William Sandes d. 26 Oct 1496/1497 Sherborne St. John, Hampshire, England = Margaret Rawson (Heiress)

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Dear List,

I am starting my research on my 19th Great Grand father and his wife as shown in the heading and would enjoy knowing if any others on this list has the same line and have information to share. Here is what i have found to date... within the last few days:

I descend from their son, Oliver Sandes:

Knighted at the Battle of Martin Swarthe, 1487


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William Sandes d. 26 Oct 1496/1497 Sherborne St. John, Hampshire, England:

Magna Britannia Antiqua & Nova: Staffordshire - Warwickshire
By Thomas Cox, Anthony Hall, Robert Morden
Page 764
http://books.google.com/books?id=zpRJAAAAMAAJ&dq=%22oliver%20sands%22&pg=PA764#v=onepage&q=%22sands%22&f=false
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The will of Sir. William Sandys
Sir. William Sandys, the elder, 17th October 9 Henry VII, 1493. I will that William, my son, and Margaret, my wife, pay all my depts out of my goods at Andover and at the Vine; I will that Richard, my son, have all my purchased lands.
Proved: 8th April 1497

William Sandes of Furness fells, Married Margaret Rawson, daughter and heir to William Rawson of Co. York. West states that his wife was also cousin and heiress to Thomas Rawlinson, Abbot of Furness, 1440-46.

H Visitations: Cumb 1615, Worcest. 1569, Canbridge 1575 and 1623., Surrey 1530, 1572 and 1623, Gloster 1623, Wilts and Dorset 1623, Kent 1619, Bucks 1634 Bp.S.Ped.


On 26 March, 1536, Harry Huttoft, a Southampton customs official, when writing to Cromwell about charges to be levied on goods at the port, stated that there was much talk there about the suppression of religious houses, adding, with the assurance that was characteristic of most of Cromwell's friends and tools, 'Let me be a suitor for one, viz. the house of Mottisfont, where there is a good friend of mine with as good a master and convent as is in the country. If none are to be reserved, but all must pass one way, please to let me have it towards my poor living.' (fn. 3) The house was actually surrendered on 22 May following. (fn. 4)
Huttoft did not however succeed in getting his longed-for share of the monastic plunder, for. Mottisfont fell to the lot of a much more influential person, William, Lord Sandys, K.G., the king's chamberlain. The grant, dated 14 July, 1536, conferred on him and Lady Margery, his wife, the site and the whole of the possessions and advowsons of the late priory. (fn. 5)
Cant. Archiep. Reg., Peckham, ff. 290b, 230.

From: 'Houses of Austin canons: Priory of Mottisfont', A History of the County of Hampshire: Volume 2 (1973), pp. 172-75. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.asp?compid=38107. Date accessed: 23 June 2007.
From: 'Houses of Austin canons: Priory of Mottisfont', A History of the County of Hampshire: Volume 2 (1973), pp. 172-75. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.asp?compid=38107. Date accessed: 23 June 2007.

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Margaret Rawson (Heiress):

Heiress to both her father William, and her cousin Thomas Rawson abbot of Furness 1440 -1446.

The line as I have pieced together with notes:

