The Lords FitzWarin: a Reconstruction
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Hello All,
In 2003, I set forward a reconstruction of the family of the Lords
FitzWarin, based in large part on evidence that Fulk FitzWarin of
Lambourn, co. Berks., Whittington, co. Salop. & c. [usually referred to
as 'Fulk III'] had died before 22 November 1235 [1]. The text on which
this reconstruction was largely founded, provided on that excellent
site, Gazetteer of Markets and Fairs to 1516, reads as follows:
' On 22 Nov 1235, K Hen III granted Hubert Hues that
the market which was accustomed to be held at the manor,
which was formerly held by Fulk fitz Warin, deceased,
was to be revived and to be held as before on Tues.
Mandate to the sh of Leicestershire to proclaim the
market and cause it to be held (CR, 1234–7,p. 210).' [2]
Chris Phillips was kind (and energetic) enough to obtain the actual text
from the CCR, which reads as follows:
"Pro Huberto Hussato. - Rex concessit Huberto Hues' quod
mercatum quod consuevit aliquando teneri apud manerium
de Northbrug', manerio illo existente in manu Fulconis
filii Warini, et quod postea decidit, iterum relevetur et
teneatur singulis septimanis per diem Martis, sicut
prius tenebatur, nisi mercatum illud sit ad nocumentum
vicinorum mercatorum. Et mandatum est vicecomiti
Lic' quod predictum mercatum per totam ballivam
suam clamari et teneri faciat, sicut predictum est.
Teste rege apud Clar', xxij. die Novembris." [3]
Chris noted in examining the text that the reference to 'Fulk fitz
Warin, deceased' given in the Gazetteer text is evidently in error: the
Latin text "et quod postea decidit" indicates that the market had become
defunct, not Fulk. In reading this text, I found that I must concur -
the manor passed to Fulk's daughter as her marriage portion, so that
finding Hubert Huse in possession in 1235 provides no other evidence of
Fulk's then living or not [4].
As a result of this finding, I have reexamined the evidence in hand
concerning the individuals named Fulk FitzWarin for the period 1200-1264
to determine if the previous reconstruction was still valid. Thanks to
the efforts of Chris Phillips and Rosie Bevan, several facts (known or
presumed) have been reconfirmed, while others have undergone
modification.
1. It was proposed that, with Fulk 'III' believed dead in 1235,
that Fulk 'IV' was married twice, first to Clarice d'Auberville
and 2ndly to Constance de Tony.
It is now certain that Fulk, husband of Clarice d'Auberville, and
Fulk, husband of Constance de Tony, were not the same individual.
Rosie has shown that these two were recorded as being married
at virtually the same time: Fulk and Clarice in October 1250
concerning certain rights in Kent, and Fulk and Constance clearly
being married at that time and likely before (their son Fulk,
referenced as 'Fulk V', being born 14 September 1251) [see the
pedigree given below].
2. Those references previously in hand to 'Fulk the younger' (thanks
to Janet Meisel) were problematic, but given the apparent demise
of Fulk 'III' had led to the theory of another Fulk in the
pedigree, possibly the son of Fulk 'IV' who otherwise died in
his father's lifetime before 1264 (and likely before 1257, based
on evidence provided by Meisel).
Chris endeavoured to locate those texts referencing a younger
Fulk ["Fulco filius Warini, junior" or similar] during this
period, so that we could attempt to identify (if possible)
references to specific individuals. This was a significant
source of confusion to many, including Janet Meisel, who had
erroneously concluded that ' after 13 August 1257 there are no
references to a "Fulk, Senior" or a "Fulk, Junior" ' [5].
Three references in particular noted by Chris make it evident
that there was an adult Fulk FitzWarin 'junior' living in 1264,
clearly not the minor son of Sir Fulk who died at Lewes in May
of that year [6]:
A. ' 20 December 1264
Commitment during pleasure to Peter de Monte Forti of the
castle of Whytenton, late of Fulk son of Warin, deceased,
tenant in chief, so that he answer for the issues at the
Exchequer.
Mandate to Fulk son of Warin the younger to deliver it to
him.'
