Line from the Greenes of Rhode Island

[Leo van de Pas via]

One line I hope can be substantiated. The first three generations can also be found in the Complete Peerage Volume X pages 193-195, and in the same volume Appendix J page 113, 114.

Aubrey de Vere, Great Chamberlain of King Henry I
married Adelise de Clare
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Sir Robert de Vere
married (I) NN (Matilda de Furnel, daughter of Robert)
married (2) Margaret de Clare
| by 1st wife
Henry de Vere
married Hildeberga
he is mentioned as ancestor of the de Veres of Drayton
|
Sir Walter (de Vere) de Drayton, crusader who changed the name to Drayton
married Lucia Barret
|
Sir Henry de Drayton
married Isabella de Bourdon
|
Sir Baldwin de Drayton
married Idonea de Gemages
|
Sir John de Drayton
married Philippa de Ardene
|
Katherine de Drayton
married Sir Henry Greene

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If this line is correct, Katherine descends from Hugues Capet king of France, Rollo duke of Normandy - Heinrich the Fowler emperor elect - Charlemagne - Charles Martel

Katherine de Drayton has many interesting/important descendants

Regicides John Hutchinson - John Lisle - George Fleetwood

Presidents Franklin Delano Roosevelt - George H and George W Bush

Gateways
Capt George Popham - Katherine Nevill - Francis Champernoun - Mary Jephson - Mary Fulford - Hon Anne Arundell - Mary Frances Hinton - Elizabeth Poole - William Poole - Maria Johanna Somerset - Bridget Lisle - Anne Skipwith - Thomas Owsley - Edward Hyde - Nicholas Spencer - John Hinton - Mary Launce - Lord Charles Montagu - Catherine Maria Long - John Jones - John Yates

Can anyone confirm this line or point out the errors?

With many thanks
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia

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[Hal Bradley via]

Leo,

There is an intervening generation between Katherine de Drayton and John de
Drayton. Katherine's parents were Simon de Drayton & Margaret de Lindsey. CP
12 (2): 943 identifies Katherine's father as Simon de Drayton. VCH Northants
3:237 notes that Simon de Drayton settled Drayton Manor on his wife
Margaret, daughter of Sir John Lindsey, in 1331-2 [Cal. Inq. Edw. III, x,
nos. 369, 446]. J.W. Linzee's "The Lindeseie and Limesi Families of Great
Britain (Boston, Massachusetts: The Fort Hill Press, 1917.) provides
additional info on the Lindsey family though Linzee asserts that Margaret is
the daughter of Gilbert de Lindsey, omitting John de Lindsey. However, his
argument is primarily chronological. The confusion is due to the fact that
John de Lindsey died v.p., and thus, Margaret is identified as an heiress to
Gilbert, who was in fact her grandfather.

Simon de Drayton died in 1357 and his wife Margaret in 1358.

Cheers,

Hal Bradley

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On Sunday, September 7, 2014 4:02:06 PM UTC-7, Hal Bradley via wrote:
> Leo,
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>
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> There is an intervening generation between Katherine de Drayton and John de
>
> Drayton. Katherine's parents were Simon de Drayton & Margaret de Lindsey. CP
>
> 12 (2): 943 identifies Katherine's father as Simon de Drayton. VCH Northants
>
> 3:237 notes that Simon de Drayton settled Drayton Manor on his wife
>
> Margaret, daughter of Sir John Lindsey, in 1331-2 [Cal. Inq. Edw. III, x,
>
> nos. 369, 446]. J.W. Linzee's "The Lindeseie and Limesi Families of Great
>
> Britain (Boston, Massachusetts: The Fort Hill Press, 1917.) provides
>
> additional info on the Lindsey family though Linzee asserts that Margaret is
>
> the daughter of Gilbert de Lindsey, omitting John de Lindsey. However, his
>
> argument is primarily chronological. The confusion is due to the fact that
>
> John de Lindsey died v.p., and thus, Margaret is identified as an heiress to
>
> Gilbert, who was in fact her grandfather.
>
>
>
> Simon de Drayton died in 1357 and his wife Margaret in 1358.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Hal Bradley
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>
>

There may be afew more corrections to the Draytons as Leo has shown them. R. E. Chester Waters, in his "Chester of Chicheley", has a lengthy pedigree of the Draytons of Drayton and Botolph Bridge. He says that Simon de Drayton was the son of John Drayton by his 2nd wife Alice NN and not by his first wife Philippa de Arderne. He also does not give the surname of Simon Drayton's wife Katherine, but says that their son John married Christian, daughter of Gilbert de Lindsay of Molesworth, Huntingdonshire. An interesting coincidence - or an error?

The ODNB bio of Sir Henry Green[e] the Chief Justice says that Katherine Drayton was his second wife and the mother of his son Sir Henry Greene (for whom see HOP 1386-1421). His elder son Thomas (ancestor of the sequence of Thomas Greenes of Greene's Norton) is said to be the son of Sir Henry's first wife Amabilia NN. I haven't been able to confirm this elsewhere yet, but it seems to make sense since the manor of Drayton passed to the younger son Henry rather than the older son Thomas.

[CE Wood]

And from _Early Lincoln Wills_, p. 47:

"HENRY GRENE, of Bucketon, knight. Friday, Feast of St. Margaret Virg., 1369. [fo. 84.]
To be buried in Bucketon parish church, the day after my decease.
Some of the Friars of one of the four orders of Friars at Northampton to be at Bucketon on the day of my burial, and such order to have xls.
Ad fabricam campanil', & ecclesie de Bucketon, xl11.
x marcs for the repair of Brampton bridge.
Richard de Bollesore, xx11.
To each bailiff in my manors, xxs.
To each servant (famulus), vjs. viijd.
Bequests to Lavenden Abbey, the nuns of Sewardesle, and other religious houses.
Masses for my soul, and the souls of my parents and benefactors.
Executors :-- Richard de Bollesore & Robert de Isham.
Supervisors :-- John Pyel, Nicholas Grene, John Holt, and Wm. Thirnyng.

Memorandum that Testator on the day of making his will had in money cccclx11. and no more, & that he then made division & distributed to divers persons all his goods, save those bequeathed by the will.

28 Nov. 1405.
Licence for an oratory to Sir Thomas Grene of Norton Dany knt. & Mary his wife, fa Thomas their son. [Repingdon.]

11 Jan.1412.
Letters dimiss. to William Grene of Legburne clerk.

22 Oct., 1431.
Marriage dispensation to Wm. Gemeys of Cherfeld and Agnes Eueded als Grene dau. of John Eueded of Cherfeld. [Gray fo. 106.J

7 Dec. 1434.
Process against Thomas Grene of Norton by Toucestr' knight for clandestine marriage with Marnia Belers co'matre sua in the private chapel within the house of Ric. Knyghtley at ffawesley, in the presence of Ric. Knyghtley and his wife, John Catesby and his younger son, Wm. Belers, Everard Dygby, James Swetenham, fa Thomas Rothwell. [Gray.]"

The Feast of Margaret the Virgin-Martyr, known as Margaret of Antioch. is July 20. In 1369, that was a Friday, thus confirming the date of the will.


CE Wood