Elizabeth Wydeville, Lady Pashley
Michelle.Mu...@ccmail.team400.ie
2 Sir John Pashley b: 1407 d: 8 Jun 1453 ref #:
F110:7
+Elizabeth Wydeville d: 8 Jun 1453
Is this Elizabeth any relation to Richard Wydeville, husband to Jacquetta
Dowager Duchess of Bedford? Richard would have lived at exactly the same time
(assuming Elizabeth was a little younger than Sir John Pashley, her husband, if
Richard Wydeville had been her brother, this would be correct. )
regards,
Michelle Murphy
michell...@life.friendsfirst.ie
ED MANN
>
> Ed Mann wrote:
>
> 2 Sir John Pashley b: 1407 d: 8 Jun 1453 ref #:
> F110:7
> +Elizabeth Wydeville d: 8 Jun 1453
>
> Is this Elizabeth any relation to Richard Wydeville, husband to Jacquetta
> Dowager Duchess of Bedford? Richard would have lived at exactly the same time
> (assuming Elizabeth was a little younger than Sir John Pashley, her husband, if
> Richard Wydeville had been her brother, this would be correct. )
I have her as sister, but didn't note my source.
--
FWIW; AFAIK; IMHO; YMMV; yadda, yadda, yadda.
Regards, Ed Mann mailto:edl...@mail2.lcia.com
References:
Ä = Weis, _Ancestral_Roots_, 7th ed.
AACPW = Roberts & Reitwiesner, _American Ancestors and Cousins of
the Princess of Wales_, [page].
AAP = Roberts, _Ancestors_of_American_Presidents_, [page] or
[Pres. # : page].
BP1 = _Burke's_Presidential_Families_, 1st ed. [page].
BPci = _Burke's_Peerage_, 101st ed., [page].
BRF = Weir, _Britain's_Royal_Families_, [page].
BxP = _Burke's_Dormant_&_Extinct_Peerages_, [page].
EC1 = Redlich, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol I, [page].
EC2 = Langston & Buck, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
[page].
EC3 = Buck & Beard, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
[page].
F = Faris, _Plantagenet_Ancestry_, [page:para].
NK1 = Roberts, _Notable_Kin_Volume_One_, [page].
Π= Hardy, _Colonial_Families_of_the_Southern_States_of_America_,
[page].
S = Stuart, _Royalty_for_Commoners_, 2d ed. Caveat emptor.
W = Weis, _Magna_Charta_Sureties,_1215_, 4th ed.
WFT = Broderbund's World Family Tree CD, [vol]:[num] Caveat emptor.
WMC = Wurt's Magna Charta, [vol]:[page]
John Yohalem
Ed Mann wrote:
2 Sir John Pashley b: 1407 d: 8 Jun 1453 ref #:
F110:7
+Elizabeth Wydeville d: 8 Jun 1453
Is this Elizabeth any relation to Richard Wydeville, husband to Jacquetta
Dowager Duchess of Bedford? Richard would have lived at exactly the same
time
(assuming Elizabeth was a little younger than Sir John Pashley, her husband,
if
Richard Wydeville had been her brother, this would be correct. )
It is entirely news to me that Richard Wydeville has any known relations.
Are his ancestors known at all? I would love to know. (It's the first gap
one comes upon in the ancestry of James I, or Charles II for that matter.)
John Yohalem
ench...@herodotus.com
"Opera depends on the happy fiction that feeling can be sustained over
impossibly long stretches of time." -- Joseph Kerman
ED MANN
>
> Michelle.Murphy%EIH...@ccmail.team400.ie wrote
> Ed Mann wrote:
>
> 2 Sir John Pashley b: 1407 d: 8 Jun 1453 ref #:
> F110:7
> +Elizabeth Wydeville d: 8 Jun 1453
>
> Is this Elizabeth any relation to Richard Wydeville, husband to Jacquetta
> Dowager Duchess of Bedford? Richard would have lived at exactly the same
> time
> (assuming Elizabeth was a little younger than Sir John Pashley, her husband,
> if
> Richard Wydeville had been her brother, this would be correct. )
>
> It is entirely news to me that Richard Wydeville has any known relations.
> Are his ancestors known at all? I would love to know. (It's the first gap
> one comes upon in the ancestry of James I, or Charles II for that matter.)
