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Paulo Canedo

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Nov 21, 2017, 5:21:20 AM11/21/17
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Dear followers of the newsgroup, the website WARGS by the late William Addams Reitwiesner hasn't been working since some months ago any idea why?

joe...@gmail.com

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Nov 21, 2017, 7:16:53 AM11/21/17
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On Tuesday, November 21, 2017 at 5:21:20 AM UTC-5, Paulo Canedo wrote:
> Dear followers of the newsgroup, the website WARGS by the late William Addams Reitwiesner hasn't been working since some months ago any idea why?

He passed away some number of years ago, sadly.
I believe I may have taken a full mirror of it before it went offline if it is needed.

Paulo Canedo

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Nov 21, 2017, 7:29:50 AM11/21/17
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Dear Joe, I knew he had passed away years ago but after his death the website continued to be operared by his assistant but this year for some reason the website went offline.
Did his assistant give up or something?
Fortunately the Web Archive has screenshots of its pages before it went offline

P J Evans

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Nov 21, 2017, 9:50:52 AM11/21/17
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It was hosted by, or at, Rootsweb for several years. I suspect that it was getting little usage.

Wjhonson

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Nov 21, 2017, 11:29:09 AM11/21/17
to pj.ev...@gmail.com, gen-me...@rootsweb.com
Rootsweb does not routinely remove sites based on activity however
I have had pages up in their freepages space that haven't been modified in ten years
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John Higgins

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Nov 21, 2017, 12:38:57 PM11/21/17
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On Tuesday, November 21, 2017 at 4:29:50 AM UTC-8, Paulo Canedo wrote:
Here is the address of the Internet Archive copy of the WARGS website:
https://web.archive.org/web/20170630045134/http://www.wargs.com/

Patrick Nielsen Hayden

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Nov 21, 2017, 7:42:54 PM11/21/17
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On 2017-11-21 10:18:47 +0000, Paulo Canedo said:

> Dear followers of the newsgroup, the website WARGS by the late William
> Addams Reitwiesner hasn't been working since a few months ago any ideal
> why?

If you go to William Addams Reitwiesner's Wikipedia page, you'll find a
link to archive.org's capture of it:

https://web.archive.org/web/20170630045134/http://www.wargs.com/

Not complete, but better than nothing.

--
Patrick Nielsen Hayden
http://nielsenhayden.com
http://nielsenhayden.com/genealogy-tng/

christop...@gmail.com

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Mar 28, 2018, 4:25:27 PM3/28/18
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On Tuesday, November 21, 2017 at 5:21:20 AM UTC-5, Paulo Canedo wrote:
> Dear followers of the newsgroup, the website WARGS by the late William Addams Reitwiesner hasn't been working since some months ago any idea why?

The wargs.com website is now back up. there was an issue with the hosting site changing the IP address and I had some difficulty gaining access to another account via a defunct e-mail. All should be good now. Thanks, Chris

John Higgins

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Mar 28, 2018, 7:16:37 PM3/28/18
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Thanks for this good news! It's still a useful resource...

ravinma...@yahoo.com

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Apr 4, 2018, 5:56:06 PM4/4/18
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WARGS's chart for Camilla Shand Parker-Bowles gives as ancestors:

#108 Henry Peters, of Betchworth Castle, Dorking, Surrey, partner in the firm of Masterman & Co. bankers, of 34 Nicholas Lane, London. Lord of the Manor of Teddington. M.P. for Oxford 1796-1802. High Sheriff of Surrey 1818. bapt. St Botolphs, Bishopsgate, 17 Dec. 1762, d. at his house in Park Street, Grosvenor Square, London 21 Dec. 1827, bur. at St Andrew's Holborn. [Sources: Gents Mag 1827, II, 646; Inns of Court] m. St. George's, Hanover Square 10 Jan. 1784

