STRADLING of Dauntsey and/or St. Donat's
John Higgins
family. Perhaps someone has access to better information and can help me.
Paget's ancestry of Prince Charles gives the following ancestors, starting
at O28764:
1. Anne Stradling (b. 1459, will proved 21.I.1539) m. 13.XII.1487 Sir John
Danvers of Culworth
2. Sir John Stradling of Dauntsey (b. 1450, d. 1471)
3. Alice Langford
4. Sir Edmund Stradling (b. 1429, d. 1461)
5. Elizabeth Arundell
8. Sir John Stradling of St. Donats
9. Joan Dauntsey [dau. of Sir John]
10. Renfrey Arundell of Tremodrat
11. Jane Coleshill [dau. of Sir John]
Watney's ancestry of the Wallop family gives a somewhat different version:
1. Anne Stradling, 'the Lady of Dauntsey' (d. 29.XII.1539) m. Sir John
Danvers of Culworth (d. 12.I.1514/5)
2. John Stradling [no dates]
3. Alice Langford
4. Sir Edward Stradling of St. Donat's (d. 1535)
5. Elizabeth Arundell (d. 1513)
8. Thomas Stradling of St. Donat's (d. 8.IX.1480, aged 26)
9. Janet Mathew [dau. of Thomas]
10. Sir Thomas Arundell of Lanherne (d. 11.X.1485)
11. Catherine Dinham [dau. of Sir John]
Both ancestries appear to have problems. The Arundell segment in Paget's
version does not correspond with standard pedigrees of that family, while
the Watney version seems chronologically unsound in the Stradling line
(Anne's husband dies 20 years before her grandfather).
Can anyone help to straighten out this confusion?
John Higgins
jthi...@surfree.com
"Who begot whom is a most amusing kind of hunting" - Horace Walpole
Ann Sharp
""John Higgins"" <jthi...@surfree.com>
> Paget's ancestry of Prince Charles gives the following ancestors, starting
> at O28764:
>
> 1. Anne Stradling (b. 1459, will proved 21.I.1539) m. 13.XII.1487 Sir John
> Danvers of Culworth
Can we make Anne's birthdate 1469, please? She might have been born
when her father was nineteen; nine seems VERY unlikely.
Brad Verity
> I'm trying to resolve conflicting ancestries for a segment of the Stradling
> family. Perhaps someone has access to better information and can help me.
I have copied the chapter 'The Rise of the Stradlings of St Donat's'
from Welsh historian R.A. Griffiths' 1994 book "Conquerors and
Conquered in Medieval Wales". If you don't have access to this book,
I'll be happy to fax you the chapter.
> Paget's ancestry of Prince Charles gives the following ancestors, starting
> at O28764:
>
> 1. Anne Stradling (b. 1459, will proved 21.I.1539) m. 13.XII.1487 Sir John
> Danvers of Culworth
This couple is not mentioned at all in Griffiths.
> 2. Sir John Stradling of Dauntsey (b. 1450, d. 1471)
> 3. Alice Langford
Neither is this one. Dauntsey was in Wiltshire, and Griffiths' focus
was on the Welsh branches of the 15th century Stradling family.
> 4. Sir Edmund Stradling (b. 1429, d. 1461)
> 5. Elizabeth Arundell
Here we go. "His son, Edmund Stradling of Winterbourne (c. 1429-61),
seems to have had little affection for Glamorgan and part of his
estates there, the great park at Coity, was granted away in October
1452. His interests were entirely English; he married Elizabeth,
daughter of Sir Renfrew Arundell, and in 1452-3 became sheriff of
Wiltshire."
> 8. Sir John Stradling of St. Donats
> 9. Joan Dauntsey [dau. of Sir John]
"Sir Edward had two brothers, both of whom successfully consolidated
the reputation and influence of the family, John in the west country
and William in Glamorgan. The former made a good marriage with Joan,
the heiress of her brother, Walter Dauntsey of Wiltshire, and widow of
Sir Maurice Russell of Dorset. They were married by July 1417 and to
her husband Joan brought a dowry from the Russell estates, including
lands in Wiltshire, Somerset, Dorset and Glocestershire, as well as
the Dauntsey lands in Wiltshire; John himself contributed the manor of
Colwinston in Ogmore. He died about January 1435, apparently without
having distinguished himself in any significant office in England or
Wales apart from that of sheriff of Glamorgan in 1421 and 1423.