B. ' 12 January 1265/6:
Grant to Fulk son of Warin the younger of the wardship of a
carucate of land in Stamf[ord] late of Fulk son of Warin,
deceased, tenant in chief, during the minority of the heir.'
C. ' 16 April 1266
Whereas the king granted to Fulk son of Warin the younger the
wardship of a carucate of land in Staunton late of Fulk son
of Warin deceased, who held in chief, and before that grant
he had assigned the same land to Constance late the wife of
the said Fulk the elder as part of her dower; he grants to
the said Fulk the younger that he will provide for him in a
ward or escheat of the value of 10 £. '
Given the foregoing, it is clear that another reconstruction of this
family (and correction to the previous proposal) is in order. The
following chart reflects this reconstruction, and in particular:
1. The brief facts concerning Fulk 'III' as given in Complete
Peerage are taken to be reaffirmed, i.e. that he during a
rather long and active life he married (1stly) Maud le Vavasour,
and (2ndly) Clarice d'Auberville.
2. Fulk 'III' likely married Clarice in 1227 or soon thereafter,
his first wife Maud le Vavasour having died in 1226 or before
(1226 being the date of Maud's son Theobald Walter seeking his
rights against Maud's FitzWarin children through suits of " mort
d'ancestor "). Fulk likely died sometime soon after 8 October
1250 (date of the fine with his then wife Clarice concerning
property or other rights in Kent).
3. Mabel, who married (1stly) William de Crevequer and (2ndly)
John de Tregoz, had the manor (or moiety thereof) of Lambourn,
co. Berks. from her father Fulk 'III'. She was the daughter
of Fulk by his 2nd wife, Clarice d'Auberville.
4. Fulk 'the younger', a subject of the above discussion and re:
whom we have apparent references from 1250 to 1257, and again
1264-1266, was evidently a younger brother of Fulk 'IV' (and
clearly not his son). It appears most likely he was a son of
Fulk 'III' by his 2nd wife Clarice d'Auberville: as he was
a tenant in chief in 1257, he was likely born before 1236 [8].
<1> <2>
1) Theobald = Maud le = 2) Fulk ‘III’ FitzWarin = Clarice d'
Walter I Vavasour I m. bef 1 Oct 1207 I Auberville
d. bef 14 I I (to Maud) I m. say
Feb 1205/6 I ____I d. aft 8 Oct 1250 I 1227-1233
_________I ____I____ _I___________
I I I I I
Theobald Hawise Fulk ‘IV’ = Constance Mabel Fulk
Walter =1)bef 1226 FitzWarin I de Tosny = 1)William 'junior'
of Boxted, William b.say F) I de Crevequer b. say
Suffolk & c. Pantulf 1208 I = 2) John de 1228-1233
2)Hubert k. 1264 I Tregoz
Huse I I
I V
I
I
Fulk ‘V’ FitzWarin
b. 14 Sept 1251
= Margaret de la
Pole
I
V
The FitzWarin pedigree (given in a post immediately following this)
provides additional lines of descent from the FitzWarins for the
Pantulfs and le Boteler of Wem (who held the manor of Narborough, co.
Leics.), Le Strange of Wrockwardine (later Lords Strange of Blackmere)
and of course the Lords La Warre, Grandison and others.
Should anyone have any comment, criticism or additional documenta-
tion (supportive or otherwise), please advise.
Meanwhile, good luck, and good hunting to all.
John *
NOTES (to post):
[1] John P. Ravilious, <CP Correction: Fulk 'III' FitzWarin and
His Descendants>, SGM, 3 May 2003.
[2] Gazetteer of Markets and Fairs to 1516 :
www.histparl.ac.uk/cmh/gaz/
cites Calendar of Close Rolls ["(CR, 1234–7,p. 210)"]
[3] Calendar of Close Rolls 1234-1237, pp. 210 - 20
Henry III m. 23 (1235): text and translation (of abstract) provided
by Chris Phillips.
[4] Theobald Walter, half-brother of Hawise, brought suit against Hawise
and her first husband William Pantulf in 1226 to recover Narborough,
co. Leics. [failed]. Cf. Janet Meisel, Barons of the Welsh
Frontier: The Corbet, Pantulf and Fitz Warin Families, 1066-1272,
pp. 98-99.
