Robert Bowes of Streatlam

[John Watson]

Hi all,

Dose anyone have evidence of the correct date of death of the Robert
Bowes of Streatlam who married Joan Conyers, daughter of Sir Robert
Conyers of Coatham, Durham and Ormesby Yorkshire and his second wife
Aline de la Ley (widow of William de Dalden).

The traditional pedigrees of the Bowes family state that Robert Bowes
died at the Battle of Baugé in 1421, but looking through the Durham
Cursitor's Records in the 44th & 45th Annual Reports of the Deputy
Keeper of the Public Records (available on Google books) it would seem
that Robert Bowes was already dead by 1408 when his widow had
remarried Thomas Bromflete (whose first wife Margaret St John died on
22 October 1407, according to Mr Richardson's books).

The inquisition post mortem of Aline widow of Robert Conyers was taken
on 28 July 1408 at Durham. Aline, [Joan] aged 30, the wife of Thomas
Brounflete is their daughter and next heir. She had been seized for
life of the moiety of the manor of Hepton, remainder thereof to John
son of the said Robert Conyers for life, remainder over to the heirs
of the said Aline and Robert [1].

Also, at the the inquisition post mortem of Margaret widow of Thomas
de Boyneton, [step-sister of Joan Conyers] held on 29 October 1408 at
Durham it was stated that Johanna, aged 30, the wife of Thomas
Bromfeld and daughter of Robert Conyers and Aline his wife is the next
heir of Robert Conyers and Aline his wife. [2].

The inquisition post mortem of Johanna widow of Thomas Brouneflete
was taken on 8 December 1438 at Bishop Aukland. William Bowes, aged
40, is her son and next heir [3].

Sources:
1. 45th Annual Report of the Deputy Keeper of the Public Records
(London: 1885) p 177
2. 45th Annual Report of the Deputy Keeper of the Public Records
(London: 1885) p 166
3. 44th Annual Report of the Deputy Keeper of the Public Records
(London: 1883) p 317

[TJ Booth_sbc]

On Tuesday, October 7, 2008 at 9:51:05 AM UTC-5, John Watson wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Dose anyone have evidence of the correct date of death of the Robert
> Bowes of Streatlam who married Joan Conyers, daughter of Sir Robert
> Conyers of Coatham, Durham and Ormesby Yorkshire and his second wife
> Aline de la Ley (widow of William de Dalden).

In 2008, John Watson was looking for the correct date of death for Robert Bowes, husband of Joan Conyers, they the parents of William Bowes.[1] As he noted. Robert Bowes had to have d. bef 28 Jul 1408, when Joan was the wife of Thomas Brounflete. Given that date, Watson questioned the statement that Robert Bowes died at the Battle of Baugé in 1421.

Likely John has answered his questions by now, so this note is added for other SGM members. Working on a related matter, it is clear Joan Conyers had 3 husbands. Matt Tompkins' recent expanded IPM transcriptions found on the 'Mapping the Medieval Countryside' website adds new details to the Deputy Keeper sources cited by Watson back in 2008 for Joan's IPM.[2] There is also much evidence in the CP iv:280 entry (and footnotes) for Sir John Fauconberge of Whitton, beheaded and d.s.p. 20 Jul 1405. Sir John was heir of Sir Thomas Fauconberge by first wife Constance de Felton. Sir John's entry states he "m. Joan, widow of Robert del Bowes (son and heir of Sir William del Bowes, of Streatlam, co. Durham) who [like his father] d.v.p. bef 22 Dec 1399 . . [Joan was] dau of Sir Robert Conyers of Ormesby, co. York, by his 2nd wife, Aline, Lady Hamilton."

Footnote (d) adds "It is certain [Robert Bowes] died v.p., for the Inq p.m. on his father, William del Bowes, taken Monday bef Christmas [22 Dec] 1399 states that the heir of the latter was William [mentioned below], aged 8, son of this Robert. . Genealogists however agree in relating that he was slain at the battle of Bauge, 22 Mar 1420/21, in spite of the fact that it is fairly obviosu from the will of his mother Maud, dated 16 Jan 1420 [1420/21] that he was then deceased. It was actually his son, the said William, who was at Bauge, where he was taken prisoner."

Per the recent transcriptions, Joan Conyers d. 6 Nov 1438. Her son and heir, William Bowes knt. is there age 34 years 'and more' (age 36 'and more' in Lincolnshire IPM), a bit younger than in the Deputy Keeper transcription. But according to the 22 Dec 1399 IPM of his grandfather the age 8, so b. bef 22 Dec 1391. Yet another birthdate for William Bowes is suggested in the IPM for his grandmother Matiliis Bowes, widow of William, the ipm dated 28 Apr 1421. Her heir is there said to be "William Bowes, aged 26, son of Robert Bowes son of the said William del Bowes and Matillis".[4] Here again is good evidence that ages stated in ipm's may not be totally accurate. I currently favor the statement of William's grandmother, he was age 26 on 28 Apr 1421.

Joan's properties included Cardington (Bedfordshire), Whitton (Lincolnshire), and Rothersthorpe and Pattishall (Northampton). The properties were granted her and 2nd husband Sir John Fauconberg, son of Thomas by 1st wife Constance de Felton. Per the Northampton IPM, the grants were made by Thomas to his son John and his wife Joan "long bef 18 Rich II", i.e. bef 1394/95. If the date is correct, this would provide an earlier date of death for Robert Bowes.

