Sir Michael de Harcla of Hartley in Westmorland
Tim Cartmell
I am trying to find information on the early origins of the de Harcla family of Hartley in Westmorland, and was hoping that someone may be able to provide further insight.
The following information is what I have found regarding Sir Michael de Harcla of Hartley, the father of Sir Andrew de Harcla, earl of Carlisle.
"Michael de Harcla was the Deputy Sheriff of Westmorland in 1276 & 1277; was the Sheriff of Cumberland 1285-1298; was the MP for Westmorland in 1301." Source, CWAAS, 'An Armorial for Westmorland and Lonsdale,' published 1975, pg. 147.
"Was the Governor of Carlise in 1296; was Justice of the Peace in 1300; was appointed a commissioner to perambulate the forests of the counties of Nottingham, Cumberland and Yorkshire, in the reign of Edward I, and in 1307 he petitioned the King for reasonable allowance for the ravages and burnings of the Scots while he was Sheriff; he died in or before 1311, his executors being Henri and Michael de Harcla, his sons, and Patrick de Curwenne, his nephew [Curwen family of Workington]." Source, Transactions, CWAAS, New Series, Vol. 1929, 'Sir Andrew de Harcla', pg. 99. See also, 'History of the Ancient House of Curwen,' by JF Curwen, published 1928, pg. 45.
The aforementioned Patrick de Curwenne, Knt. (of Drigg in Cumberland) is recorded as being nephew to Michael de Harcla, and cousin to his son, Sir Andrew de Harcla; the balance of probabilities suggest that either Michael de Harcla's wife was a Curwen of Workington, or Sir Gilbert (Patrick’s father) de Culwen's wife was a de Harcla of Hartley. In the book, 'Thomas Denton: Perambulation of Cumberland in 1687-1688', pg. 159, Denton stated that, "Threapland [in Torpenhow Plumland] was at first given by Alane, the 2nd lord of this barony [Allerdale], unto the steward Ketellus; from whose discendant it came to Michaell Hercla, father of Andrew, earle of Carlisle in Edward the 1st's time."
My specific queries to anyone who may have knowledge regarding the de Harcla family,
1). Who was the father of Michael de Harcla?
2). Who was the wife of Sir Michael de Harcla?
3). Who was the steward Ketellus, was he Ketel fitzEldred of Kendal & Workington? What was Ketel the steward of......Allerdale, or Kendal, or ???
Any comments would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Timothy J. Cartmell
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Matthew Connolly
[snip]
> 2). Who was the wife of Sir Michael de Harcla?
According to the ODNB entry for Andrew:
"Harclay [Harcla], Andrew, earl of Carlisle (c.1270-1323), soldier,
was probably the eldest son of Sir Michael Harclay (d. before 1309), a
tenant and servant of the Cliffords who later entered the service of
the crown, acting as sheriff of Cumberland (1285-98), and of Joan,
daughter of William Fitzjohn, a Yorkshire landowner, and brother of
the theologian Henry Harclay. The family name derived from Hartley in
Westmorland. "
And for Henry, although less informative:
"Harclay [Herkeley], Henry (c.1270-1317), theologian, was the son of
Sir Michael Harclay, a long-serving sheriff of Cumberland, who died
before 1309, and brother of Andrew Harclay, first earl of Carlisle (d.
1323). The family name was derived from Hartley in Westmorland."
I'd also be interested to know more about the William Fitzjohn of
Yorkshire they mention.
-Matthew
paju...@bellsouth.net
the Viponts.
“Richard le Franceis, son of Gilbert, son of Philip, who in 1257 had a grant of free warren in
Westmoreland and Cumberland, who was the son of John le Fraunceys to whom Robert de Vipont had
confirmed the whole of Mauld’s Meaburn, married a daughter of Michael de Harcla. In 1278, the king
seised the lands of Michael de Harcla until it shall appear by what right and title Richard le Fraunceis son
and heir of Gilbert le Fraunceis married the daughter of Michael de Harcla, being then the king’s ward.”
The History and Antiquities of the Counties of Westmoreland and Cumberland Joseph Nicholson and
Richard Burns.
