Francois de Bourbon, Duc d'Estouteville
Alex Polenov
Branch of Bourbonnes? From what person it started? Can I retriev genealogy
of d'Estoutevilles?
Alex
Frank Johansen
Alex Polenov wrote:
Jacques, Comte de la Marche et de Ponthieu (1319-1362), m. 1335 Jeanne de
Chatillon-sur-Marne, heiress of Leuze, Conde, Carency, etc. (1320-1371)
I
Jean, Comte de la Marche, de Vendome et de Castres (1344-1393), m. 1364
Catherine, Comtesse de Vendome et de Castres (-1412)
I
Louis, Comte de Vendome (1376-1446), m.(2) 1424 Jeanne de Laval (1406-1468)
I
Jean, Comte de Vendome (1428-1478), m. 1454 Isabelle de Beauvau, Dame de la
Roche-sur-Yon (1436-1475)
I
Francois de Bourbon, Comte de Vendome, de St.Pol, de Marle, de Soissons et de
Conversano (1470-1495), m. 1487 Marie de Luxembourg, Comtesse de St.Pol (-1547)
I
Francois de Bourbon, Comte de St.Pol et de Chaumont, Duc d'Estouteville
(1491-1545), m. 1535 Adrienne, Duchesse d'Estouteville (1512-1560)
I I
I I
Francois II, Duc d'Estouteville, Comte I
de St.Pol et de Chaumont (1536-1546) I
I
(His sister:) I
Marie, Duchesse de Estouteville (1539-1601)
m.(1) 1557 Jean de Bourbon, Comte de Soissons et d'Enghien, Duc d'Estouteville
(1528-1557)
m.(2) 1561-1561 Franz of Kleve, Duc de Nevers (-1562)
m.(3) Leonor d'Orleans, Duc de Longueville (-1573)
I
I
Henri I, Duc de Longueville et d'Estouteville (1568-1595), m. 1588 Catherine
Gonzaga of Mantova (1568-1629)
I
Henri II, Duc de Longueville et d'Estouteville, Prince de Neufchatel (1595-1663),
m.(2) 1642 Anne Genevieve de Bourbon-Conde, Mademoiselle de Bourbon (1619-1679(
I
Jean Louis, Duc de Longueville et d'Estouteville, Prince de Neufchatel
(1646-1694)
The family died of with Jean Louis. I don't know who would have inherited the
claim to his titles....
Regards
Frank H. Johansen
frank.j...@hm.telia.no
Alex Polenov
to Bourbones and then to Longuevilles. But who own this title before? Who was
a farther of Adrienne d'Estouteville?
Alex.
Leo van de Pas
Can you tell us how many volumes (of the over twenty)
volumes of Europaische Stammtafeln (edited by Schwennicke)
do you have?
I thought so.....
Sometimes titles were upgraded and I think that is what happened to
Adrienne d'Estouteville.
1.Adrienne d'Estouteville, Duchesse d'Estouteville
born 21 October 1512, died 15 December 1560 Trie
2.Jean III d'Estouteville, Sire d'Estouteville, Vicomte
de Roncheville
born 1483, died 11 September 1517 Rouen
married 1509
3.Jacqueline d'Estouteville
Dame d'Hambye, de Moyon, de Briquebec et de Gasse
died 10 August 1550 Chateau de Briquebec
4.Jacques d'Estouteville, Sire d'Estouteville
born 4 December 1448 Pommereux-en-Anjou
died 12 Marchg 1490 Valmont
marriage contract 1 March 1480
5.Louise d'Albret
died 8 September 1494
6.Guyon d'Estouteville
Sire de Moyon, Briquebec et de Gace
died 31 August 1512/1513
married circa 1480
7.Isabeau de Croy
Dame de Bar-sur-Aube et de Florennes
died circa 1523
Sources :
Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europaischen Staaten
by W.K. Prinz von Isenburg
Cahiers de Saint Louis
Histoire et Genealogie Maison de Croy
by Georges Martin
Europaische Stammtafeln (Schwennicke)
Hope this helps
Leo van de Pas
MTaHT
family is scarce to me and pieced together from various and
conflicting references of questionable validity and without
access to ES data, but with supposition.
Perhaps someone can augment or correct any errors in the
following:
The sires d'Estouteville of Normandie:
13. ESTOUTEVILLE, Robert 1, b. 1040?, d. 1080
with William the Conqueror in 1066.
m. TALBOT, Jeanne [Hugues, descendant of ct.d'Eu]
|
12. ESTOUTEVILLE, Robert 2, b. 1072, d. 1118
m. RIEUX, Blanche [Quesnoc]
|
11. ESTOUTEVILLE, Nicolas, b. 1110?, d. 20 Apr 1173
m. THOROTTE, Julianne [Gautier/Mathilde ROULIERS]
|
10. ESTOUTEVILLE, Robert 3 sgr.Valmont-, b.1140?
m. REMMES, Leonnelle, d. 13 Jul 1214 [Erard/Marg.LANNERY]
|
9. ESTOUTEVILLE, Henry, b.1180?
m. EU, Mathilde, d. 1212 [Jean-Henry/Alix AUBIGNY]
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8. ESTOUTEVILLE, Jean 1, b.1210?
m. PONTHIEU, Agnes [Jean 1/Beatrix ST.POL]
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7. ESTOUTEVILLE, Robert 4, b.1240?
m. BERTRAND-BRICQUEBEC, Jeanne, d.1304[Robert 6/Ide NESLE]
|
6. ESTOUTEVILLE, Estout,b.1270? (this generation is questioned)
m. MEULLANT-BEAUMONT, Alix [Amaury 3/Marguerite NEUFBOURG]
|
5. ESTOUTEVILLE, Jean 2 grand-bouteiller de France, b.1300?
|-------------------------------------------------
4. ESTOUTEVILLE, Louis, b.1335? |
| Guillaume, bishop of Paris,d.1483
3. ESTOUTEVILLE, Michel, b.1370?
|-----------------------------------------------------
2. ESTOUTEVILLE, Jacques, 1400?-1489 |
| |
1. ESTOUTEVILLE, Jean 3 |
m. ESTOUTEVILLE, Jacqueline [Guyon, brother of #2]
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Adrienne m. Francois de Bourbon, duc d'Estouteville
The seigneurs de Torcy were another branch of this
Estouteville line, origin circa 1200.