[5] Meisel, p. 51.
[6] Calendar of Close Rolls 1258-1266, p. 396 - 49 Henry III, m. 26
(1264). Calendar of Close Rolls 1258-1266, p. 534 - 50 Henry III,
m. 34. Calendar of Close Rolls 1258-1266, p. 582 - 50 Henry III,
m. 20. All of the foregoing provide by Chris Phillips.
[7] CP V:495, note (c), sub FitzWarin, which says of Fulk 'IV' :
‘ He was s. and h. of Fulk fitz Warin of Whittington (living Oct.
1250), who m., 1stly, Maud, widow of Theobald Walter, and da. of
Robert le Vavasur (Patent Roll, 9 Joh., m. 5; Fine Roll, mm. II,
8) and, 2ndly, Clarice Dauberville (Fine Roll, 34 Hen. III, m. 2;
Chron. of Fulk FitzWarin, p. 410). ‘
[8] " 1257 Aug 13. Confirmation of a lease made by Fulk s of Warin,
the younger, to Master Simon de Wauton ... of his manor of
Taddelawe at farm for 16 years ... notwithstanding that Fulk
holds of the king in chief elsewhere. " Calendar of Patent Rolls
1247-1258, p. 575, provided by Chris Phillips.
* John P. Ravilious
The...@aol.com
Hello All,
Following is the documentation for the FitzWarin pedigree.
Cheers,
John
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1. "Barons of the Welsh Frontier: The Corbet, Pantulf and Fitz Warin
Families, 1066-1272," Janet Meisel, Lincoln: University of Nebraska
Press.
2. "The Complete Peerage," G. E. Cokayne, 1910 -
The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and
the United Kingdom.
3. "Domesday Descendants," K. S. B. Keats-Rohan, The Boydell Press,
Woodbridge, 2002.
4. "The History and Antiquities of the County of Leicester," John
Nichols, F.S.A., London: Printed By and For John Nichols, 1795,
Vol. I, Appendix XIII: Chartulary of the Honour of Segrave, p. 119,
charters of Thomas de Birkin, William de Flamborough and Nicholas
de Anesty, of lands in Pickwell and Leesthorpe, co. Leics. to
Stephen de Segrave, Vol. II, Pt. II (Gartre Hundred), p. 488 re:
grant of 'Boggeden' and Haverburgh to William de Cantelou, 1237;
pp. 531 et seq., Burton Overy (family of Hugh de Meinill), p. 768
et seq., manors of Pickwell and Leesthorpe (Camville and Curzon),
Vol. III, Pt. I (East Gascote Hundred) - 1800; p. 62 et seq.,
Barrow;, pp. 301 et seq., Launde priory;, pp. 332 et seq.,
Whadborough (charters of Fulk Fitz Warin and family), pp. 353
et seq., Prestwould; pp. 363 et seq., Burton on the Wolds.
5. "Antiquities of Shropshire," The Rev. R. W. Eyton, London: John
Russell Smith, 1855, Vol. 5 - p. 242 (Ludlow), pp. 132 (Banaster)
and 133-142 (Barony of Hastings), Vol. 6 - pp. 350-359 (Meole Brace
and de Bracy).
6. "Delafield : the family history," John Ross Delafield, privately
published:, 1945, cites extract re: FitzWarin from Rev. R. W.
Eyton, Antiquities of Shropshire, .pdf image files provided by
Genealogy.com www.genealogy.com.
7. John P. Ravilious, "CP Correction: Fulk 'III' FitzWarin and His
Descendants," May 3, 2003, GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com, cites Close
Rolls of the Reign of Henry III (1227-1272), Vol. II p. 210, as
cited in the Gazetteer of Markets and Fairs:, and the records of
King's Bench from 1249, as cited by Janet Meisel, Barons of the
Welsh Frontier: The Corbet, Pantulf and Fitz Warin Families,
1066-1272, p. 96.
