Family Connections of Isaac Newton
wjhonson
Isaac Newton. I am more particularly interested in the ancestry of
his father, mother and step-father (Barnabas Smith).
I feel there is something here to tie these families into my cecil web
but I haven't quite hit on it yet, just tantalizing close. Is there
any evidence of where these people go in their respective armigerous
trees? Or alternatively, is there evidence that none of these
families had arms? Leo does not have the connections in his work yet.
Will Johnson
John
I assume you've checked out this pedigree, apparently entered in the
College of Arms by Sir Isaac himself.
["Miscellanea Genealogica et Heraldica", new series, vol. 1, pp. 169ff]
wjhonson
>
> I assume you've checked out this pedigree, apparently entered in the
> College of Arms by Sir Isaac himself.
>
>
> ["Miscellanea Genealogica et Heraldica", new series, vol. 1, pp. 169ff]
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I had not seen that. It adds some specific dates and names that I
only had assumptions and conjectures about.
Does anyone know how this Ayscough/Blythe marriage fits into those
families? It seems that Isaac's researches were almost entirely on
the Newton surname without really discussing his mother's family much.
Will Johnson
wjhonson
claims that Isaac's mother Hannah Ayscough, was a granddaughter of
"William Blythe of Stroxton".
The marriage of Margery Blythe to James Ayscough is also given as
1609. I would suppose this forces us to conclude that this Margery
must be a sister to that John Blythe of Stroxton and Denton, co Linc
(d 8 Nov 1602) who m Margaret Thorold as her first husband.
This Margaret Thorold, after having six children by John Blythe, next
married John Wingfield of Tickencote, co Rutland, had five more
children and died in 1618
This John Wingfield was a grandson of Richard Cecil. I have a note to
"See Vis Lincoln 1562-4", but I don't see that one online. Even it it
were, it would not confirm Margery Blythe in this family as she
couldn't have yet been born.
Will Johnson
wjhonson
Denton in Linc.Ped. Volume I which isn't online in Google Books (even
though older). I complained to Google Books about that, and they
hemmed and hawed but it's still not there.
I don't suppose anyone has that volume?
On another note, it seems like there is another continuation from
these Blythes. Namely in the Linc.Ped. writeup on the Wilson family
of Sheepwash he states Alice dau. of William Blythe of Stroxton.
Applying chronology to the rest of the Wilson branch, it appears that
it must be that the William Blythe, known to be a son of that John
Blythe of Stroxton (d. 1602) had issue.
William must have inherited Stroxton either from his father, or an
elder brother at some point. So this Alice (Blythe) Wilson must have
been born at some point between 1595 and 1631 which means she might
actually appear in a parish register somewhere, and/or have a marriage
license listing her age.
Will Johnson
wjhonson
Pedigrees. There they give us a few dates, but a lot of names without
dates. In particular first I wanted to narrow the possible birthrange
for "Alice Blythe". Her husband Charles Wilson was Slain at Naseby 14
Jun 1645 and they had a child, also Charles. So she was at least of
birthgiving age.
I can't find anything useful on her side, so I checked the Wilson's.
There's a lot of nonsense in the IGI about the Wilsons of Sheepwash,
but nothing serious, just people making wild guesses.
So I looked at some of the other places associated with them, and
noted that Anne (Cracroft) Wilson in her will asked to be buried "at
Canwick". So I threw that into the IGI and voila, the list of her
sons and daughters baptisms popped up.
In Canwick, co Linc (Batch C026261 wj) we find those daughters, as
repeated from Linc Ped. but here with their dates:
Frances 9 Apr 1612
Martha 2 Sep 1614
Elizabeth 27 Nov 1615
Charles 27 Nov 1617
John 7 Mar 1618 (must be 1618/9)
[Hester and Dorothy do not appear]
Hannah 17 Feb 1621
Anne 25 Sep 1623
Jane 20 Sep 1629
Charles Wilson, the one slain at Naseby was a Major of Horse in the
Royal Army and one source claims that when slain he was "age 26". The
baptismal record would indicate he was 27, close enough.
