Corrections to "Plantagenet Ancestry" by Douglas Richardson is now live

[WJho...@aol.com]

Due to the kind assistance of many persons, and with special thanks to Leo,
we now have a live page for the display of Corrections to Doug's latest book.

_http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wjhonson/PAC/_
(http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wjhonson/PAC/)

Be sure to bookmark it for future reference until such time as Google can
see it.

Please feel free to email me with fixes, suggestions and more corrections as
you wish.

Will Johnson

[Tim Powys-Lybbe]

If anyone wants a free copy of PA3 to enable them to add to this, get in
touch as I have one gathering dust here. Though if it is to go more
than a few miles a contribution to the post would be appreciated.

--
Tim Powys-Lybbe                                          t...@powys.org
             For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org

[Todd A. Farmerie]

John Brandon wrote:
> Please remove all items with my name attached.

Please don't - it will make things more difficult for everyone involved.
However, perhaps some clarification is in order, indicating that the
concerns were "raised by X" (a statement of fact), rather than
"contributed by X" which could imply that active measures were taken by
the person to submit the information to the corrections page. (You
could even link these summaries to the full post(s) which raised the issue.)

> If people want to consult my suggestions,
> they are in the archive.

Not very convenient, as they won't know a correction regarding their
specific line is in the archive, and we all have experience how wonky
the archives can be from time to time. Certainly it is more helpful to
put all known corrections together in a single location.

taf

[Todd A. Farmerie]

John Brandon wrote:
> I will allow the Bigod, Humphrey, and Hawes entries to stand (and I
> have a bit more to add on Hawes), but please remove my sections of
> Alsop, Asfordby, Battle, Bladen, Bolles, Bosvile, and Skipwith. No
> links, no rewording, no nothing.

You don't honestly think you can claim the right to prevent people from
linking to your posts, do you?

I just don't get it. What is the benefit of forcing readers to do a
needle-in-a-haystack search among 10 years worth of posts in order to
find useful information that can (in fact, already has) all be brought
together in one place?

taf

[Diane Sheppard]

Dear Group,
I agree that a link to the original post would make the corrections
even more valuable. If this is not possible, corrections should at
least include a date, thereby providing one with enough information for
a proper citation,

Diane Sheppard

[norenxaq]

John Brandon wrote:

> > You don't honestly think you can claim the right to prevent people from
> > linking to your posts, do you?
>

> No, but--dammit--you do need to ask people's permission to reproduce
> their postings!

posts on any newsgroups will and should be copied by a responder so that the
context is maintained

> You of all people know this, Todd--you and Paul made
> the most outrageous fuss about this a few years back when Finton (or
> whoever it was), was reproducing people's postings.

the difference was that Finton was using material here in a subscription
based journal of his own creation and reprinting discussions on various
topics without asking the posters' consent let alone acquiring it

[Leo van de Pas]

Dear Todd,

I do feel confused (at my age not difficult) but John Brandon produced
positive information intended to improve the knowledge about Plantagenet
Ancestry, and now he wants his contribution to be a needle in a haystack?

If I were John Brandon I would be furious if people took a positive
contribution but did not record who so kindly and knowledgeably had provided
it. Also, tell me if I am wrong, when people post in public information,
that information can be used as long as it is not distorted or taken out of
context and acknowledgements are made?

Publishing does mean making public? As English is my second language allow
me to use my dictionary: Public : of or belonging to the people - generally
known - in open view, unconcealed, not private Publish : to put into
circulation. Brandon put his appreciated knowledge into circulation and it
ended up where it was needed, a collection adding to the knowledge of
Richardson's Plantagenet Ancestry. I do not see his problem.

As always, with best wishes.
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia

[WJho...@aol.com]

In a message dated 9/6/05 12:15:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
blueco...@comcast.net writes:

I shall hopefully over the next week be able to add dates to the
contributions. I am reliant on another person to assist me in doing that. In the
meantime if anyone finds the appropriate links/dates, I don't have a problem adding
them to the text.
Will johnson

[WJho...@aol.com]

In a message dated 9/6/05 11:35:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
starb...@hotmail.com writes:

<< And, PLEASE, go back in and clean up your multitude of typos--it looks
pretty crappy as it stands. Entries like "Contributed [sic] by John
Brancon" aren't likely to impress someone with a different surname. >>

If you do find any typos, it would be helpful if you could cite the specific
page where that typo lives. You don't need to post the full link, just the
heading will suffice. Thanks. And thanks to everyone for their corrections.
Will Johnson

[D. Spencer Hines]

Hilarious!

He won't even correct his own mistakes.

DSH

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[Peter Stewart]

"D. Spencer Hines" <pogue...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:zmpTe.953$Bv2....@eagle.america.net...

> Hilarious!
>
> He won't even correct his own mistakes.

Like Richardson, you mean?

