Help with the royal and noble ancestry of George Home/Hume of Virginia (1698 - 1760)

[Daniel Maxwell]

Hello list,

I have been going though my tree and trying to improve it with better
sources and dates, and one of the most troublesome is the vast
ancestry of George Home (1698 - 1760), of the Wedderburn Homes,
Jacobite rebel and later surveyor in Virginia.
His royal ancestry I am not calling into doubt, it seems to be one of
the most solid of any American colonist, its the details of his
mother's side of the family where I have encountered problems and
conflicts. It is also this side of the family that he gets his
descent from James V of Scotland. His parents are Sir George Home and
Margaret Home, daughter of a Patrick Home and a Jean Dalmahoy. Its
with Patrick that I find most of the problems.

One of the more prominent websites with George Home's large tree is
the following:

http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hume/tree/1349.htm

You see here he calls this Patrick Home 1st Baronet of Lumsden.

But wikipedia (usually pretty good with royal genealogy) on the page
for his father, says that the FIRST Patrick Home was Baronet of
Lumsden, not the Patrick, son of Margaret Stewart.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Home,_Lord_Renton

But then I notice that on the wikipedia page for the various Home
Baronets, it lists a different Patrick Home as Baronet of Lumdane with
the right dates, instead of Lumsden:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Baronets

Unfortunately, ThePeerage website does not go far enough to cover this
generation.

There is another problem with Patrick Home's wife Jean. Look at the
birth/death date and then look at the birth dates of her children.
Shes born after her own daughter!:

http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hume/tree/25197.htm

This one guy with obviously wrong dates wouldnt be a problem except
that basically everyone else on the web cites the same information.

So I wonder if maybe this guy (whom everyone else seems to copy from)
just has his Patrick Homes mixed up (the Baronets of Lumsden and
Lumdane) ? But they sound like they are the same thing (Lumsden <-->
Lumdane) And then there is the obvious problem with Jean's
'birthdate'.

I could use some help with this line if someone else here has
straightened it out. Right now it doesnt make sense.

Thanks All,

Daniel J Maxwell

[Alex Maxwell Findlater]

Most of the pedigree can be found under “Dunbar, Home, Earl of” in the
Scots Peerage.

Alexander Home of Manderston had a younger son Patrick, who married
Janet daughter and heiress of David Ellem of Renton.

His son Alexander Home of Renton married Margaret Cockburn and had Sir
John Home of Renton (ca1602 - 1671) Lord Justice Clerk and Lord of
Session as Lord Renton.

Sir John was married twice, firstly to Janet daughter of Sir George
Home of Manderston (MC 15 Feb 1624) and secondly to Margaret daughter
of John Stewart, Commendator of Coldingham, son of Francis the
disgraced earl of Bothwell. It seems that Janet Home was the mother
of his legitimate children.

Sir John and Janet Home had Sir Alexander Home 1st Bart of Renton, Sir
Patrick Home 1st Bart of Lumsden, and Mr Charles who is mentioned on
28 Nov 1674. He also had a bastard Mr Henry Home, Commissary of
Lauder. Mr Henry was the father of George and grandfather of Henry
Home, Lord Kames, the celebrated jurist and philosopher.

Sir Alexander had issue as did Sir Patrick, who married twice, firstly
to Margaret Baird on 20 April 1676 at St Giles Edinburgh. His second
wife was Jean daughter of Sir William Dalmahoy of Ravelrig, who is
said to be the Jean who was baptized 19 April 1688 at the Canongate
Kirk, Edinburgh. If this is so she was a trophy wife!

Sir Patrick had by Margaret Baird Sir John Home of Lumsden, baptized 6
Aug 1679, St Giles, and Margaret who married Sir George Home 3rd Bart
of Wedderburn. These were the parents of the Virginian, George Home,
born apparently 30 May 1697 (not 1698.)

[Daniel Maxwell]

Hi, thanks for posting that, but that information seems to contradict
everything that has been written about George Home's lineage. I
notice that some other trees say that his first wife died without
giving Lord Renton male issue.

(btw, I think the birth date thing is just a dual year thing, so his
DOB is probably 1697-8)

Daniel

[Wjhonson]

Daniel that's because most people with this person in their trees, doesn't cite their sources, and in fact has no sources except someone else's amateur tree.

All you need is one bad apple fifteen years ago to write up some bad connection, and now a thousand people have that replicated.
That's why you should never ever ever ever ever ever use an online amateur tree as a source for anything :)
Never.

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Hi, thanks for posting that, but that information seems to contradict

verything that has been written about George Home's lineage. I

otice that some other trees say that his first wife died without

iving Lord Renton male issue.
(btw, I think the birth date thing is just a dual year thing, so his

OB is probably 1697-8)
Daniel

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http://archive.org/stream/cu31924092524408#page/n393/mode/2up

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Sent: Fri, Apr 20, 2012 11:50 am
Subject: Re: Help with the royal and noble ancestry of George Home/Hume of Virginia (1698 - 1760)

Most of the pedigree can be found under “Dunbar, Home, Earl of” in the

cots Peerage.
Alexander Home of Manderston had a younger son Patrick, who married

anet daughter and heiress of David Ellem of Renton.
His son Alexander Home of Renton married Margaret Cockburn and had Sir

ohn Home of Renton (ca1602 - 1671) Lord Justice Clerk and Lord of

ession as Lord Renton.
Sir John was married twice, firstly to Janet daughter of Sir George

ome of Manderston (MC 15 Feb 1624) and secondly to Margaret daughter

f John Stewart, Commendator of Coldingham, son of Francis the

isgraced earl of Bothwell. It seems that Janet Home was the mother

f his legitimate children.
Sir John and Janet Home had Sir Alexander Home 1st Bart of Renton, Sir

atrick Home 1st Bart of Lumsden, and Mr Charles who is mentioned on

8 Nov 1674. He also had a bastard Mr Henry Home, Commissary of

auder. Mr Henry was the father of George and grandfather of Henry

ome, Lord Kames, the celebrated jurist and philosopher.
Sir Alexander had issue as did Sir Patrick, who married twice, firstly

o Margaret Baird on 20 April 1676 at St Giles Edinburgh. His second

ife was Jean daughter of Sir William Dalmahoy of Ravelrig, who is

aid to be the Jean who was baptized 19 April 1688 at the Canongate

irk, Edinburgh. If this is so she was a trophy wife!
Sir Patrick had by Margaret Baird Sir John Home of Lumsden, baptized 6

ug 1679, St Giles, and Margaret who married Sir George Home 3rd Bart

f Wedderburn. These were the parents of the Virginian, George Home,

orn apparently 30 May 1697 (not 1698.)

[Doug]

You can also look at RD 600, vol. I, p 40.

Doug Smith

[Alex Maxwell Findlater]

It seems that Margaret Baird died after Sir Patrick, as she was suing
the estate factor in 1741-44 (NAS search) and her Testament dative was
registered 16/01/1747, when she was described as DAME MARGARET BAIRD,
RELICT OF SIR PATRICK HOME, OF RENTOUN, ADVOCATE. This would suggest
that Sir Patrick did not marry Jean Dalmahoy - I have found no record
of the marriage, although that is far from conclusive! The
alternative is that she was his first wife, married only briefly and
not the mother of his heir. Although he was not strictly of Renton,
if he was acting a Tutor to his nephew, he would probably have adopted
the 'senior' name.