> 10. Renfrey Arundell of Tremodrat
> 11. Jane Coleshill [dau. of Sir John]
>
> Watney's ancestry of the Wallop family gives a somewhat different version:
>
> 1. Anne Stradling, 'the Lady of Dauntsey' (d. 29.XII.1539) m. Sir John
> Danvers of Culworth (d. 12.I.1514/5)
>
> 2. John Stradling [no dates]
> 3. Alice Langford
>
> 4. Sir Edward Stradling of St. Donat's (d. 1535)
> 5. Elizabeth Arundell (d. 1513)
"Edward Stradling came of age in the dying years of the fifteenth
century and entered the next one married to Elizabeth, daughter of Sir
Thomas Arundell of Lanherne in Cornwall. ... Sir Edward breathed his
last at St. Donat's on 8 May 1535, his wife having died in childbirth
twenty-two years earlier at the Stradling manor of Merthyr Mawr. On
the first anniversary of Sir Edward's death, his son Thomas brought
her bones from Merthyr Mawr and reunited them with her husband's in
the chancel of St Donat's church."
> 8. Thomas Stradling of St. Donat's (d. 8.IX.1480, aged 26)
> 9. Janet Mathew [dau. of Thomas]
"Although Sir Henry's only son, Thomas, had probably recently come of
age when news of his father's death [on 31 August 1476 on the island
of Cyprus] reached St Donat's, he did not live long enough to make a
mark on the history of his family or of Glamorgan. His name was
submitted for the office of coroner at the county court at Cardiff in
October 1477, but on 8 September 1480 he died in the Dominican Priory
in Cardiff. His wife, Jenet, daughter of Thomas Mathew of Radyr, was
transferred to the bed of Sir Rhys ap Thomas, doyen of the Welsh
adherents of Henry Tudor, and his bones to the chancel of St Donat's
church after the Dissolution."
> 10. Sir Thomas Arundell of Lanherne (d. 11.X.1485)
> 11. Catherine Dinham [dau. of Sir John]
>
> Both ancestries appear to have problems. The Arundell segment in Paget's
> version does not correspond with standard pedigrees of that family, while
> the Watney version seems chronologically unsound in the Stradling line
> (Anne's husband dies 20 years before her grandfather).
>
> Can anyone help to straighten out this confusion?
It seems the discrepancy is which Stradling/Arundell marriage did John
Stradling, husband of Alice Langford and father of Anne Stradling,
come from? By the looks of the chronology, he would fit better in the
Dauntsey branch of the Stradlings, and so was the son of Edmund
Stradling of Winterbourne (d. 1461), by his wife Elizabeth, daughter
of Sir Renfrew Arundell. So my guess is that Paget was correct, and
Watney seems to have confused the two 15th-century Stradling/Arundell
marriages.
Hope this helps!
Cheers, ---------Brad
M.D. Warner
to look up the family line? These records are from Ireland...might
shed some light. Drop me a line.
MDW
jthi...@surfree.com ("John Higgins") wrote in message news:<000001c2ea9a$1e78eda0$f3d85142@com>...
Sutliff
times in the past. So the archives ought to be checked to see if there can
be further help or questions for this thread.
Henry Sutliff
""John Higgins"" <jthi...@surfree.com> wrote in message
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John Higgins
Since I originally posted the message, I came across some material on the
Sradlings in a monograph on the Danvers family: "Memorials of the Danvers
Family", by F. N. McNamara (London: 1895, and reprinted with additions
1995). It essentially confirms your guess that the Paget ancestry for Anne
Stradling is correct and the ancestry shown in Wallop is wrong. As you say,
Paget's version makes more sense chronologically anyway.
John Higgins
jthi...@surfree.com
"Who begot whom is a most amusing kind of hunting" - Horace Walpole
Sutliff
FHL British Film [104370, Item 3]:
Sir John Maclean and Sir T. Phillipps
_A Collection of Pedigrees_
These include Stradling of St. Donats and Descendants of Sir John Dauntsay
(Dauntsey).
Hope this might help.
Henry Sutliff
""John Higgins"" <jthi...@surfree.com> wrote in message
news:000001c2ea9a$1e78eda0$f3d85142@com...
all...@pacbell.net
Besides Bartrum's rendition on the 1400-1500 segment, there is a section on
Dauntsey and Stradling in MacNamara's Memorials of the Danvers Family in
both the 1st and the centenniel edition. The former is on film and the
latter in on fiche. Both are useful.
Kay Allen AG
Original Message:
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From: Sutliff ss...@earthlink.net
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 21:14:25 GMT
To: GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: STRADLING of Dauntsey and/or St. Donat's
_A Collection of Pedigrees_
Hope this might help.
Henry Sutliff
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