109 Charlotte Mary Morrison, b. Charlton-cum-Woolwich ca. 1763

218 George Morrison, General, d. Seymour Street, London, 26 Nov. 1799, ae. ca. 95 [ODNB 39:334] m. (1750s)

219 Mary Becher b. 11 Apr. 1737 [IGI], d. ...

http://wargs.com/royal/camilla.html

A much fuller account of the Irish Beecher/ Becher ancestry is given here:

https://books.google.com/books?id=Wf16AAAAMAAJ&pg=PA307&dq=%22charlotte+m.+mr+peters%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiKjOTSzKHaAhXH0VMKHe73DQwQ6AEIJzAA#v=onepage&q=%22charlotte%20m.%20mr%20peters%22&f=false

wjhonson

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Apr 7, 2018, 1:36:33 PM4/7/18
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The early parts of the pedigree are lacking in specific dates, but I find an Edward Becher baptised at HARTLEY WESPALL, HAMPSHIRE 20 Jul 1576, son of "Vaine Becher"

I take this to be Fane Becher and Susan Dabridgecourt's second son Edward

wjhonson

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Apr 7, 2018, 1:41:48 PM4/7/18
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To follow up, in your source they note also the next two sons to be Fane and William

And I find similarly at HARTLEY WESPALL, HAMPSHIRE, "Phayne" baptised 25 nov 1582 and William baptised 25 Jul 1585 (J139411 wj)

The father is listed as Becher only for Phayne, and as Vaine Becher for William

wjhonson

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Apr 7, 2018, 2:00:23 PM4/7/18
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On Saturday, April 7, 2018 at 10:41:48 AM UTC-7, wjhonson wrote:
> On Saturday, April 7, 2018 at 10:36:33 AM UTC-7, wjhonson wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 4, 2018 at 2:56:06 PM UTC-7, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > WARGS's chart for Camilla Shand Parker-Bowles gives as ancestors:
> > >
> > > #108 Henry Peters, of Betchworth Castle, Dorking, Surrey, partner in the firm of Masterman & Co. bankers, of 34 Nicholas Lane, London. Lord of the Manor of Teddington. M.P. for Oxford 1796-1802. High Sheriff of Surrey 1818. bapt. St Botolphs, Bishopsgate, 17 Dec. 1762, d. at his house in Park Street, Grosvenor Square, London 21 Dec. 1827, bur. at St Andrew's Holborn. [Sources: Gents Mag 1827, II, 646; Inns of Court] m. St. George's, Hanover Square 10 Jan. 1784
> > >
> > > 109 Charlotte Mary Morrison, b. Charlton-cum-Woolwich ca. 1763
> > >
> > > 218 George Morrison, General, d. Seymour Street, London, 26 Nov. 1799, ae. ca. 95 [ODNB 39:334] m. (1750s)
> > >
> > > 219 Mary Becher b. 11 Apr. 1737 [IGI], d. ...
> > >
> > > http://wargs.com/royal/camilla.html
> > >
> > > A much fuller account of the Irish Beecher/ Becher ancestry is given here:
> > >
> > > https://books.google.com/books?id=Wf16AAAAMAAJ&pg=PA307&dq=%22charlotte+m.+mr+peters%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiKjOTSzKHaAhXH0VMKHe73DQwQ6AEIJzAA#v=onepage&q=%22charlotte%20m.%20mr%20peters%22&f=false
> >


I believe that the George Dabridgecourt, father of Susan, mentioned here is the same George of Stathfield Saye

https://books.google.com/books?id=f6w-AQAAMAAJ&dq=dabridgecourt%20family&pg=PA11#v=onepage&q&f=true




wjhonson

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Apr 7, 2018, 2:07:42 PM4/7/18
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Yes here it all is laid out

https://books.google.com/books?id=CBwIAAAAQAAJ&dq=george%20dabridgecourt%20norton&pg=PA199#v=onepage&q&f=false

wjhonson

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Apr 7, 2018, 2:39:42 PM4/7/18
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The Daubridgecourt family has a descent from Robert II, King of /France/ 996-1031, M

John Higgins

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Apr 7, 2018, 6:17:44 PM4/7/18
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Yes, Gary Boyd Roberts included the Dabridgecourt descent from Robert II of France in the 2004 edition of RD600. Do you have a new version of this descent?

wjhonson

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Apr 7, 2018, 6:28:38 PM4/7/18
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I don't have a copy so I don't know what he said
But starting from

Elizabeth du /Roeulx/ of Stratfield-Say , Southampton (as heiress)
who d 26 Sep 1405

I have at least four distinct French descents for her
One goes through Otton III de /Trazegnies/ , Seigneur de Braine-le-Château
One goes through Sohier II d' /Enghien/ , Lord of Zottegham
One through Aleidis von /Zotteghem/
and one through William de /Say/ , Knt son of Alice of /Stratfield/