8. Chris Phillips, "Re: CP Correction: Fulk 'III' FitzWarin and His
Descendants," May 9, 2003, paper copy: library of John Ravilious,
cites Curia Regis Rolls, vol. 16, p. 165 - Trin. Term 23 Hen III
(1239) m. 14, re: Agnes filia Warini;, Excerpta e Rotulis Finium
2:89 (34 Hen III m. 2), re: Clarice, wife of Fulk Fitz Warin;, CCR
1251-53 p. 208 (36 Hen III m. 20d), re: Fulk fitz Warin 'junior'
vs. John le Vavasour, Chris Phillips, c...@medievalgenealogy.org.uk.
9. "Public Record Office Archives," http://www.a2a.pro.gov.uk/
10. "Gazetteer of Markets and Fairs to 1516,"
www.histparl.ac.uk/cmh/gaz/, extracted 5 Nov 2001, Wiltshire
[Bassett], Yorkshire [Salvain] - North Duffield.
11. Chris Phillips, "Some Fitz Warin refs from Cal Pat Rolls 1258-66,"
November 23, 2003, paper copy: library of John Ravilious, cites
Calendar of Patent Rolls 1258-66, Chris Phillips
c...@medievalgenealogy.org.uk.
12. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Clarice, wife of Sir Adam de Everingham (Clarice
la Warre ?)," Feb 19, 2003, email, the...@aol.com (paper copy:
library of John Ravilious, cites MABEL, LATE THE WIFE OF JOHN
TREGOZ - Writ 24 May, 25 Edw I, [BEDFORD] Inq Wednesday after St
Barnabas, 25 Edw I, also CIPM v.7 no.676, the IPM of William de
Grandison (1335).
13. Brian Timms, "The Barons' Letter in reply to the Pope, February
1301," http://www.briantimms.com/baronsletter/background.htm
Seven earls and sixty five barons sealed the letter, which is now
in the Public Record Office.
14. Warfare Between England and Scotland, 1299 - 1301, according to
Documents from the English Government,
www.deremilitari.org/1299.htm
citing E 101/17/29, Names of men at arms staying in the garrisons
of Scottish castles, Nov/Dec 1302.
15. Rosie Bevan, "Re: CP Correction: Fulk 'III' FitzWarin and His
Descendants," May 11, 2003, paper copy: library of John Ravilious,
cites CIPM v IX no. 177, Inq.p.m. of Fulk FitzWarin (d. 1349),
Rosie Bevan, rbe...@paradise.net.nz.
16. Douglas Richardson, "Audley," September 8, 2002, paper copy:
library of John Ravilious, text, line of descent from Ela Longespee,
daughter of William Longespee, Knt. and wife of James de Audley,
Knt., of Heleigh, co. Staffs. (d. ca. 11 June 1272).
17. Leo van de Pas, "Robert Goushill," Aug 15, 1999,
GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com.
18. "The Magna Carta Sureties, 1215," Frederick L. Weis, Th. D., Gen
Pub Co., Baltimore, MD, 5th ed., 1997 (W. L. Sheppard Jr & David
Faris).
19. Chris Phillips, "Re: Fw: CP Correction: Fulk 'III' FitzWarin and
His Descendants," May 18, 2003, paper copy: library of John
Ravilious, cites Calendar of Close Rolls 1318-1323, p. 705: 16
Edward II, m. 10d, re: Mabel FitzWarin (fl. 1323), also Plea Roll
[CP 40/163 Easter 35 Edward I, m. 186] concerning the case re:
Yarkhill, co. Yorks., between John le Vavasour and John Pryde, who
vouched Fulk FitzWarin, also IPMs referencing Mabel FitzWaryn.
20. Chris Phillips, "Re: CP Correction: Fulk 'III' FitzWarin and His
Descendants," May 9, 2003, paper copy: library of John Ravilious,
cites Calendar of Close Rolls 1234-1237, p. 210 - 20 Henry III m.
23 (1235), concerning the renewal of the market at Narborough, co.
Leics., with mandate of the King, 1235, Chris Phillips,
c...@medievalgenealogy.org.uk.
