Inquiry: Fulnetby of Fulnetby, Reresby of Thribergh
Jon B
Greetings,
I was hoping that someone on the mailing list with more experience than myself knew of any contemporary research that had been done regarding these families and specifically Thomas Reresby d. 1542/3 of Thribergh who was supposed to have married a daughter of John Fulnetby.
The will of Thomas Reresby names his wife Margaret and gives a black gown to "my nephewe John Fulnebie". The will also names his eldest surviving son and heir "Lyon" (Lionel), amongst other children. Will made 1543 Proved 20 Feb. 1543
The next reference I've found thus far calls Thomas Reresby's wife "... daughter of John Fulnetby" and lists a marriage settlement
dated 8 Aug. 1507
The will of Leonard Reresby, Clerk, makes "Margaret Reresby, wedowe, in the countie of Darbye, and my brother Lyon Reresby....
my executors of all my lands..." The editors in a footnote say, "Younger son of Thomas Reresby, of Thribergh,
co. York, and .... Fulnetby."
Chronologically for a wife of Thomas Reresby to be both daughter and aunt of a John Fulnetby, she would have to be sister of
the Godfrey Fulnetby that married Elizabeth Goodricke, making her daughter of John Fulnetby, probably by a daughter of Lionel
Dymoke. Whose forename name I haven't been able to find with any certainty. G.B. Roberts in the latest edition
of Royal descents calls her Jane, I believe. This Godfrey Fulnetby is listed as a witness of the will Sir Leonis/Lionel Dymoke proved 28 Nov. 1519
who would be his and their grandfather under this scenario. I looked at the Stirnet database and they also show this as the possible
parentage of the wife of Thomas Reresby at the moment.
As always, I would appreciate any advice the group may have to offer.
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married a Jane Dymoke as his second wife. See the Visitation of
Suffolk 1561, p. 35. John does not leave a will (that I've found).
It is likely he had daughters in additional to his male heir. Godfrey
Fulnetby does leave a will and perhaps he mentions your ancestor. The
Fulnetby family has a pedigree in Maddison's Lincolnshire Pedigrees,
Vol. 1 as well as the Visitation of Lincoln, but no daughters appear
from the second marriage, only the two eldest daughters from the first
marriage since they end up being heiresses to an uncle that d.s.p.
fft2001
been correctly drawn.
Linc.Ped. cited, says that this unnamed Dymoke wife of John Fulnetby,
was "dau and co-heiress" of her father "Sir Lionel Dymoke"
While Vis Suff 1561 says she was "sister of Sir Robert Dymoke".
Odd statements.
Robert died in 1546, he had an heir, and three daughters besides that.
Lionel himself had three co-heiresses per Burke's commoners, none of
them names Jane, none of them married to a Fulnetby.
And if we consider that her *grandson* had a *will* dated 1544, it's
apparent that she is not likely to be in this generation at all.
Robert was "aged 9" in 1470 when his father Thomas Dymoke of
Scrivelsby was beheaded.
Someone has gotten something screwed around here.
I *suppose* it might be possible that Sir Lionel had two wives, and
Jane was the only daughter by the first marriage. The chronology is
pretty darn tight however, and I don't like that solution. Burke's
commoners doesn't mention a Jane in this line anywhere.
Maybe someone can track down some reference to an "age" for Godfrey or
Geoffrey Fulnetby or his wife who is given in Linc.Ped. as Elizabeth
Goodricke, daughter of William and yet living 1540 when he made his
will.
Will Johnson
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In order for the pieces to fit together, we now need to place
Katherine in the Fulnetby family, close enough to Thomas Goodrich so
that their connection would have been known. The best candidate for
her father would be John Fulnetby, born ca. 1455, died between 30
August 1523 and 3 November 1528, the father of Godfrey Fulnetby who
married Elizabeth Goodrich. John Fulnetby was married twice: first to
Elizabeth Eland, daughter of John Eland, and second to a woman
variously described as “dau. and hr. of Sir Lionel Dymoke,”[ ] “da.
and coheir to Sir Lionel Dymoke, Kt.,”[ ] “Joane, the daughter of Sr.