“Parish of Kirkby Stephen (Hartley) The manor for a long time continued in the name of Hardclay. In the
fisrt year of the reign of king Edward the first, there was a dispute concerning the manor of Dalston I
Cumberland, between Michael de Harclay knight (father of ..Sir Andrew) plaintiff and the bishop of Carlisle
defendant; wherein the plaintiff derived his descent from Hervicius who was seized of the said manor of
Dalston in the reign of king Henry the first [1100-35] who was succeeded by his brother Robert, who was
succeeded by another brother Walter, who had a son Michael who had a son Walter who had a son
Michael who had a son William who had a son Michael the present plaintiff. In 1212, John de Harclay was
witness to Robert de Veteriponte’s grant to Shap Abbey. which John seems to have been a collateral and
not direct course of primogeniture. In like manner, to a grant of lands and wood in Brampton, by Walter de
Moreville to the said Robert de Veteriponte, one of the witnesses was John de Harclay. In the reign of
Henry the third, the grant of the advowson of the rectory of Kirkby Thore, by Adam de Kirkby Thore to the
said Robert de Vipont was attested by Michael e Hardcaly. In the 14 Ed. I [1286] in the partition of the
inheritance between the two daughters of the last Robert de V. mention is made of Michael de Hardclay
holding the manor of Hardclay (Hartley) and Smerdale. In 1322, Andrew e Harcla was created earl of
Carlisle but attained and executed, his possessions forfeited to Nevill of Raby who sold Hartley to Sir
Thomas Musgrave.” The History and Antiquities of the Counties of Westmoreland and Cumberland. “In
1288 Nicholas de Hastings, was killed by Richard le Fraunceys [husband of a daughter of Michael de
HarclaWilliam de Harcla(Hartley), Robert de Appleby and John le Fraunceys. Found guilty of deed or as a
accomplice, many were fined and Bertin de Joneby acted as surety for Walter de Caudebek; the jury also
finding that William de Harcla (Hartley) was harboured by his father Michael de Harcla, sheriff, and John
le Fraunceys by Adam le Fraunceys, rector of Asby, after the felony but the jury deciding they were not
guilty of complicity. However, the Hasting family continued and Nicholas de Stapelton was ordered to hold
an inquisition and the prosecution continued. William de Querton (Kirketon), Adam le Fraunceys, Michael
de Harcla, Hugh de Lowther sureties for the accused. (CWAAS)
In 1288 Robert de Vipont, son of Lawrence who married an Eda, “acknowledged the manor of
Meaburnwald to be the right of Richard le Fraunceys, a quit claim to which Michael de Harcla was
witness.( Harrison’s History of Yorkshire) In 1291 Michael de Harcla held knights fees in Hartley of
Isabella de Vipont (Clifford) (CWAAS)
Hope this is helpful.
Pat
> From: Tim Cartmell <inve...@yahoo.ca>
> Date: 2007/03/22 Thu PM 03:10:49 EDT
> To: GEN-ME...@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Sir Michael de Harcla of Hartley in Westmorland
>
> Dear SGM Listers,
>
> I am trying to find information on the early origins of the de Harcla family of Hartley in Westmorland, and
was hoping that someone may be able to provide further insight.
>
> The following information is what I have found regarding Sir Michael de Harcla of Hartley, the father of
Sir Andrew de Harcla, earl of Carlisle.
>
> "Michael de Harcla was the Deputy Sheriff of Westmorland in 1276 & 1277; was the Sheriff of
Cumberland 1285-1298; was the MP for Westmorland in 1301." Source, CWAAS, 'An Armorial for
Westmorland and Lonsdale,' published 1975, pg. 147.
>
> "Was the Governor of Carlise in 1296; was Justice of the Peace in 1300; was appointed a
commissioner to perambulate the forests of the counties of Nottingham, Cumberland and Yorkshire, in
the reign of Edward I, and in 1307 he petitioned the King for reasonable allowance for the ravages and
burnings of the Scots while he was Sheriff; he died in or before 1311, his executors being Henri and
Michael de Harcla, his sons, and Patrick de Curwenne, his nephew [Curwen family of Workington]."