21. "English Baronies: A Study of Their Origin and Descent, 1086-1327,"
I. J. Sanders, Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960.
22. Richard Borthwick, "Gruffydd ap Madoc, Lord of Bromfield, d. 1269,"
May 10, 1997, GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com, citing CP Vol II, p. 231
(re: le Boteler).
23. Paul C. Reed, FASG, "From Charlemagne to Arnold (?)," Jul 29, 1998,
GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com.
24. MichaelAnne Guido, "Descent from Ela de Herdburgh to Diana and Gray
Skipwith," Sept 27, 2001, GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com.
25. Douglas Richardson, "Bishop of Worcester's Kinswoman, Denise le
Boteler," June 1, 2000, GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com.
26. Rosie Bevan, "Re: New Descent from King Henry II," Sept 25, 2001,
GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com.
27. Douglas Richardson, "Plantagenet," Jan 20, 2003, email
royala...@msn.com.
28. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Clemence de Dauntsey, mother of Joan of Wales,"
Nov 20, 2001, GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com, cites IPM of 'Bertraya
filia Willelmi' de Blancminster.
29. Robert O'Connor, "Sir John Pilkington and Margaret de Verdun,"
April 1 , 1999, GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com.
30. William Addams Reitwiesner, "The Children of Joan, Princess of
North Wales," The Genealogist, Vol. 1, No. 1, (Spring 1980), p.
80 et seq.
31. "Ancestors of Edmund de Mortimer," David Utzinger
U...@aol.com, 4 August 2000.
32. Douglas Richardson, "Hastings-Morley," June 28, 2001,
royala...@email.msn.com (direct email).
John Ravilious
Friday, 2 January, 2004
Hello All,
The following pedigree provides details concerning the
Lords FitzWarin and certain descendants. This in part
supports (or at least documents) the reconstruction
previously posted, as well as expanding on individuals and
descents not the immediate subject of that post.
Please advise of any comment, criticism or relevant
documentation (pro or con).
Cheers,
John
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PEDIGREE of the Lords FitzWarin
1 Fulk fitz Warin
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Death: ca 1171[1]
Father: Warin
of Whittington, co. Salop and Alveston, co. Gloucester[2]
held to have been son of a gentleman, Warin, who emigrated from
Lorraine[2] [possibly someone accompanying Adeliza of Louvain, 2nd
wife of Henry I ?]
received gift of manor of Alveston, co. Glocs. 1149 and of
Whadborough,
co. Leics 1156 from Henry II (Meisel, p. 93)[1]
~ usually called 'Fulk I'[1]
Spouse: Eva
Children: Fulk (->1194)
Ralph
Alan
Richard
William
Warin
1.1 Fulk fitz Warin
----------------------------------------
Death: aft 6 Nov 1194[2],[6]
of Whittington, co. Salop and Alveston, co. Gloucester.[2]
'Fulko, son of Fulko fitz Warin', held the manor of Alveston at
Michaelmas 1171 [Delafield p. 608, cites Eyton[5]; 1171 Pipe Roll[6]
]
'Fulcho, son of Fulcho fitz Warin', gave a virgate and a half in
Tadlow,
Cambs. to Shrewsbury Abbey, 'to set at rest a controversy concerning
the
patronage of the Church of Alberburi ' (witnesses: Ralph, Richard and
Warin, sons of Fulcho) [Delafield p. 608[6], cites Eyton VI:103[5] ]
'In 1194 Fulk II, Hawise [de Dinan, his wife], Sibil, and Alan de
Plugenay brought a suit of mort d'ancestor against Herbert Fitz
Herbert for the manor of Stanton (now Stanton Fitzwarren), and a
more detailed record of this suit indicates that Herbert was also
being sued for the manor Calstone.....
Apparently Fitz Herbert won the first round of the suit,
for in a new round of lawsuits beginning in 1228, Fulk III is listed
as
the plaintiff and Peter Fitz Herbert (Herbert Fitz Herbert's son) is
referred to as the tenant of Stanton.' (Meisel, p. 94)[1]
named in gift of son Fulk fitz Warin of land for his foundation at
Alberbury ca. 1220-1230, made
' pro anime mee &.... Fulconis patris mee ...'