AFAIK, inter alia:
Direct Descendants of Robert I de Normandy
1 Count Robert I de Normandy aka: "The Devil" b: Abt. 1000 d: 22 Jul
1035 ref #: Ä121E-22
+Harlette de Falaise aka: Herleve de Falaise b: Abt. 1003 ref #:
(Ä121-23)
2 King William I of England aka: "William the Conqueror" b: 1027 d: 9
Sep 1087 ref #: Ä121-24
+Maud de Flanders aka: Matilda de Flanders b: 1032 d: 3 Nov 1083
ref #: Ä162-23
3 [3] King Henry I of England aka: "Beauclerc" b: 1068 d: 1 Dec 1135
ref #: Ä121-25
4 Sir Robert de Caen aka: Earl of Gloucester b: Abt. 1090 d: 31 Oct
1147 ref #: Ä124-26
+Maud FitzHamon b: Abt. 1090 d: 1157 ref #: (Ä63-26)
5 Maud de Caen aka: Maud FitzRobert b: Abt. 1120 d: 29 Jul 1189 ref
#: Ä125-27
+Sir Ranulph de Guernon aka: 2d Earl of Chester b: Abt. 1100 d: 16
Dec 1153 ref #: Ä132A-27
6 Sir Hugh de Kevelioc aka: 3d Earl of Chester b: 1147 d: 30 Jun 1181
ref #: Ä125-28
+Bertrade de Montfort b: Abt. 1155 d: 1227 ref #: (Ä125-28)
7 Agnes of Chester aka: Agnes de Meschines b: Abt. 1174 d: 2 Nov 1247
ref #: Ä127-29
+Sir William de Ferrers aka: 6th Earl of Derby d: 22 Sep 1247 ref
#: Ä194-7
8 [2] Sir William de Ferrers aka: 5th Earl of Derby b: Abt. 1193 d:
24 Mar 1253/54 ref #: Ä127-30
+Sybil Marshal d: Bef. 1238 ref #: W149-2
9 [1] Maud de Ferrers aka: Matilda de Ferrers b: Abt. 1230 d: 12 Mar
1298/99 ref #: W149-3
*2nd Husband of [1] Maud de Ferrers:
+William de Forz d: Bef. 22 May 1259 ref #: W59A-3
10 [7] Cicely de Viviona b: 1257 d: 10 Jan 1319/20 ref #: W149-4
+[6] John de Beauchamp b: Abt. 1248 d: 24 Oct 1283 ref #: BxP:33
11 Sir John de Beauchamp aka: 1st Baron Beauchamp of Hatch b: 27 Jul
1274 d: Aft. 1 Jan 1336/37 ref #: W149-5
+Joan Chenduit b: Abt. 1279 d: 9 Feb 1326/27
12 William de Beauchamp b: Abt. 1302 ref #: W149-6
13 Mary Beauchamp b: Abt. 1365 ref #: W149-7
+John Bodulgate b: Abt. 1314 ref #: BxP:584
14 Elizabeth (Joan) Bodulgate b: Abt. 1390 d: Aft. 17 Jul 1448 ref
#: W149-8
+Sir Richard de Wydeville b: Abt. 1385 d: Aft. 29 Nov 1441 ref #:
BxP:584
15 Sir Richard Wydeville aka: 1st Earl Rivers K.G. b: Abt. 1405 d:
1469 ref #: BxP:584
2 [4] Adelaide de Normandy aka: Adelaide de Aumale b: Abt. 1030 d:
Bef. 1090 ref #: Ä130-24
+Enguerrand II de Ponthieu d: 1053 ref #: (Ä130-24)
*2nd Husband of [4] Adelaide de Normandy:
+Count Lambert de Boulogne aka: Lambert de Lens b: Abt. 1022 d:
1054 ref #: Ä148-22
3 Judith de Lens b: 1054 d: Aft. 1086 ref #: Ä98A-23
+Sir Waltheof II de Huntingdon aka: Earl of Huntington b: 1045 d:
31 May 1076 ref #: (Ä130-25)
4 Alice de Huntingdon aka: Judith de Huntingdon b: Abt. 1076 ref #:
Ä148A-24
+Ralph de Toeni II d: Abt. 1126 ref #: BxP:122
5 Roger de Toeni II b: Abt. 1104 d: Abt. 1161 ref #: Ä98A-25
+Ida de Hainault b: Abt. 1108 ref #: (Ä98A-25)
6 Godeheut de Toeni aka: Godehold de Toeni d: Bef. 1186 ref #:
Ä163A-27
+William de Mohun b: Bef. 1143 d: 1176 ref #: Ä143-26
7 William de Mohun b: Abt. 1156 d: Oct 1193 ref #: Ä143-26A
+Lucy d: Aft. 1200
8 Sir Reynold de Mohun aka: Earl of Somerset b: Bef. 1184 d: 1213 ref
#: Ä143-27
+Alice de Briwere d: Aft. 1232 ref #: (Ä246B-28)
9 [8] Sir Reynold de Mohun b: Abt. 1206 d: 20 Jan 1257/58 ref #:
Ä143-28
+Hawise FitzGeoffrey d: Bef. 1244 ref #: Ä246B-28
10 [5] Alice de Mohun d: Bef. 1285 ref #: Ä246B-29
*2nd Husband of [5] Alice de Mohun:
+Robert V de Beauchamp b: Abt. 1223 d: Bef. 1266 ref #:
(Ä246B-29)
11 [6] John de Beauchamp b: Abt. 1248 d: 24 Oct 1283 ref #: BxP:33
+[7] Cicely de Viviona b: 1257 d: 10 Jan 1319/20 ref #: W149-4
Benjamin Hertzel
John,
> It is entirely news to me that Richard Wydeville has any known relations.