Source, Transactions, CWAAS, New Series, Vol. 1929, 'Sir Andrew de Harcla', pg. 99. See also, 'History of
the Ancient House of Curwen,' by JF Curwen, published 1928, pg. 45.
>
> The aforementioned Patrick de Curwenne, Knt. (of Drigg in Cumberland) is recorded as being nephew
to Michael de Harcla, and cousin to his son, Sir Andrew de Harcla; the balance of probabilities suggest
1687-1688', pg. 159, Denton stated that, "Threapland [in Torpenhow Plumland] was at first given by Alane,
the 2nd lord of this barony [Allerdale], unto the steward Ketellus; from whose discendant it came to
Michaell Hercla, father of Andrew, earle of Carlisle in Edward the 1st's time."
>
> My specific queries to anyone who may have knowledge regarding the de Harcla family,
>
> 1). Who was the father of Michael de Harcla?
>
>
the steward of......Allerdale, or Kendal, or ???
>
> Any comments would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Timothy J. Cartmell
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Matthew Connolly
> I have a bit of information on the Harcla (Hartley) family since the name is often found in association with
> the Viponts.
> "Richard le Franceis, son of Gilbert, son of Philip, who in 1257 had a grant of free warren in
> Westmoreland and Cumberland, who was the son of John le Fraunceys to whom Robert de Vipont had
> confirmed the whole of Mauld's Meaburn, married a daughter of Michael de Harcla. In 1278, the king
> seised the lands of Michael de Harcla until it shall appear by what right and title Richard le Fraunceis son
> and heir of Gilbert le Fraunceis married the daughter of Michael de Harcla, being then the king's ward."
> The History and Antiquities of the Counties of Westmoreland and Cumberland Joseph Nicholson and
> Richard Burns.
The Richard le Franceis who married the Harcla daughter (Isabel) was
the one also known as Vernon, and was progenitor of the subsequent
Vernons of Haddon; I have him down as son of Gilbert (who married
Hawise de Vernon), son of Adam, son of Hugh, who was perhaps son of
another Adam (c.1200), in turn perhaps son of Robert (c.1180). I'll
dig out the exact reference over the weekend, but it's the CWAAS
Transactions again (a long article on the family, and a later
corrigendum).
Tim Cartmell
Thank you for your responses, that was a great deal of help.
Regarding the family of Sir Michael de Harcla, the Transactions, CWAAS article, "Sir Andrew de Harcla, earl of Carlisle," states that Andrew had at least five brothers;
1). William "who in 1278 is mentioned as son and heir to Michael, who served under Robert de Clifford in Edward 1st army at Falkirk in 1298. In 1286 he had been tried but acquitted of complicity in the murder of Nicholas de Hastings, the only one condemed being the man who shot the fatal arrow."
2). Sir John "who was a soldier like his brother Andrew and closely associated with him. He was deputy sheriff to him at one time, a knight bachelor in 1300 and died in 1322 leaving a widow Ermerade and a son and heir Andrew aged 3 years."
3). Michael "who was summoned as Magister Michael de Harcla (that is a cleric with a university degree) to the parliament of York on Nov. 14, 1322, "appointed thereto by the Bishop of Carlisle as one of his Procurators to appear on his behalf." In 1321 he was one of the Commissioners appointed to treat for peace with Bruce, but on his brother Andrew's arrest he fell under the King's suspicion and his goods were ordered seised on Feb. 1, 1323."
4). Sir James de Harcla and Henri his brother "both of whom died before August 6, 1324. "James de Harcla (who later became a knight) with Sir John de Harcla, Richard de Hoddelstone, Patrick de Culwenne, and 50 men-at-arms, were keeping the Castle of Carlisle in Nov. 1316 (during Sir Andrew's captivity) while Sir Robert de Leybourne (Andrew's brother-in-law) is keeping the town."
5). "Henri was a clerk in the holy orders; he was instituted Rector of Dacre in 1296, but was non-resident, a vicar being appointed with salary."
