Countess Lucy, definitely not Ctess Ida
G . EDWARD ALLEN
Lucy. Farrer in the Honr of Chester vol. of Honors and Knights' Fees,
p.153 et seq.:
"In Bolingbroke wapentake, Lincs., Ivo Taillebois had 2 carucates in
Bolingbroke in 1086, which Stori held T.R.E. [time of King Edward], 1
car. of which was in the soc, with the other soc in 19 places (86 car.
and 3 bov.). Stori also held Belchford; possibly he was the Stori, Tori
or Thuri, the huscarle of King Edward, who was Walter de Aincurt's
predecessor inseveral counties. ...
Much ink has been spilt over the debate asto te parentage of the
countess Lucy, and various conjectures on the subject have been put
forward by Thomas Stapleton[Hist. of the Norman Excheque, ii:cliii],
John Gough Nichols [Topographer and Genealogist, 1:12ff and
Archeological Institute(Lincoln),1848:254ff], Prof. Freeman [Norman
Conquest, ii:682],REG Kirk [The Genealogist, NS iv and v] and others.
Some writers have been led astray by associating Thorold the sheriff
with the Domesday fee of Ivo Taillebois, the first husband of Lucy. The
writer of these notes suggests that Thorold the sheriff was the
pre-conquest holder of the manor of Greetham and some part of the fee
which Hugh earl of Chester held at the date of the Domesday survey, on
the ground that in 1165 Hugh earl of Chester contributed in
Leicestershire 20 marks to the levy for the army of Wales 'for the fee
of Thorold the sheriff,' [Pipe Roll, 11 Hen. II, p. 37.] at he same time
that Richard de Canvill accounted on behalf of William de Romare, then
in his minority, for 46 3/8 knights' fees of the Honor of Romare in
Lincolnshire. [Ibid. 38] It is improbable that Thorold the sheriff was a
benefactor to Spalding abbey. The gift of tithes in Tetney, Alkborough,
Normanby-on-the-Wold, Belchford and Scamblesby, made by 'Thorold' to St.
Nicholas of Angers, appears to have been the gift of a later Thorold
[Mon. Anglic. iii:215b], possibly an Angevin and the predecessor of Ivo
Taillebois at Bolingbroke and Belchford. It is not impossible that this
Thorold was the successor of Stori, and as statedin the Spalding
chartulary, predecessor of Ivo Taillebois and kinsman of Lucy. From the
date (1091-2) it is thus unlikely that he was Turold, a baron of
Lincolnshire and Nottinghamshire to whom a writ of William II was
addressed whereby he appointed Columbanus abbot of St. Mary's, Stow.
[Chartulary of Eynsham, i:48].
The name of Lucy's father does not appear to have been preserved, but
there is satisfactory evidence that her mother was daughter of William
Malet [Cotton Ch. xvii:2], from whom she appears to have obtained the
manor of Alkborough in marriage, with certain soclands of Malet's manor
of Barrowby-in-Honington and Barkston. As Mr. Stapleton has pointed out,
the severance of the manor of Alkborough from the honor of Eye can best
be explained by reason that it was the maritagium of Lucy's mother."
This sheds some new light.
Kay Allen AG all...@pacbell.net