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Leo
Apr 8, 2012, 7:20:29 PM4/8/12
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This particular Humphrey Walrond had quite an interesting life.
He was born about 1600 and sided with the royalists in the civil war of England. On 3 February 1651 it was established that he had sold all his properties and was gone to Barbados. As it was he had been there since 1649.
On 5 August 1653 King Philip IV of Spain created him Marquess de Vallado, Conde de Parama, Conde de Valderonda and a grandee first class.
In 1624 he married Grace (no surname given) they had 10 children. She petitioned on his behalf on 8 April 1668.
All the above details come from Wikipedia.
According to Burke's Landed Gentry 1937 page 2352. He married Elizabeth Napier who died in 1635.
Did he marry Elizabeth Napier in 1624 and after 1635 Grace? Who was the mother of his ten children?
Can anyone help?
With many thanks.
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia
He was born about 1600 and sided with the royalists in the civil war of England. On 3 February 1651 it was established that he had sold all his properties and was gone to Barbados. As it was he had been there since 1649.
On 5 August 1653 King Philip IV of Spain created him Marquess de Vallado, Conde de Parama, Conde de Valderonda and a grandee first class.
In 1624 he married Grace (no surname given) they had 10 children. She petitioned on his behalf on 8 April 1668.
All the above details come from Wikipedia.
According to Burke's Landed Gentry 1937 page 2352. He married Elizabeth Napier who died in 1635.
Did he marry Elizabeth Napier in 1624 and after 1635 Grace? Who was the mother of his ten children?
Can anyone help?
With many thanks.
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia
Wjhonson
Apr 8, 2012, 9:17:14 PM4/8/12
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You should be suspicious of these points.
The Humphrey who married Elizabeth Colles was a son of the Humphrey admit Inner Temple 1562.
This father died 18 Feb 1616
I would be surprised should the son be so late, and probably there is a mixture here of son and grandson both named Humphrey.
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John
Apr 9, 2012, 12:01:04 AM4/9/12
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[not Humphrey] Walrond, who d. 1616.
As to the grandson Humphrey (son of Humphrey W. and Elizabeth Colles),
the identification of a wife Grace for him probably is based on the
Walrond pedigree in Vivian's edition of the visitations of Devon,
which lists a wife Grace NN for him - but not Elizabeth Napier. OTOH
editions of BLG as recently as 1972 show the wife as Elizabeth Napier
- with no mention of Grace. it's your call, I guess, Leo.
Aside from the detail of this wife, the pedigrees in Vivian and BLG
appear to be largely in agreement on this family.
Graham Milne
Apr 10, 2012, 6:46:23 PM4/10/12
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Graham Milne
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John
Apr 10, 2012, 11:00:35 PM4/10/12
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On Apr 10, 3:46 pm, Graham Milne <grahammilne...@btinternet.com>
wrote:
> I think this family is covered in 'Genealogies of Barbados Families'. They inter-married with the Duke family as perhttp://www.martinstown.co.uk/WEBSITE/DUKE/frames.htm(see the 'Emigration and Exile' link on the menu), which says that Humphrey Walrond married an Elizabeth Duke.
The Humphrey Walrond who married Elizabeth Duke was of a different
branch of the family than the line that Leo is looking into. But I
wouldn't be surprised if Leo's Walrond family is indeed in the
Barbados genealogies book.
Since you bring up the Duke family, do you know if any of these
families are connected to the family of Duke of Castle Jordan in
Ireland?
wrote:
The Humphrey Walrond who married Elizabeth Duke was of a different
branch of the family than the line that Leo is looking into. But I
wouldn't be surprised if Leo's Walrond family is indeed in the
Barbados genealogies book.
Since you bring up the Duke family, do you know if any of these
families are connected to the family of Duke of Castle Jordan in
Ireland?
Wjhonson
Apr 11, 2012, 1:06:59 AM4/11/12
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This Humphrey Walrond of Sea had a wife named Grace
ILMINSTER, CRICKET MALHERBIE deeds DD\CM/196 1638-1656
These documents are held at Somerset Archive and Record Service
11 docts.
Contents:
Deeds relating to the manors of Sea, Hilcombe and Dumpole in Ilminster and Cricket Malherbie, Sea House and Sea Mills, and various parcels of the demesnes of Sea in Ilminster, acquired by William Hilliard of Sea, esq., from Humphrey Walrond of Wells in 1654-6; affecting chiefly Humphrey Walrond of Sea, esq., 1638-49/50, and of Wells 1654/5, and wife Grace, 1638-49/50, and son Geo. W. 1643-54/5; Sir John Strangwaies of Melbury (co. Dorset), knt., 1643; Edm. Wyndham of Kentsford, esq., 1643; Edw. Walrond of the Middle Temple, London, esq., 1643-54/5; Henry Bonner of Waston in Combe St. Nicholas, gent., 1643-49/50; John Preston of Cricket St. Thomas, esq., 1647-9; Robt. Henley of Henley, esq., 1647-50; Wm. Hilliard of Sea, esq., 1649-50; Thos. Gorges of Nynehead, esq., 1656; and Joseph Standerwicke of Ilminster, gent., 1656.
