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Re: Napoleon's Y-DNA Matches that of Hitler
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Michael O'Hearn
Feb 19, 2012, 1:28:04 PM2/19/12
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>>Has Napoleon's DNA been tested to prove he was the son of the husband of
his mother? Here in France there is a theory his biological father was a
Breton aristcrat - has this now been disproved?
>>regards melanie
DNA was collected from hair samples of Napoleon's beard, and matched with
that of a collateral relative, i.e. a male-line descendant of one of
Napoleon's direct male-line ancestors in the Bonaparte male line, perhaps
an uncle or great-uncle, who was not a direct descendant of Napoleon
himself. For these samples to match, it would have to be the case
presumptively that Napoleon's biological father was indeed Carlo
Buonaparte. The same situation occurred with Adolph Hitler's DNA matching
that of a male-line relative, thereby excluding the possibility of an
ancestor from outside the patriarchcal family structure.
The wiki article, to which I have added my own two cents worth, states that
the Corsican Bonapartes were originally of Lombard ancestry. This I doubt
to be the case in the direct male Bonaparte line. Sarzana, their ancestral
place of origin, is an old Tuscan town presently locates in La Spezia,
Liguria. The DNA type would be more consistent with neolithic agricultural
migrations from Northern Africa, or later maritime settlements, e.g.
Phoenicians, Moors, etc.. The similar E1b1b1 haplogroup prevalent
prevalent among Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews is not quite the same as the
Bonaparte E1b1b1c1*.
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Michael O'Hearn
his mother? Here in France there is a theory his biological father was a
Breton aristcrat - has this now been disproved?
>>regards melanie
DNA was collected from hair samples of Napoleon's beard, and matched with
that of a collateral relative, i.e. a male-line descendant of one of
Napoleon's direct male-line ancestors in the Bonaparte male line, perhaps
an uncle or great-uncle, who was not a direct descendant of Napoleon
himself. For these samples to match, it would have to be the case
presumptively that Napoleon's biological father was indeed Carlo
Buonaparte. The same situation occurred with Adolph Hitler's DNA matching
that of a male-line relative, thereby excluding the possibility of an
ancestor from outside the patriarchcal family structure.
The wiki article, to which I have added my own two cents worth, states that
the Corsican Bonapartes were originally of Lombard ancestry. This I doubt
to be the case in the direct male Bonaparte line. Sarzana, their ancestral
place of origin, is an old Tuscan town presently locates in La Spezia,
Liguria. The DNA type would be more consistent with neolithic agricultural
migrations from Northern Africa, or later maritime settlements, e.g.
Phoenicians, Moors, etc.. The similar E1b1b1 haplogroup prevalent
prevalent among Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews is not quite the same as the
Bonaparte E1b1b1c1*.
--
Michael O'Hearn
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Feb 19, 2012, 1:39:13 PM2/19/12
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I have removed the link to a Geni.com project which is not a credible source.
I suspect the other references listed there do not actually state they were Lombards, but I haven't checked them.
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Michael O'Hearn
Feb 19, 2012, 10:59:04 PM2/19/12
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A "good read" on the Bonaparte origins is "Napoleon" by Frank McLynn
(1997). Beginning of Chapter I published by the New York Times available
at:
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/23/books/chapters/0623-1st-mclynn.html?pagewanted=all
There is no mention of Lombard ancestry, which probably derives from a
later embellishment of the account Ugo Buonaparte serving under the Duke of
Swabia in 1122 in the Florentine dispute, as the Lombards were a Suebic
tribe settled in Italy. From there, the story resumes in Sarzana. It
looks like the Arab or Moorish theory wins out based upon their DNA.
--
Michael O'Hearn
(1997). Beginning of Chapter I published by the New York Times available
at:
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/23/books/chapters/0623-1st-mclynn.html?pagewanted=all
There is no mention of Lombard ancestry, which probably derives from a
later embellishment of the account Ugo Buonaparte serving under the Duke of
Swabia in 1122 in the Florentine dispute, as the Lombards were a Suebic
tribe settled in Italy. From there, the story resumes in Sarzana. It
looks like the Arab or Moorish theory wins out based upon their DNA.
--
Michael O'Hearn
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