To keep this on topic, does said baron fit into matrix of european royal
families? Can anyone run back his roots cc 1500-1000.
Dave
His von Rosen family (there is more than one) can be traced back to the
1500s in Estonia. His line was ennobled in Sweden in 1746 (introduced
1752) and the Baronial title was granted in 1772 (introduced 1776). See
Gustaf Elgenstierna, *Den introducerade Svenska Adelns Ättartavlor*, vol.
VI [1931], pp. 412-432. Baron Otto Karl Robert von Rosen (b. 1884) appears
on p. 416, at the bottom of the first column.
While I can show some relationships from him into the Swedish nobility, I
can't (easily) find any Royal connections for him.
Further discussion on his ancestry might be better directed to the
GEN-ROYAL mailing list, also at rootsweb.com.
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Ceterum censeo DSH delendam esse.
William Addams Reitwiesner
wr...@erols.com
Just to chose things, there are two distinct Rosen families - both of which were in Estonia. The red and
the white - unless I am mistaken, Otto Karl was a white rose. The transition of the family to Sweden
comes from the Sweden time in Estonia, whihc ended with the Great Northern War.
The Rosens are just your bog standard baltic german familys, not connected to the royals expect for "um
Ecken". They are not Stenbocks, Baranovs or Zoege Manteuffels
There full family tree to about the 1920s is within the Adels Handbuch fuer Estland. I have not
photocopied the relevant pages, yet, but need to as in the late medieval era I have many Rosens in my
tree.
yours
Bernard Schulmann
Lillooet BC
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> Subject: Re: Baron Otto Karl von Rosen
> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 00:13:24 GMT
> From: reitw...@stop.mail-abuse.org (William Addams Reitwiesner)
> To: GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com
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No. Neither colour of the Rosens.
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> Subject: Re: Baron Otto Karl von Rosen
> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 04:13:41 +0100
> From: "D. Spencer Hines" <D._Spence...@aya.yale.edu>
> To: GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com
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