So now we have a much firmer grasp of this family's dating.
Will Johnson
John
> This source
>
> http://books.google.com/books?id=vwcEAAAAIAAJ&dq=james+ayscough+of+ma...
>
> claims that Isaac's mother Hannah Ayscough, was a granddaughter of
> "William Blythe of Stroxton".
>
> The marriage of Margery Blythe to James Ayscough is also given as
> 1609. I would suppose this forces us to conclude that this Margery
> must be a sister to that John Blythe of Stroxton and Denton, co Linc
> (d 8 Nov 1602) who m Margaret Thorold as her first husband.
>
> This Margaret Thorold, after having six children by John Blythe, next
> married John Wingfield of Tickencote, co Rutland, had five more
> children and died in 1618
>
> This John Wingfield was a grandson of Richard Cecil. I have a note to
> "See Vis Lincoln 1562-4", but I don't see that one online. Even it it
> were, it would not confirm Margery Blythe in this family as she
> couldn't have yet been born.
>
> Will Johnson
The Blythe pedigree in vol. 1 of Maddison's Lincolnshire Pedigrees
doesn't support the conjecture that Margery Blythe who married James
Ayscough of Rutland was a sister of John Blythe of Stroxton who
married Margaret Thorold. John is given only one sister Alice, who
married Charles Wilson, d. at the battle of Naseby in 1645.
There is an extensive pedigree of the Ayscough family of Lincolnshire
in the same volume of "Lincolnshire Pedigrees", but it doesn't mention
Sir Isaac's grandfather James Ayscough - and Maddison almost certainly
would have made the connection of Sir Isaac to the family if one
existed. The article you cite above in snippet form is available via
JSTOR if your local library has access to that tool. When read in
full, it suggests that Sir Isaac and/or his parents engaged in a bit
of "pedigree inflation", trying to establish a "gentry" background for
the family which was probably non-existent. Thus it may be difficult
to find any notable connections for Sir Isaac, and they probably
shoudl be treated skeptically if found.
wjhonson
>
> The Blythe pedigree in vol. 1 of Maddison's Lincolnshire Pedigrees
> doesn't support the conjecture that Margery Blythe who married James
> Ayscough of Rutland was a sister of John Blythe of Stroxton who
> married Margaret Thorold. John is given only one sister Alice, who
> married Charles Wilson, d. at the battle of Naseby in 1645.
>
You're too far forward, or they are. The Wilson pedigree states her
father as William, but this William had a brother John, so I suppose
he could be Alice's father also.
Regardless of which one was her father, these brothers were sons of
John Blythe and Margaret Thorold.
The Margery (Blythe) Ayscough would not fit here as a daughter, but
rather she should be an *aunt* to these boys.
It's doubtful given the baptisms I've shown which match the Wilson
pedigree that Alice could be so old as to be a sister to a man who d
in 1602 having six children, when her own sole child was born at least
30 years later.
Are you certain you read it correctly?
wjhonson
Newton's grandmother. It is said that when Hannah married she carried
land in Sprawston in her marriage. Sprawston is another name for
Stroxton, co Linc.
That gives a "feeling" if nothing else, that she might very well be
related to the Blythe's of Stroxton.
John
The Blythe pedigree clearly says that Alice, wife of Charles Wilson,
was dau. of William Blythe and Alice, dau. of Thomas Charnocke, and
that she was sister of John Blythe who mar. Margaret Thorold. The
pedigree also mentions John's brother William but does not assign any
children to him. I agree that the fact that John Blythe died in 1602
suggests that Alice (Blythe) Wilson, whose husband died in 1645, was
of the next generation, but that's not what this particular pedigree
says. Of course that doesn't make it right - or any more correct than
any guesses would be....
As you indicate John Blythe and Margaret Thorold did have sons named
William and John (actually, two sons of each name), but there's no
mention of a Margery anywhere in this pedigree - and Alice is where
she is.
I imagine that it is very likely that Hannah Ayscough is in fact
related to this Blythe family - but the specific connection can't yet
be confirmed based on information presently available.