Peter Stewart

[Todd A. Farmerie]

John Brandon wrote:
>>You don't honestly think you can claim the right to prevent people from
>>linking to your posts, do you?
>
>

> No, but--dammit--you do need to ask people's permission to reproduce
> their postings!

Outside of fair use, yes, but restating facts or linking to a post, both
of which you also rejected, certainly do not violate fair use.

taf

[WJho...@aol.com]

In a message dated 9/6/05 5:05:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
starb...@hotmail.com writes:

<< Start at the first entry and go on to the next, until you come to the
last. There is AT LEAST one typo in each entry. I can't understand
why you wouldn't cut and paste, rather than spend all the time to
re-type the items (poorly). >>

I did cut and paste. However there is a flaw in your assumptions.
I did not cut and paste off SGM or any other on-line source.
I was sent the entire collection of contributions in emails.
I did not retype anything.
Will Johnson

[WJho...@aol.com]

In a message dated 9/6/05 5:15:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
starb...@hotmail.com writes:

<< I suppose it's alright if they all remain, but please remove
"contributed by John Brandon," "contributed by John Brancon," or any
other mention or misspelling of my name. You can link to the origin
posting in lieu of crediting me. >>

I will remove all mentions of your name.
Will Johnson

[WJho...@aol.com]

In a message dated 9/6/05 5:35:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
starb...@hotmail.com writes:

<< This really ought to read "ADDITIONS AND CORRECTIONS," not merely
"corrections." For instance, my entries under "Bigod" and "Bosvile"
merely provide an exact date for marriages Douglas had already
correctly stated. >>

Done. Thank's for your input :)
Will

[Leo van de Pas]

This sounds like semantics to me, by adding you amend/correct the original?

----- Original Message -----
From: <WJho...@aol.com>
To: <GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: Corrections to "Plantagenet Ancestry" by Douglas Richardson is
now live

[WJho...@aol.com]

In a message dated 9/6/05 4:15:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
pogue...@hotmail.com writes:

<< He won't even correct his own mistakes. >>

As I posted a bit ago, but perhaps these email's crossed. These are not my
mistakes. I merely cut and pasted what I was given.
Thank you for your useful comments.
Will Johnson

[John P. DuLong]

Dear Mr. Johnson,

I do not own Mr. Richardson's book, I have not yet seen it, I do not
even know if I will find it of value or not at all helpful in my mostly
French research, nevertheless, I for one would like to thank you for
attempting to concentrate the additions and corrections to this work in
one place. I am sure you will work the bugs out of your web site by
taking the best from the criticism of your effort and forgetting the rest.

Just remember: No act of kindness will go unpunished!

JP

[lma...@att.net]

The following item provides further proof of the parentage of
Edward Rainsford of Massachusetts.

The Winthrop papers state that Edward's master was
Owen Roe of London.

The apprenticeship register for the Haberdashers Company of London
shows that

"Edrus Raynsford filius Robti Raynsford de Staverton in Com Northton
Armiger poss Owen Rowe civi et haberds London pro termino octo Annor a
festo Penticosti ult dat ix die" June 1626

Leslie

[lma...@att.net]

I suppose the item is important enough
that I should have it 'officially' published.

Leslie

[lma...@att.net]

Thanks for the interesting details,
which gives some explanation as to why Rainsford emigrated.

I didnt see Nathaniel Rowe / Roe listed in Savages Dictionary,
but I did find a will for John Yeomans.

It looks I'll be publishing something in NEHGR: a will which proves the

English ancestry of Judith (Everard) wife of Samuel Appleton.

Leslie

[lma...@att.net]

I suppose the Rainsford item should be officially published,
which can be done easily.

Eventually, I'll have to look further into the ancestry of
colonist Leonard Chester.
I know his Sharpe grandfather left an IPM, but no will.
Also, Leonard's marriage was located by Charles Banks
decades ago, but is not widely known.

Leslie

[Kevin Bradford]

I have a photo of John Chester's MI in the Old Wethersfield burying ground, it's a truly impressive table monument that has shown little wear. My descent runs along these lines:

http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=DESC&db=plantagenet&id=I0578

Best,

Kevin
Plantagenet Genealogy & Biography: http://home.earthlink.net/~plantagenet60/plantagenet01.htm

-----Original Message-----
From: John Brandon <starb...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Sep 30, 2005 12:32 PM
To: GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Corrections to "Plantagenet Ancestry" by Douglas Richardson is now live

>>Eventually, I'll have to look further into the ancestry of colonist Leonard Chester. I know his Sharpe grandfather left an IPM, but no will.
Also, Leonard's marriage was located by Charles Banks decades ago, but
is not widely known.

I remember you mentioning that.

If you get a 'wild hair,' and want to publish the ref. to Anne Baynton
Batt from the _Clarendon Papers_, please feel free to. It might be
interesting for descendants, in view of Charles Fitch-Northen's note
that showed Christopher Batt as a close cousin of Clarendon's.

Or was the thing from the _Clarendon Papers_ already in Walter Davis's
write-ups?