Meroving = to be or not to be?
Leo van de Pas
but there are no accepted lineages. In my collection, I thought, I had
several but not necessarily acceptable. I checked and I found I have only
two lines that continue and connect but are not necessarily acceptable.
I would like to display one line and, please, tell me where I am wrong :
Merovech
(source Schwennicke Volume I.1 page 1)
father of :
Childerich I, King of The Franks 458-481
(Source same page Schwennicke)
father of :
Clovis I 'the Great', King of The Franks 481-511
(source same page Schwennicke)
father of
Chlotar I, King in Soissons 511-561
(source same page Schwennicke)
father of
Chilperich I, King in Soissons
(source Schwennicke Volume I.1 page 2)
father of
Chlotar II, King of France 613-628
(source Schwennicke same page)
father of
Dagobert I, King of France 628-638
(source Schwennicke same page)
father of
Regintrude
(source R.de Vajay according to Roderick Stuart,
is this the weak link?)
mother of
Regentrude of Bavaria
(sourced R.de Vajay, Moriarty and Les Seize Quartiers
des Reines et Imperatrices Francaises by Jacques Saillot)
mother of
Nebi-Huoching, Duke of The Allemans
(Sources, Jacques Saillot, Turton, de Vajay and Moriarty)
father of
Nebi, Duke of The Allemans, Count in the Linzgau
(sources, Saillot, Turton, de Vajay, Moriarty)
father of
Imma/Emma
(sources Caroli Magni Progenies, by Siegfried Rosch,
Saillot, de Vajay, Moriarty)
mother of
Hildegardis, wife of Charlemagne
(sources, Rosch, Saillot, Vajay, Moriarty)
Best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Francisco Antonio Doria
Well, there is another line, which I've just posted, the line through the presores of Coimbra. See my previous posts. (There were a few remarks and criticisms by Todd in pvt, but I think that the line is quite well-documented.) It zigzags through Portugal, through the Mendo Guterres family, and goes boack to royalty through the Leonese kings. From them you get the whole of Europe...
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Todd A. Farmerie
>
> It is being said on a regular basis that there are Merovingian descendants
> but there are no accepted lineages. In my collection, I thought, I had
> several but not necessarily acceptable. I checked and I found I have only
> two lines that continue and connect but are not necessarily acceptable.
> I would like to display one line and, please, tell me where I am wrong :
>
> Dagobert I, King of France 628-638
> (source Schwennicke same page)
> father of
> Regintrude
> (source R.de Vajay according to Roderick Stuart,
> is this the weak link?)
> mother of
> Regentrude of Bavaria
> (sourced R.de Vajay, Moriarty and Les Seize Quartiers
> des Reines et Imperatrices Francaises by Jacques Saillot)
> mother of
> Nebi-Huoching, Duke of The Allemans
> (Sources, Jacques Saillot, Turton, de Vajay and Moriarty)
> father of
> Nebi, Duke of The Allemans, Count in the Linzgau
> (sources, Saillot, Turton, de Vajay, Moriarty)
> father of
I have not seen this one before, but discussions I have seen of
Hnabi/Nebi are usually skeptical of anything prior to his father
Huoching. The source for these generations, R. de Vajay according to
Roderick Stuart, does not engender much faith, since the author intended
is surely Szabolcs de Vajay. While he has does phenominal work, he has
also, from time to time, allowed his enthusiasm toget the best of him.
Does Stuart give a full citation for Vajay?
taf
Stewart Baldwin
>It is being said on a regular basis that there are Merovingian descendants
>but there are no accepted lineages. In my collection, I thought, I had
>several but not necessarily acceptable. I checked and I found I have only
>two lines that continue and connect but are not necessarily acceptable.
>I would like to display one line and, please, tell me where I am wrong :
>Dagobert I, King of France 628-638
>(source Schwennicke same page)
>father of
>Regintrude
>(source R.de Vajay according to Roderick Stuart,
>is this the weak link?)
Settipani's "La Práhistoire des Capátiens" shows no such daughter of
Dagobert.
>mother of
>Regentrude of Bavaria
>(sourced R.de Vajay, Moriarty and Les Seize Quartiers
>des Reines et Imperatrices Francaises by Jacques Saillot)
>mother of
>Nebi-Huoching, Duke of The Allemans
>(Sources, Jacques Saillot, Turton, de Vajay and Moriarty)
I have never seen his name given as "Nebi-Huoching", only as Huoching.
The usual reconstruction of this family names Odilo of Bavaria (father
of Tassilo of Bavaria) as a brother of Huoching. I don't know whether
their supposed Bavarian mother is based on actual evidence, or is just
a conjecture to explain Tassilo's posession of Bavaria.
Stewart Baldwin
>Settipani's "La Práhistoire des Capátiens" shows no such daughter of
>Dagobert.
Obviously, this should be "La Préhistoire des Capétiens". I hit the
wrong buttons in my attempt to type an accented "e", and clearly did
not do an adequate job of proofreading.
Stewart Baldwin
John Carmi Parsons
fuer Osterreiches Geschichtsforschung*, 59 (1951), 261-62, suggests Duke
Gottfried married a daughter of Duke Theodo. L. Levillain, "Les Nibelungen
historiques," *Annales du Midi*, 49 and 50 (1937-38) suggests that Theodo
(d. 717), described as kinsman of the Merovingian Theoderic III (d. 691), had
a Merovingian mother. Onomastically, this could account for the Theo- name
element, which Levillain believed was usually borne by the Merovingians and
their relatives. Zoellner thinks that Duke Odilo of Bavaria (d. 748) was a
son of Gottfrid (d. 709) and the hypothetical Bavarian lady.
John Parsons
On Tue, 20 Apr 1999, Stewart Baldwin wrote:
> leov...@iinet.net.au (Leo van de Pas) wrote:
>
> >It is being said on a regular basis that there are Merovingian descendants
> >but there are no accepted lineages. In my collection, I thought, I had
> >several but not necessarily acceptable. I checked and I found I have only
> >two lines that continue and connect but are not necessarily acceptable.
> >I would like to display one line and, please, tell me where I am wrong :
>
> >Dagobert I, King of France 628-638
> >(source Schwennicke same page)
> >father of
> >Regintrude
> >(source R.de Vajay according to Roderick Stuart,
> >is this the weak link?)
>
> Settipani's "La Práhistoire des Capátiens" shows no such daughter of
> Dagobert.
>