[1] Sir. William Sandys / Sands,son of Sir. John del Sandes [Notes:of Furness.
H Visitations: Bucks 1634, Wilts and dorset 1623. dfndt in suit at Lancaster, 1401, and had pardon 1403, this John being the son of: Sir.Robert del Sandes being noted in:H Visitations: Cumb 1615, Surrey 1530, 1572 and 1623, Worcester 1569, Camb 1575 and 1619, Kent 1619, Gloscest 1623, Bucks 1634, Wilts and Dorset 1623. Surety for John del Sands and for Thomas Maweson in 1401.
[1] Willaim having married: = Margaret Rawson, (Heiress)da of William Rawson, Yorkshire,
[2]Oliver Sandys / Sands = Joane //
[3] Jane Sands, haveing been noted here:H~ Visitations: Cumb 1615,Wilts and Dorset 1623,Surrey 1530, 1572, 1623,Sussex 1530, and 1633-4,V~ Cumb & Westmor p.116 this [3] Jane did marry = Robert Henry [?] Wintershall this Robert having been noticed here: V. Wilts P.57 and The four visitations of Bershire made and taken by Thomas Benolte ..., Volume 2 By Thomas Benolt, William Harvey, Henry Chitting, John Philipot, William Camden, Elias Ashmole, Sir Edward Bysshe, College of Arms (Great Britain)Page 234
http://books.google.com/books?id=NcFCAAAAYAAJ&dq=surrey%20Wintershall&pg=PA234#v=onepage&q=surrey%20Wintershall&f=false
[4] John Wintershall = Joan Humpfrey
[5] Richard Wintershall =
[6] Richard Wintershall of Little Stoke, Oxfordshire, England = Elizabeth Stoner
of Northstocke, Oxfordshire, England
[7] Mary Wintershall b. 1519,Bentley, Hampshire, England? Some sources show a birth place of Hampshire England.
My research shows She may have been born in the area of Little Stoke, in Oxfordshire, England = Henry Freeman ? Edmund Freeman, birth/christening 1529 England,Father: Henry Freeman,Mother: Mary Wintershall. This part of the line is giving me troubles. Some sources in my feeble search:
Freeman genealogy, By Daniel Freeman, Page 10
http://books.google.com/books?id=HH5MAAAAMAAJ&dq=surrey%20Wintershall&pg=PA10#v=onepage&q=surrey%20Wintershall&f=false

The visitation of London: anno Domini 1633, 1634, and 1635. Made ..., Volume 1
By Henry St. George, Sir Henry Saint-George, Sir Richard Saint-George, College of Arms (Great Britain)
Page 295
http://books.google.com/books?id=h6wKAAAAYAAJ&dq=Frebodye&pg=PA295#v=onepage&q=Frebodye&f=false

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I welcome any criticisms or help. respectfully,

Michael D. Allen - Warner
Sligo, Ireland
North Idaho, USA

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Further Notes:

The Ancestor, Issue 3, Page 85
Pedigree.
http://books.google.com/books?id=vyMWAAAAYAAJ&dq=William%20Sandes&pg=PA85#v=onepage&q=William%20Sandes&f=false


History of the Families of Skeet, Somerscales, Widdrington, Wilby, Murray ...
By Francis John Angus Skeet. Page 19
This pedigree claims that Oliver Sandys had a wife names Joan as shown in [3] of my first post while not noting a da.... but this omission does not in fact rule a daughter out in my opinion.
http://books.google.com/books?id=LC46AQAAMAAJ&dq=Oliver%20Sandes&pg=PA19#v=onepage&q=Oliver%20Sandes&f=false

A Supplement to the Four Volumes of The Peerage of England: Containing a ...
By Arthur Collins page 566
Sandvs Lord Sandys
THE Family of Sandys or Sandes of Omberjley in the County of Worcester was more anciently seated at St Bees in Cumberland as appears by a Certificate given by Hervey Cla renceux King of Arms to Edwin Sandys Bilhop of Worcejler and after Archbishop of York and by him laid before the Privy Council in a Dispute between him and Sir John Bourne High Steward of the Church of IVorceJler and a Beneficiary there In 1 Rich II 1377 b Richard del Sandes and Robert Mou bray Chevalier were returned Knights of the Shire for Cumberland and 28 1 were levied by the Sheriff for their Expences in attending 70 Days in Parliament at Wejlminjler In 14 Rich II c Thomas del Sandes and William de Stapleton served in Parliament as Knights of the Shire for Cumberland and had 14 1 8 s for 36 Days Attendance at Wejlminjler In 18 Rich II they d were again returned Knights for Cumberland and had the like Sum for their Expences in attending 36 Days In the next Reign was c Robert Sandes of St Bees in Cumberland who had Issue f John Sandes of Furnes Fells in Com Pal Lane the 8 Father of William Sandes and of Margaret the Wife of Richard Bray Esq The said William b had Issue William Sandes who married Margaret Daughter and Heir of William Raw on of the County of Tori This William Sandes writes himself of EJlwaite Fur nese in the County of Lancaster in his last Will and Testae ment which bears Date 23 April 1 548 3 Edw VI And by the Preamble he appears to be a Protestant his Words are Considering the Uncertainty of my Life I commit my Soul in to the Custody and Hand of our Saviour Jesus Christ trust ing surely that through the Sprinkling of his Blood I shall be Partaker of the Inheritage prepared for the Faithful The rest of his Will shews him to be a Person of sound Reasoning and Judgment and he made an equal Disposition of his Estate among his Children which as therein appears were George Sandes who died in his Life time and left a Son Roger Sandes to whom he bequeathed Half of Watjsde Park &c Which George was slain at Muselborough Fidd in Battle against the Scots and in some Pedigrees is erroneously said to be the Fa Sandts Lord Sandys 565 ther of Archbishop Sandes but by several Authorities and bjr this Will it is certain he was Brother to the said Archbishop
To his Son Christopher he left his Estate at Graithwaite in Lancashire with other Lands after the Death of his Mother He died without Issue Male leaving only two Daughters
To William his Son jointly with his Brother Christopher he bequeaths his Lease of Hawkjhead Church and three Bloom Smiddyes with all the Ore which he had in Mitheland and Low Furnese paying to Miles and Anthony his Sons and their Brothers a hundred Pounds ---> This William died without Issue<---- [see below]
He further wills to his said Sons Miles and Anthony equally and jointly all his Rights in Loufon Park Parkamore and the one Half of Watside Park also divers other Lands and Leases to William and Christopher before mentioned and Legacies to his Daughter Anne and to his Grand aughters Agnes Margaret and Elizabeth Daughters of George Sandes After which follows:...