Graham Milne
Apr 11, 2012, 7:41:00 AM4/11/12
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On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 4:00:35 AM UTC+1, John wrote:
> Since you bring up the Duke family, do you know if any of these
> families are connected to the family of Duke of Castle Jordan in
> Ireland?
Sorry, I have no info on this family.
> Since you bring up the Duke family, do you know if any of these
> families are connected to the family of Duke of Castle Jordan in
> Ireland?
Graham Milne
Apr 12, 2012, 12:36:43 PM4/12/12
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On Monday, April 9, 2012 12:20:29 AM UTC+1, Leo wrote:
http://www.happywarrior.org/walrond/DSCF0096.JPG
http://www.happywarrior.org/walrond/DSCF0097.JPG
http://www.happywarrior.org/walrond/DSCF0099.JPG
From Burke's Peerage 1898
J.L.Fernandez Blanco
Apr 12, 2012, 10:20:28 PM4/12/12
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On Sunday, April 8, 2012 8:20:29 PM UTC-3, Leo wrote:
[snip]
I can't find any record of such Spanish titles, much less with the attachment of the Grandeeship to any of them. It looks like pure fantasy to me.
To begin with, the "vizcondados previos" were created with fiscal purposes, as the beneficiaries had to pay a fairly large amount of money in order to obtain them; this meaning that "vizcondados previos" were not bestowed upon anybody for services to the crown, it was just for money.
Once they had paid the money a title was granted (one, not two, much less three and even more impossible with a Grandeeship-be it of first or second class-attached to any of them; of course, this doesn't mean that a descendant of the first concessionary couldn't later received for extraordinary services rendered to the Crown, the highest Spanish title ever "Grande de España"). Once received the "merced" (the actual title) the vizcondado previo disappeared and was never used again. It is known that many non-noble families (also, minor hidalgos) who had acquired substantial wealth in America or in any other Spanish possession in Europe or elsewhere made use and abuse of this system (what is known as the "inflation of titles during the second half of the 17th century).
The article in Wikipedia, based the on Dictionay of National Biography seems, to me, completely absurd regarding this specific issue (I can't say anything about his life as I don't know who he was and he doesn't even have a single short entry in any Spanish encyclopedia).
On the other hand, the list, also published in Wikipedia, of his purported successors to those titles is utterly unsubstantiated (No less than 10 marqueses!). There is no registry whatsoever of them in Spain. I've checked, double checked and triple checked with people from the Consejo Superior de Investigaciones Científicas y Técnicas, Instituto de Genealogía y Heráldica Salazar y Castro, who edit the Elenco de Grandezas y Títulos Nobiliarios Españoles through "Hidalguía"; with the Asociación de Hidalgos a Fuero de España (of which I am a member); with Archivo Histórico Nacional, Sección Nobleza; and the archives from the Ministerio de Gracia y Justicia and haven't been able to find either any title by those denominations or any individual called Walrond / Valrondo (as this last one looks like a Spanish version of the last name).
I don't know, maybe a case of pure "fantasy title(s)?"
If I find anything relevant, I'll revert with the information.
Best wishes,
José Luis.
[snip]
> On 5 August 1653 King Philip IV of Spain created him Marquess de Vallado, Conde de Parama, Conde de Valderonda and a grandee first class.
>
[snip]
>
I can't find any record of such Spanish titles, much less with the attachment of the Grandeeship to any of them. It looks like pure fantasy to me.
To begin with, the "vizcondados previos" were created with fiscal purposes, as the beneficiaries had to pay a fairly large amount of money in order to obtain them; this meaning that "vizcondados previos" were not bestowed upon anybody for services to the crown, it was just for money.
Once they had paid the money a title was granted (one, not two, much less three and even more impossible with a Grandeeship-be it of first or second class-attached to any of them; of course, this doesn't mean that a descendant of the first concessionary couldn't later received for extraordinary services rendered to the Crown, the highest Spanish title ever "Grande de España"). Once received the "merced" (the actual title) the vizcondado previo disappeared and was never used again. It is known that many non-noble families (also, minor hidalgos) who had acquired substantial wealth in America or in any other Spanish possession in Europe or elsewhere made use and abuse of this system (what is known as the "inflation of titles during the second half of the 17th century).
The article in Wikipedia, based the on Dictionay of National Biography seems, to me, completely absurd regarding this specific issue (I can't say anything about his life as I don't know who he was and he doesn't even have a single short entry in any Spanish encyclopedia).
On the other hand, the list, also published in Wikipedia, of his purported successors to those titles is utterly unsubstantiated (No less than 10 marqueses!). There is no registry whatsoever of them in Spain. I've checked, double checked and triple checked with people from the Consejo Superior de Investigaciones Científicas y Técnicas, Instituto de Genealogía y Heráldica Salazar y Castro, who edit the Elenco de Grandezas y Títulos Nobiliarios Españoles through "Hidalguía"; with the Asociación de Hidalgos a Fuero de España (of which I am a member); with Archivo Histórico Nacional, Sección Nobleza; and the archives from the Ministerio de Gracia y Justicia and haven't been able to find either any title by those denominations or any individual called Walrond / Valrondo (as this last one looks like a Spanish version of the last name).
I don't know, maybe a case of pure "fantasy title(s)?"
If I find anything relevant, I'll revert with the information.
Best wishes,
José Luis.
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