> Are his ancestors known at all? I would love to know. (It's the first gap
> one comes upon in the ancestry of James I, or Charles II for that matter.)
A few years ago, I wrote the County of Northamptonshire, and they sent me
a fairly scant family tree, as follows:
William de Wydeville married Emma. Their son was
Hugh de Wydeville. He had two sons:
Robert (died 1206) and William. William had four grandsons:
Walter, William, Thomas, and Richard. Walter's son was
John Wydeville. John married Alice, daughter of Henry de Passenham.
Their son was
John Wydeville. His son was
Richard Wydeville (died 1378). Richard married Elizabeth, daughter of
John Lyons and Alice de St. Liz. Elizabeth was born ca. 1324.
Richard and Elizabeth had at least four children: John, Thomas,
Elizabeth and Margaret.
Margaret married William Hawe [I think this could be Hawte, as later
Wydevilles married into the Hawte family].
Thomas married (1st) Elizabeth and had a son, Thomas. He married
(2nd) Alice, and had four more children: Thomas, Catherine, Agnes and
Elizabeth.
John had two sons: Thomas and Richard (1385 - 1442).
Richard (1385 - 1442) married Joan Bodulgate. Their children were:
Richard, Edward, Joan and Elizabeth.
Elizabeth (died 1453) married John Pashley (1407 - 1453) and they had
at least one son (John, 1432 - 1468).
Joan (born 1404) married Sir William Hawte (born 1390) and they had
at least two children: Richard (1348 - 1487, who married Elizabeth
Tyrell) and Elizabeth.
Edward died 1488, and,
Richard (1405 - 1469) married Jacquetta Zu St. Pol (1416 - 1472).
I know it's not much, sorry.
Benjamin
Richard Borthwick
what I have got:
1 Richard WYDEVILLE, E Rivers KG PC. Died 12 Aug 1469. Buried in
Pontefract, Wales.
[ES VI:28; CP XI:19-22]
He married Before 23 Mar 1436/1437.
2 Richard WYDEVILLE, of Grafton. Died About Dec 1441.
[CP XI:17-19]
3 Joan BITTLESGATE.
[CP XI:19, XIV:549]
4 John de WYDEVILLE, of Grafton. Died 1399/1401.
[CP XI:16]
He married Before 1379.
5 Isabel GODARD. Died After Aug 1401.
[CP XI:16, XIV:549]
6 Thomas BITTLESGATE, of Knighteston, Dev. Died 1388/1391.
[CP XI:19, XIV:549]
7 Joan BEAUCHAMP. Died 1381/1388.
[CP XI:19, XIV:549]
8 Sir Richard WYDEVILLE, of Grafton. Born About 1310. Died After Jul 1378.
[CP XI:15-16]
9 NN.
NN and not Elizabeth Lyons (Richard's second wife) was the mother of John.
[CP XI:16]
14 Sir John BEAUCHAMP, of Lillesdon. Died After 1396.
[CP XI:19, XIV:549]
Reedpcgen
Hansen and Neil Thompson in an article published in the _Coat of Arms_. A more
thorough discussion will appear in a more detailed article to appear in _The
Genealogist_.
pcr