There were also at least two sisters;
6). Isabel "who married Richard le Fraunces also named de Vernon."
7). Sarah "wife and widow of the oft-mentioned Sir Robert de Leybourne of Cunswick in Westmorland, who was, among other things, "Admiral of the Fleet on the Western sea of Scotland", and died in 1327 or 1328. It was Sarah who was empowered to collect the remains of Sir Andrew and commit them to "ecclesiastical sepulture," five years after his death." Source, Transactions, CWAAS, New Series, Vol. 1929, article, Sir Andrew de Harcla, Earl of Carlisle, pgs. 99-101.
Sir Robert de Leybourne was also MP for Westmorland in 1315, and appointed the Governor of Egremont Castle in 1322, but was stripped of the position a year later. Sarah and Robert de Leybourne had a daughter Eleanor whom married Sir William de Laval, Knt. (of the Seaton Delavals).
Sarah supposedly was first married to Thomas de Musgrave of Musgrave in Westmorland, and had by him Sir Thomas de Musgrave, Knt. (? 1st Lord Musgrave, summoned to parliament in 1350) of Hartley in Westmorland whom married Margaret de Ros of Yolton in Yorkshire.
Can anyone confirm if Sarah de Harcla was indeed the mother of Sir Thomas de Musgrave of Hartley in Westmorland?
Matthew Connolly
wrote:
Trans. Cumberland & Westmorland A & AS New Series vol XII (1912) for
Rev FW Ragg's long article 'Maud's Meaburn and Newby: de Veteripont,
le Franceys and de Vernon'; chart p.393 summarises as I stated above
but with Gilbert as son of John le Fraunceys, baron of exchequer (d.
1267). Trans CWAAS NS XVI 167-8 corrects this to make Gilbert son of
Adam (and nephew of John) in light of a recently rediscovered deed.
Matthew Connolly
[snip]
> Sarah supposedly was first married to Thomas de Musgrave of Musgrave in Westmorland, and had by him Sir Thomas de Musgrave, Knt. (? 1st Lord Musgrave, summoned to parliament in 1350) of Hartley in Westmorland whom married Margaret de Ros of Yolton in Yorkshire.
>
> Can anyone confirm if Sarah de Harcla was indeed the mother of Sir Thomas de Musgrave of Hartley in Westmorland?
>
I think that this is supported by The Complete Peerage, sub Musgrave
of Hartley; but don't have a note of their source for it. I suspect
you may have already looked there anyway!
paju...@bellsouth.net
I searched archives for the lengthy discussion the list had in 2003 concerning Harcla. I believe you noted that there was not a Phillip. Have you concluded that Gilbert was the son of John (as appears below)?
I have an interest in the Harcla-Hartley family in two avenues of research. First, what is the very real connection between Harcla and Vipont and secondly, what connection is there in the family Harcla-Hartley and the ancient family of Hartley in Lancashire?
Maude de Morville, wife of William Vipont, appears to have granted her son Ivo much of her inheritance. Ivo's children were,Robert, Lawrence, Nicholas, Joan and Jania. Ivo's heirs are difficult to discern. Nevertheless, in descent sources confirm a continues relationship with the Cliffords, Staplitons, Musgraves, Lancasters, Blencow, Penreth, Daubeney and Harcla among others.
In 1243 Joan Vipont, daughter of Ivo sued John le Fraunceys concerning trespass in Meaburn. in 1247
Robert de V. son of Ivo and grandson of Maud de Morville granted the manor of Mauld’s Meaburn to John le Fraunceys, son of Hugh that he hold to him and his heirs, rendering yearly for all services one pound of cumin (This payment was to Ivo; But there were other services. John le Fraunceys granted that Johan, daughter of Ivo should retain lands and tenements granted by her father,(The History and Antiquities of the Counties of Westmoreland and Cumberland.. )
In 1277/8 Lawrence de V. , brother to Robert, brought an assize of mort d’ ancestor against Gilbert le Fraunceys [dead], son of John, claiming that he had wrongfully entered on possession of one messuage, 97 acres of land and 20 acres meadow and the moiety of a mill in Maulds Meaburn. (Ragg). Who might the ancestor have been? Ivo had married Sybil ? and Isabel de Lancastre. I do not have a marriage for his son Robert but, Nicholas married his cousin Annabella Vipont and Lawrence married an Eda.