John Higgins

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Apr 7, 2018, 7:02:41 PM4/7/18
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GBR shows the descent from Robert II via Alice of Stratfield.

wjhonson

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Apr 7, 2018, 8:01:49 PM4/7/18
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There are also a few more details on the Morrice family listed there in WARGS ascent

William Morrice and Mary Chadwick were married
16 Jul 1737 Saint Anne and Saint Agnes Aldersgate, London (Batch M022361 wj)

It was of such note to appear in the contemporary Historical Register

https://books.google.com/books?id=2xErAAAAYAAJ&pg=PT14&dq=William+Morrice+Mary+Chadwick&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjR6ZaKr6naAhUBM8AKHR1ECdYQ6wEINDAC#v=onepage&q=William%20Morrice%20Mary%20Chadwick&f=false

Where we learn that William was the son of "Admiral Morrice of Bettshanger"
and that Mary was "of NorthFleet Kent"

wjhonson

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Apr 7, 2018, 8:07:16 PM4/7/18
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On this family, we can continue the line further

https://books.google.com/books?id=upFIAQAAMAAJ&dq=salmon%20morricee&pg=PA233#v=onepage&q=salmon%20morricee&f=true

wjhonson

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Apr 7, 2018, 8:49:53 PM4/7/18
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Salmon Morrice who was later the Admiral
was baptised 25 Apr 1672
St Dunstan Stepney, London (Batch C055769 wj)

wjhonson

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Apr 7, 2018, 8:54:12 PM4/7/18
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His wife Elizabeth Wright, sole heiress of her father
died 22 Sep 1733 "aged 48"

Her father William has a portrait here
William /Wright/ , Commissioner of his Majesty's Navy

His portrait
http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/14576.html

wjhonson

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Apr 8, 2018, 7:49:54 PM4/8/18
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It turns out that Constance Maria Georgiana Peters has an additional and shorter royal ascent. Not to Robert II of France, but to David I of Scotland, through the Bagot of Blithfield family

John Higgins

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Apr 8, 2018, 10:39:18 PM4/8/18
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On Sunday, April 8, 2018 at 4:49:54 PM UTC-7, wjhonson wrote:
> It turns out that Constance Maria Georgiana Peters has an additional and shorter royal ascent. Not to Robert II of France, but to David I of Scotland, through the Bagot of Blithfield family

Are you going to share this shorter descent with the group?

wjhonson

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Apr 9, 2018, 1:38:44 PM4/9/18
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#445 Mary Chadwick, one of two co-heiresses of her father
#890 Robert /Chadwick/ of Northfleet, co Kent; Capt R.N.
#1780 John /Chadwick/ of Darenth (as vicar); Second son bap 18 Mar 1638 Mavesyn-Ridware
#3560 John /Chadwick/ of Healey Hall; esq
#3561 Katherine /Chadwick/, b 1619-22; Sole heiress of her father
#7122 Lewis /Chadwick/ of Mavesyn-Ridware, co Staf; esq; Col
#7123 Mary /Bagot/; Heiress of her father
#14246 Anthony /Bagot/ , Gent born 20 Nov 1558; second son; bur 21 Jun 1622 Blithfield, co Staf
#14247 Catherine /Lowe/ One of two (three?) co-heiresses of their father; bur 26 Dec 1620 Blithfield, co Staf

wjhonson

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Apr 9, 2018, 1:40:15 PM4/9/18
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By the way, although Anthony is *called* second son, he was actually what I would say today as "third but second surviving son". His eldest brother Thomas died in infancy

John Higgins

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Apr 9, 2018, 4:37:41 PM4/9/18
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On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 10:38:44 AM UTC-7, wjhonson wrote:
Interesting - as far as it goes....

wjhonson

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Apr 10, 2018, 12:15:37 PM4/10/18
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Continuation for Anthony Bagot

https://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=wjhonson&id=I85108&style=TEXT

wjhonson

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Apr 10, 2018, 12:16:43 PM4/10/18
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Or here also

http://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00429739&tree=LEO

judyl...@gmail.com

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May 23, 2020, 12:59:06 AM5/23/20
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Do you have a citation for this Elizabeth du Roeulx?

Many thanks,

Judy Perry
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