A revised entry for Joan Conyers and her husbands is as follows, some dates from CP iv:280:
Joan Conyers, b. bef 28 Jul 1378, d. 6 Nov 1438, m.(1) perhaps by 1390, Robert Bowes of Streatlam, b. perhaps 1370, d. bef 22 Dec 1399, m.(2) perhaps 1399, Sir John Fauconberge of Whitton etc., b. perhaps 1375, d.s.p. 20 Aug 1405; m.(3) perhaps 1406, Sir Thomas Brounflete Jr., b. perhaps 1385, d.s.p. bef 31 Dec 1430.

Joan's only surviving issue was her son Sir William Bowes, b. bef 28 Apr 1395, d. bef 11 Oct 1465, who m. perhaps 1415, Joan Greystoke, b. perhaps 1398, d. bef 1418, one of the two daus of Sir Ralph Greystoke by Katherine Clifford. As shown in Plantagenet Ancestry p. 214/215 [sub Clifford], Katherine Clifford is a descendant of King John.

Terry Booth
Chicago IL

Footnotes
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[1] John Watson; Robert Bowes of Streatlam; archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/gen-medieval/2008-10/1223391065
[2] Mapping the Medieval Countryside; E-CIPM 25-193: Joan who was wife of Thomas Brounflete knight, junior; www.inquisitionspostmortem.ac.uk/view/inquisition/25-193/#n131
[3] H.C. Maxwell Lyte; Calendar Patent Rolls; Hen IV Vol 4 [1408-1413], London; PRO; 1909; page 64. URL= sdrc.lib.uiowa.edu/patentrolls/h4v4/body/Henry4vol4page0064.pdf
[4] 45th Annual Report of the Deputy Keeper of the Public Records
(London: 1885) p 169 @ books.google.com/books?id=SPwUAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA169

[jhigg...@yahoo.com]

The references to CP vol. 4 p. 280 in Terry's useful post above should no doubt be to CP vol. 5 instead, which covers the Fauconberge family.

[Douglas Richardson]

Dear John W. and Terry ~

Thank you for your helpful discussion of Joan Conyers, wife successively of Robert Bowes, Sir John Fauconberge, and Sir Thomas Bromeflete, junior. I can add one further record of Joan Conyers. My research indicates that in Hilary term 1427 Joan, then widow of Thomas Bromflete, Knt., junior, sued Thomas Watkynson, of Flixborough, Lincolnshire, husbandman and John Hen[ore?], of Whitton, Lincolnshire, husbandman in the Court of Common Pleas regarding debts. Reference: Court of Common Pleas, CP40/664, image 25f (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT1/H6/CP40no664/aCP40no664fronts/IMG_0025.htm).

In John W.'s post, he referred to Aline, the mother of Joan Conyers, as Aline de la Leye, whereas Terry's post quoting Complete Peerage refers to her as "Aline, Lady Hamilton." John is correct that she was Aline de la Leye. And, she was "lady of Homildon" [not Hamilton] in right of her 1st marriage to William de Dalden.

A pedigree of the De la Leye family is published in Bateson, History of Northumberland 1 (1893): 177-178. The author identifies Aline, wife successively of William de Dalden and Robert Conyers, as the daughter and heiress of Richard de la Leye.

The pedigree may be viewed at the following weblink:

http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=nyp.33433004949578;view=1up;seq=224

Below is an abstract of a fine dated 1366 in which Aline de la Leye and her first husband, William de Dalden, were dealing were lands held of her inheritance. The abstract is taken from Chris Phillips' great website at the following weblink:

http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/fines/abstracts/CP_25_1_181_13.shtml#140

Reference: CP 25/1/181/13, number 140.

County: Northumberland.

Place: Westminster.

Date: One week from St Hilary, 39 Edward III [20 January 1366]. And afterwards two weeks from Holy Trinity, 40 Edward III [14 June 1366].

Parties: Robert de Lambeton' and William de Soureby of Moreton', querents, and William de Dalden' and Aline, his wife, deforciants.

Property: A moiety of the manors of Butell' and Spyndelstane.

Action: Plea of covenant.

Agreement: William de Dalden' and Aline have acknowledged the moiety to be the right of Robert, as that which Robert and William de Soureby have of their gift.

For this: Robert and William de Soureby have granted to William de Dalden' and Aline the moiety and have rendered it to them in the court, to hold to William de Dalden' and Aline, of the chief lords [for the lives] of William de Dalden' and Aline. And after the decease of William and Aline, the moiety shall remain to [Jordan (Jurdanus)], son of William de Dalden' and Aline, and the male heirs of his body, to hold of the chief lords for ever. In default of such heirs, successive remainders (1) to the male heirs of the bodies of [William de] Dalden' and Aline and (2) to the right heirs of William de Dalden'.

Standardised forms of names. (These are tentative suggestions, intended only as a finding aid.)

Persons: Robert de Lambton, William de Sowerby, William de Dawdon, Aline de Dawdon, Jordan de Dawdon

Places: 'Moreton'', Bothal, Spindlestone (in Bamburgh). END OF QUOTE.

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One small correction. Chris Phillips has identified Butell, Northumberland as being Bothal, Northumberland. Mr. Bateson, however, indicates the correct place is actually Budle, Northumberland.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

[johnmw...@gmail.com]

Dear Terry and Douglas,

Thanks for answering my question from 2008. At the time I didn't have access to CP vol. 5. I don't think I can add much to what you have both written, although I haven't done much research on these families recently.

Budle and Spiindlestone are both in the parish of Bamburgh, Northumberland. For anyone visiting that part of the world, Bamburgh castle is well worth seeing.

Regards,

John W.