Leonell Dymock,”[ ] “Jane, sis. of Sir Robert Dymoke [brother of
Lionel],”[ ] and “Jane, sister to Sr. Lionell Dimock, of Scrilby, in
com. Lincolne.”[ ] That Godfrey was not a child of his father’s first
marriage seems proved by the 1522 inquisition post mortem of Elizabeth
(Eland) Fulnetby’s brother, Robert Eland, who died without issue.[ ]
As a result, his two Fulnetby nieces became coheiresses of John Eland.
Had Godfrey been the child of the Fulnetby-Eland marriage, he would,
himself, have been John Eland’s ultimate heir. Godfrey Fulnetby,
therefore, was certainly the child of his father’s second marriage,
quite likely — as all visitation pedigrees concur — to a Dymoke, and
presumably to one closely related to Sir Lionel Dymoke (whose 1512
will Godfrey Fulnetby witnessed).[ ] But how? Chronology makes it
practically impossible for Godfrey to have been Sir Lionel’s grandson.
And furthermore, if he had been, his mother would have been a Dymoke
co-heiress — and thus his son, Christopher Fulnetby, who in 1561
quartered the arms of the obscure Towers family,[ ] would have been
entitled to quarter the far prouder arms of Dymoke (but didn’t). The
assertion that Godfrey Fulnetby was Sir Lionel Dymoke’s grandson
cannot, therefore, be believed. Yet I found it difficult to believe
that such a statement — in a visitation pedigree for which the
information was provided by a near descendant — was a complete
fabrication. I thought it rather more likely that John Fulnetby’s
second wife, though not a daughter, was some other close relative to
Sir Lionel Dymoke, perhaps a sister.
Fortunately, Christopher Fulnetby of Glemsford, Suffolk, son of
Godfrey Fulnetby and grandson of the presumptive Dymoke wife, stated
in a visitation that his grandmother was “Jane, sister of Sir Robert
Dymoke” (and thus also of Sir Lionel); an assertion which seems both
better informed (he knows her name, which the informant for
Lincolnshire does not) and perfectly in harmony with the best-
established chronology.[ ] I have therefore concluded that the
applicable section of the 1562–64 Visitation of Lincoln is merely an
innocent garbling of the plausible account given by the 1561
Visitation of Suffolk; and, with two married and fertile brothers,
Jane Dymoke would not have been an heiress, but instead a sister who
married a relatively obscure man and was subsequently omitted from the
family pedigrees.
The [] are where the footnotes go. The entire article is at New
England Historical & Genealogical Register 161 (2007):27-36
Jon B
An interesting solution, Thank you for taking the time to post Marshall's article. I think this solution certainly makes more sense than trying to make Jane Dymoke a daughter of Sir Lionel Dymoke. I've laid out this possibility with what dates I do know and the chronology seems to fit perfectly and would explain the discrepancies that were identified in Will's post. It explains the major problem I had, which was Godfrey Fulnetby being old enough to be a witness to the will of Sir Lionel Dymoke dated 15 April 1512 and proved 10 Oct 1519. If Lionel was a second son and his brother Robert was the elder son born about 1461, Sir Lionel could have been no more than say 58 years old at his death and probably less. For him to have a grandson old enough to witness his will seems unlikely, but for him to have a nephew of the appropriate age seems quite possible, even likely.
I neglected last time to post a link to the Reresby pedigree in Vis. York where Thomas Reresby's mother is called "Margaret.... doughter of Fulneby of Fulneby". I will post the link below. It would seem this Margaret Fulnetby was named in honor of her grandmother Margaret Welles. If Margaret Fulnetby's mother was Jane Dymoke it would seem she was also named in honor of her grandmothers, both being Joan, the names Jane and Joan being somewhat interchangeable during this timeframe, if I'm not mistaken.
http://books.google.com/books?id=pjMEAAAAIAAJ&dq=Fulnethy&lr=&client=safari&pg=PA263#v=onepage&q=Fulnethy&f=false
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