, 1920), 129-130.
William and Joan had at least four sons:
1. Hugh, son and heir, who died s.p. shortly before 7 December 1317. His father granted him the manor of Hodsock, in tail with remainder for life to his brother Edmund.
2. Roger, who was alive in 1311, but died before his elder brother Hugh.
3. Edmund, who held the manor of Hodsock for life after the death of Hugh his brother. Edmund was still alive in March 1347.
4. William, to whom his father owed £200 in 1301 to be levied, in default of payment, of his lands and chattels in cos. Lincoln and Nottingham. This debt was the source of a long running dispute between William son of Roger de Cressy and William son of William de Cressy which was still being fought in Chancery in October 1325.
Joan, who must have lived to a great age, was probably still living in 1346 when Thomas de Gretton, Joan de Cressy and Hugh de Cressy were holding 1 knight's fee in Wandesley which Ranulf de Wandesley once held (Feudal Aids, vol. 4, 117).
Regards,
John
A few more corrections and additions for CP's account of the Cressy family.
"William de Cressy, of Hodsock, Notts, Melton, co. York, Risegate, Braytoft, &c, co. Lincoln, son and heir of Roger de Cressy (died about 1245),(c) of Hodsock and Melton, by Sibyl, daughter and heir of John de Braytoft, of Risegate, Braytoft, &c., born about 1245."
Note (c): "He paid a fine for marrying Sibyl (m. before July 1241) 26 Apr. 1242. Before 22 Mar. 1245/6 Sibyl was remarried to Alvred de Suliny (Subligny near Avranches)."
Complete Peerage, vol. 3, 259.
Correction 1: Roger de Cressy and Sibyl de Bratoft (modern spelling of place name) were married before 15 July 1238.
15 July 1238, Lincolnshire. The king has taken the homage of Sibyl, daughter and heiress of John of Bratoft, wife of Roger de Cressy, for the lands which John held of the king in chief in Surfleet in Lincolnshire. Order to Roger of Essex, escheator, to take security for 40s. to the king's use for her relief.
Calendar of Fine Rolls 22 Henry III, No. 73.
Correction 2: Roger de Cressy died before 15 August 1244, when Sibyl and her second husband Alvred de Suliny (there are numerous contemporary spellings of the name) were pardoned payment of £4 which they owed the king for 2 years payment for their land in Surfleet, Lincolnshire.
15 August 1244, De perdonatione.-- Rex perdonavit Alvredo de Suliny et Sibille uxori ejus iiij. libras que regi restant reddende de ij. annis de xl. solidis quos regi reddunt per annum de terra sua in Sufflet'. Et mandatum est vicecomiti Linc' quod eis pacem inde habere permittat.
Calendar of Close Rolls, Henry III: vol. 5, 1242-1247 (1916), 221.
Alvred de Suliny was of Newton Sulney, Derbyshire and Upper Broughton, Nottinghamshire (Farrer, HKF, vol. 2, 40-42).
25 October 1252, [For] Alvred de Soligny. The king has pardoned to Alvred de Soligny, who has taken to wife Sibyl, daughter and heiress of John of Braytoft, the £11 which are exacted from Alvred and Sibyl by summons of the Exchequer for the arrears of the king's thirtieth in Lincolnshire from the time when the aforesaid John was a collector of the aforesaid thirtieth. Order to the barons of the Exchequer to cause Alvred and Sibyl to be quit from the aforesaid 11 m [sic].
Calendar of Fine Rolls 36 Henry III, No. 1304.
In July 1253, Alvred de Suliny was granted £20 a year, so long as he was in the king's service and he had protection crossing with the king to Gascony. In September 1253, he was constable of Gironde (CPR, Henry III, vol. 4, 208, 235, 243). I can find no contemporary references to him after this date.
It is probable that Sibyl was the mother of Alvred's two sons, John and Alvred.
Addition: Sibyl de Bratoft married thirdly, before 1264, Sir Adam de St. Lô (Sancto Laudo).
In 1264 Sir Adam de St. Lô and Sibilla his wife presented Thomas de S. Laudo, subdeacon, to a mediety of the church of Claypole, Lincolnshire.
F. N. Davis, ed., Rotuli Ricardi Gravesend Episcopi Lincolniensis: 1258-1274, Lincoln Record Society, 20 (1925), 17.
On 5 November 1278, Adam de St. Lô was appointed sheriff of Lincolnshire. He died in office before 20 February 1281 (CFR, vol. 1, 104, 142). Adam's heir appears to have been his brother Ralph.
"William de Cressy married Joan."
Complete Peerage, vol. 3, 260.
It's surprising that CP does not give Joan's parentage, since it has been in print at least since 1790 in Thoroton's History of Nottinghamshire.
"In a Plea for a mess. in Nottingham, 3 E. 3, before William Herle and his fellows, the Munday after St. Martin [13 November 1329] at that place, Johan, who had been, wife of William de Cressy, daughter and one of the heirs of Ranulph de Wandesleye, and William, son of William Folejambe of Gratton, cousin and the other of the heirs of the said Ranulph, were called to warrant."
John Throsby, ed., Thoroton's History of Nottinghamshire, vol. 2 (Nottingham, 1790), 262.
Joan was the daughter and co-heir of Ranulf de Wansley (modern spelling of the place name), of Wansley and Selston, Nottinghamshire. According to testimony given in a court case in 1318 concerning land in Selston, Ranulf de Wansley (Ranulphus de Wandesley) had two daughters; Joan, wife of William de Cressy and Isabel married to William de Gretton (a.k.a. William Foljambe of Gretton).
Year Books of Edward II, Vol. 18, 1315, Selden Society, 37 (London, 1920), 129-130.
William and Joan had at least four sons:
1. Hugh, son and heir, who died s.p. shortly before 7 December 1317. His father granted him the manor of Hodsock, in tail with remainder for life to his brother Edmund.
2. Roger, who was alive in 1311, but died before his elder brother Hugh.
3. Edmund, who held the manor of Hodsock for life after the death of Hugh his brother. Edmund was still alive in March 1347.
4. William, to whom his father owed £200 in 1301 to be levied, in default of payment, of his lands and chattels in cos. Lincoln and Nottingham. This debt was the source of a long running dispute between William son of Roger de Cressy and William son of William de Cressy which was still being fought in Chancery in October 1325.
Joan, who must have lived to a great age, was probably still living in 1346 when Thomas de Gretton, Joan de Cressy and Hugh de Cressy were holding 1 knight's fee in Wandesley which Ranulf de Wandesley once held (Feudal Aids, vol. 4, 117).
Regards,
John
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