This narration leaves out a son Oliver!! Can you see my issue that their may be a break in the line as shown in my first post?


http://books.google.com/books?id=4DUVAAAAQAAJ&dq=William%20Sandes&pg=PA565#v=onepage&q=William%20Sandes&f=false
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A topographical history of Surrey, by E.W. Brayley assisted by J. Britton ...
By Edward Wedlake Brayley, John Britton, Page 85.
Pedigree noting Oliver Sandys.
http://books.google.com/books?id=9bYHAAAAQAAJ&dq=Oliver%20Sandes&pg=PA85#v=onepage&q=Oliver%20Sandes&f=false
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I may have posted this but if not, here it is:
History of the Families of Skeet, Somerscales, Widdrington, Wilby, Murray ...
By Francis John Angus Skeet, Page 19
Pedigree of Sandys noting Oliver Sandys and his wife Joan.

This pedigree shows the daughter that married Robert Wintershall as the da. of [3]" Sir. William Sands of Littell Patenshann" had issue: [4]"Jane ux Robert Wintersell of Wintersell in Surrey" This William [2] being the son of: "George Sands of Furnes Fells in com Lanck" this George being the son of [1]Robert Sands of St. Bees in Cumberland"
This pedigree is shown here:
http://books.google.com/books?id=LC46AQAAMAAJ&dq=Oliver%20Sandes&pg=PA17#v=onepage&q=Oliver%20Sandes&f=false

Pedigree with Oliver:
http://books.google.com/books?id=LC46AQAAMAAJ&dq=Oliver%20Sandes&pg=PA19#v=onepage&q=Oliver%20Sandes&f=false
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The peerage of England. 3 vols. [in 4. Sig. N6,7 of vol. 1, 3B1 of vol. 2 ...
By Arthur Collins. Starting on page 356 I find this:

THE Family of Sandys or Sandes of Omberjley in the County of Worcester was more anciently seated at St Bees in Cumberland as appears by a Certificate given by Hervey Clarenceux King of Arms to Edwin Sandys Bilhop of Worcejler and after Archbishop of York and by him laid before the Privy Council in a Dispute between him and Sir John Bourne High Steward of the Church of IVorceJler and a Beneficiary there In 1 Rich II 1377 b Richard del Sandes and Robert Mou bray Chevalier were returned Knights of the Shire for Cumberland and 28 1 were levied by the Sheriff for their Expences in attending 70 Days in Parliament at Wejlminjler In 14 Rich II c Thomas del Sandes and William de Stapleton served in Parliament as Knights of the Shire for Cumberland and had 14 1 8 s for 36 Days Attendance at Wejlminjler In 18 Rich II they d were again returned Knights for Cumberland and had the like Sum for their Expences in attending 36 Days In the next Reign was c Robert Sandes of St Bees in Cumberland who had Issue f John Sandes of Furnes Fells in Com Pal Lane the 8 Father of William Sandes and of Margaret the Wife of Richard Bray Esq The said William b had Issue William Sandes who married Margaret Daughter and Heir of William Raw on of the County of Tori This William Sandes writes himself of EJlwaite Fur nese in the County of Lancaster in his last Will and Testae ment which bears Date 23 April 1 548 3 Edw VI And by the Preamble he appears to be a Protestant his Words are Considering the Uncertainty of my Life I commit my Soul in to the Custody and Hand of our Saviour Jesus Christ trust ing surely that through the Sprinkling of his Blood I shall be Partaker of the Inheritage prepared for the Faithful The rest of his Will shews him to be a Person of sound Reasoning and Judgment and he made an equal Disposition of his Estate among his Children which as therein appears were George Sandes who died in his Life time and left a Son Roger Sandes to whom he bequeathed Half of Watjsde Park &c Which George was slain at Muselborough Fidd in Battle against the Scots and in some Pedigrees is erroneously said to be the Father of Archbishop Sandes but by several Authorities and bjr this Will it is certain he was Brother to the said Archbishop To his Son Christopher he left his Estate at Graithwaite in Lancashire with other Lands after the Death of his Mother He died without Issue Male leaving only two Daughters To William his Son jointly with his Brother Christopher he bequeaths his Lease of Hawkjhead Church and three Bloom Smiddyes with all the Ore which he had in Mitheland and Low Furnese paying to Miles and Anthony his Sons and their Brothers a hundred Pounds ---->This William died without Issue<---- WHERE does Oliver fit in if William died w/o issue?

http://books.google.com/books?id=4DUVAAAAQAAJ&dq=William%20Sandes&pg=PA566#v=onepage&q=William%20Sandes&f=false
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For Jane Sandys I have the following:

H~ Visitations: Cumb 1615,
Wilts and Dorset 1623,
Surrey 1530, 1572, 1623,
Sussex 1530, and 1633-4
V~ Cumb & Westmor p.116

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The Antiquities of Furness: Illustrated with Engravings, By Thomas West, William Close Page 321
This also claims that Oliver died without issue:

To return to William Sandys who married Margaret the cousin and heir of abbot Rawlinson he had issue three sons first George Sandys who married daughter of Curwen by Sir Robert Atkinscalled Curwen of whom principally hereafter
2 William Sandys of Little Petenhow in Surry and
3 Oliver Sandys of Sherin in the county of Surry who died without issue William Sandys the second son had John Sandys of Marlow in the county of Bucksi who died without issue and Anne married to Sir Richard Weston knt under treasurer of England.

Where does Oliver Sandys fit in....as the husband of Jane Sandys as noted below?

V~ Visitations: Cumb 1615,PTCH Vol: VII; Page 19 shows him as the son of William Sandys and Margaret Rawson, da. of William.

V~ Wilts and Dorset 1623,?? I have this note in my files but after further research I can not find a link.

V~ Surrey 1530,Link noted on Page 32. 1562 ??, 1623 ??,

v~ Sussex 1530, and 1633-4, Page 16, "Jane da. of Oliver married Wintersull"[With arms tricked for the wife of Oliver, Joan]

V~ Cumb & Westmor p.116 Another pedigree states that Joan wife of Robert Wintersell was the da. of Oliver Sandys.

[V~ = Visitation]

The History of The family of Sandys by E.S. Sandys, published 1930 on page placed Joan Sandys as the wife of Robert Wintersall, being the da. of Sir. William Sandys, brother of Oliver Sandys, in pedigrees A. along with siblings: Julian, Allee,[Alice?] William, Robert and John. This work seems to be well researched.

BUT, I have yet to be able to find primary documents for the link from William to Joan who married Wintersall.

This is all I have for now.

MDAW
2014
Ireland
USA

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V~ Berk Vol 2 page 234, Harl. Soc. Vol. 57. Notes Henry Wintersell of Sutton Co. Berks, married Joan da. of William Sandys of Buckinghamshire. Dated 19 Aug. 1907.

Harl. Soc. Vol 58, V~ Bucks, page 108, no notice of said union. States William Sandys was of London.

Harl. Soc Vol. 17, V~ London, Part 2, Page 227, Oliver Sandys had issue, this issue named. Joan not named. Page 228, Joan not named.


More later as my research progresses.

MDAW
2014
Ireland
USA