Jean III was the last sire d'Estouteville in this line.
His only child ,Adrienne, inherited and brought the
title to Francois de Bourbon-Vendome and his progeny.
[] = [dad/mom of person to the left]
? = date is a guess for research purposes, only.
Best wishes,
Mike Talbot
MTaHT
I still have many doubts about earlier generations in my semi-simultaneous
post on this same subject.
Mike
Francois R. Velde
>Marie, Duchesse de Estouteville (1539-1601)
>m.(1) 1557 Jean de Bourbon, Comte de Soissons et d'Enghien, Duc d'Estouteville
>(1528-1557)
>m.(2) 1561-1561 Franz of Kleve, Duc de Nevers (-1562)
>m.(3) Leonor d'Orleans, Duc de Longueville (-1573)
Note that this was an illegitimate branch of the Valois-Orleans family.
> [...]
>Jean Louis, Duc de Longueville et d'Estouteville, Prince de Neufchatel
>(1646-1694)
>
>The family died of with Jean Louis. I don't know who would have inherited the
>claim to his titles....
Longueville became extinct with him in 1694. Estouteville and Neufchatel passed
to his sister Marie, wife of Charles-Ame de Savoie, last duc de Nemours; at her
death in 1707, Neufchatel was claimed by a lot of people: claimants on the
Longueville side (the duchess of Lesdiguieres, the duc de Villeroy, the comte de
Goyon-Matignon, the prince de Carignan), claims from heirs to the Chalons family
who were the overlords of Neufchatel (the marquis de Nesle, the comte de
Barbansoj-Duprat, the marquis d'Alegre). Also, the prince de Conti claimed to
be the heir by virtue of Jean-Louis's testament. In the end, the Estates of
Neufchatel ruled in favor of the king of Prussia as heir of the Nassau-Orange
family (itself claiming to be heir of the Chalons family). It was briefly held
by Marechal Berthier under Napoleon as a principality. Estouteville passed to
Jacques de Goyon-Matignon, comte de Thorigny (grandson of Leonore
d'Orleans-Estouteville), and to his son who became prince of Monaco. It became
theoretically extinct in 1949 at the death of Louis II of Monaco, applying the
edict of 1711 on the transmission of duchies.
--
François Velde
ve...@nospam.org (replace by "heraldica")
Heraldry Site: http://www.heraldica.org/
Alex Polenov
Huizinga and Shakespeare books. And I don't know what is
Europaische Stammtafeln. Looks like this is a great edition
of genealogies of european families.
The problem is bigger. I regular visited the Book House and
many of bookinist shops in St. Petersburg from 1990 and
I still can't found any books related to european genealogies
(only one I found - it describe genealogies of russian princes).
This is a case why I ask too many stupid questions to the list
without checking of correct names of person and families. I
have no any source at hand. Another problem is that genealogy
is my hobby and I have no any contacts with Univiersities.
sincerely,
Alex.
Alex Polenov
Leo van de Pas
when someone asks a question: if anyone takes the time to answer, that
person should try to 'satisfy the question', of course, with a mention of
sources. Not tell them in which book it can be found---and nothing else. I
can quite believe that in Russia genealogical books have a very low
priority as they do in Australia.
Tomorrow I intend to phone the State Reference Library here and ask whether
they have Europaische Stammtafeln---I doubt it.
Alex can you tell me in which countries and which period you are interested.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Leo van de Pas
Leo van de Pas
>Thanks. In what time they became dukes?
>
This is not easy to answer. Adrienne d'Estouteville, as heiress was
created Duchess d'Estouteville in August 1534.
Then, 9 February 1535, she marries Francois de Bourbon, and
he, on 27 July 1537 is also created Duke d'Estouteville.
Francois dies 1 September 1545, and their son becomes
Francois II de Bourbon 3rd Duc d'Estouteville, but he dies
aged only ten in 1546. Then his sister Marie becomes 4th Duchess
d'Estouteville but their mother is still alive until 1560. And so these two
Ducal creations, 1534 and 1537,
should they be seen as two separate titles? I think so, this has been done
in England with the Dukes of Hamilton, but I still don't understand the
numbering of these Dukes d'Estouteville. 1.Duchess Adrienne, 2.Duke
Francois I,
3.Duke Francois II and 4.Duchess Marie.
By the Dukes of Hamilton the husband was Duke of Hamilton for life and by a
separate creation, and he does not figure in the numbers of those Dukes.
Who has better knowledge about French titles and can explain this? I think
Alex has touched on a very interesting problem. Mr. Settipani can you explain?
Many thanks
Leo van de Pas
Alex Polenov
Second - France of 16 century (period of italian and huguenots wars
and Henry IV of France).
Third - period if 1st, 2nd and 3rd crusaders, probably 1096-1204
Dear Leo!
My knowledges about those periods based on popular works of W. Scott,
Shakespear, Dumas, M. Druon, Henry Mann etc. I fan of their heroes and
have interest in theirs real life, real families and genealogies.
sincerely,
Alex.