In 1288, Robert, son and heir of Lawrence de Veteripont...have quit claimed for me and my heirs to Sir Richard Fraunceys...whole right and claim which I had or in any way could have inn the manor of Meaburn Mauld....so that neither I nor my heirs nor any one in our name can for the future have or seek for any right or claim in any part of the same manor with its belongings. Wits: (among others)Michael de Harcla, Robert de Morvylle, Hugh de Louthir, Henry de Stavely. Wynandeswath. (“Mauld’s Meaburn, and Le Fraunceys and de Hastings”.)
Ca, 1301 Idoine de Leyburn [Idonea de V. ii], as coheir of Robert de Vipont, Lord of Westmoreland (and cousin to the line of Ivo), had as her ward, Thomas de Musgrave, son of Richard de Musgrave [d. by 1301] and his wife Christian. This Thomas, of age by 1307, when he was a commissioner to send men to Carlisle. He married ca. 1301 before he was of age, Sarah, sister to Sir Andrew de Harcla of Hartley Castle, Earl of Carlisle who died 1314. Sarah m. 2) Robert de Leyburn, sheriff of Lancashire in 1322 and 1326. CP IX.
The Vipont-Musgrave connection remained well into the 17th c. The Musgraves of Johnby Hall obtained the manor through the heiress of Stapelton of Edenhall (Margaret Vipont). William Musgrave died at Johnby in 1609.
Although the 2003 discussion seemed to dismiss the marriage of Richard le Fraunceys Vernon to Margaret Vipont, Is it not possible that there is a Vipont marriage in all this?
Thank you for your observations,
Pat
> From: "Matthew Connolly" <mvernon...@yahoo.co.uk>
> Date: 2007/03/26 Mon AM 03:21:28 EDT> To: gen-me...@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: Sir Michael de Harcla of Hartley in Westmorland>
> On Mar 24, 12:43 am, "Matthew Connolly" <mvernonconno...@yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
> > On Mar 23, 6:42 pm, <pajun...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >
> > > I have a bit of information on the Harcla (Hartley) family since the name is often found in association with
> > > the Viponts.
> > > "Richard le Franceis, son of Gilbert, son of Philip, who in 1257 had a grant of free warren in
> > > Westmoreland and Cumberland, who was the son of John le Fraunceys to whom Robert de Vipont had
> > > confirmed the whole of Mauld's Meaburn, married a daughter of Michael de Harcla. In 1278, the king
> > > seised the lands of Michael de Harcla until it shall appear by what right and title Richard le Fraunceis son
> > > and heir of Gilbert le Fraunceis married the daughter of Michael de Harcla, being then the king's ward."
> > > The History and Antiquities of the Counties of Westmoreland and Cumberland Joseph Nicholson and
> > > Richard Burns.
> >
> > The Richard le Franceis whoIn married the Harcla daughter (Isabel) was
> > the one also known as Vernon, and was progenitor of the subsequent
> > Vernons of Haddon; I have him down as son of Gilbert (who married
> > Hawise de Vernon), son of Adam, son of Hugh, who was perhaps son of
> > another Adam (c.1200), in turn perhaps son of Robert (c.1180). I'll
> > dig out the exact reference over the weekend, but it's the CWAAS> > Transactions again (a long article on the family, and a later
> > corrigendum).
>
> Trans. Cumberland & Westmorland A & AS New Series vol XII (1912) for
> Rev FW Ragg's long article 'Maud's Meaburn and Newby: de Veteripont,
> le Franceys and de Vernon'; chart p.393 summarises as I stated above
> but with Gilbert as son of John le Fraunceys, baron of exchequer (d.
> 1267). Trans CWAAS NS XVI 167-8 corrects this to make Gilbert son of
> Adam (and nephew of John) in light of a recently rediscovered deed.
>
>
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