(Nichols III/1, p. 332 charter 2)[4]
[dated by Meisel as '1221-26' - p. 91[1]]
~ usually called 'Fulk II'[1]
Spouse: Hawise de Dinan[2]
Death: 1218[1]
Father: Josce de Dinan (-1167)
Marr: bef 1178[1]
Children: Sir Fulk (<1178->1250)
Philip
William (->1228)
John
Richard
Alan
1.1.1a Sir Fulk FitzWarin*
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Death: aft 8 Oct 1250[2],[7],[8]
Birth: bef 1178[1]
knight, of Lambourn, co. Berks., Whittington, co. Salop. and Alveston,
co. Gloucester
Outlawed, then pardoned 15 Nov 1203 (with restoration of castle of
Whittington 17 Oct 1204) [2]
made a grant of Alderton (Alverton ?), co. Salop, confirmed by William
fitz Alan 1195-6. PRO, Alderton [1514/404][9]
held lands in Devon (evidently at Hartland and Buckland) by service of
a
knight's fee, 1211-12 (Meisel, p. 94)[1]
in rebellion against King John following Magna Carta and the invasion
of
Prince Louis: excommunicated, and the manor of Alveston, co. Glocs.
seized, June 1216 (subsequently restored) [Meisel, p. 93][1]
' Fulk fitz Warin ', had charter for a market at Narborough, co.
Leics.
granted between 21 and 24 Oct 1219, by King Henry III to Fulk fitz
Warin, 'To be held at the manor of Nortburg.' Mandate to the sh of
Leicestershire to cause him to have the market. Fulk gave one palfrey
(C 60/11 m.1). 1220, Nova Oblata: Fulk fitz Warin owed one palfrey
(PR,
4 Hen III, p. 36). On 6 Feb 1220, the day of Fulk fitz Warin's market
was changed from Thurs to Tues (RLC, i, p. 411).'[10]
' Fulk fitz Warren ', had charter for a fair at Lambourn, co. Berks.
granted between 21 and 24 Oct 1219, by King Henry III to Fulk fitz
Warren. ' To be held at the manor.' Mandate to the sheriff of
Berkshire
to cause him to have it (C 60/9 m. 1). Nova Oblata: he owed one
palfrey
(PR, 3 Hen III, pp. xx, 115, 162; PR, 4 Hen III, p. 187). Charter
for
a Fair on vfm Matthew (21 Sept) granted by King Henry III unto Fulk
fitz
Warren on 3 Sept 1227 (CChR, 1226-57, p. 58). Order to sheriff of
Berkshire regarding the fair, 1 Sept 1227 (RLC, ii, p. 199).[10]
' Fulco filius Warini ', made a grant of land in Alberbury, co. Salop.
in founding a Benedictine priory, ca 1220-1230,
'... pro anime mee, & Matilde uxoris mee, & Fulconis patris mee, &
Hawise matris mee... de assensu Fulconis filii & heredis mei,...
testibus: Will'o filio Warini, Henrico de Traci, Aldulpho de
Braci,...Hugone de Hoe,..' (Nichols III/1, pp. 332 charter 2)[4]
[dated by Meisel as '1221-26' - p. 91[1]]
fined 600 mks. in 1233 for custody of the lands and heirs of William
Pantulf, his son-in-law (Meisel, p. 46)[1]
held Tadlow, co. Cambs. of Roger de Torpel (Meisel, p. 90)[1]
m. 2ndly Clarice d'Auberville, by whom he had a daughter Mabel
(and possibly, a son Fulk, known as Fulk 'the younger' ):
` Fulk Fitz Warin acknowledges that he gave, conceded and
by his charter confirmed to Mabil, his daughter, for homage
and her service, his entire manor of Lambourn with all
appurtenances, to have and hold for herself and the heirs
of her body of Fulk and his heirs freely, quietly, etc.,
saving religious service, as is described in his charter.'
Meisel, p. 96 citing records of King's Bench for 1249[1]
d. after 8 October 1250:
earliest date of fine by "FULCO FIL' WARINI & CLARIC' ux' ejus "
[previous dated entry 8 October; next is 22 October] - Chris
Phillips,
citing Excerpta e Rotulis Finium 1216-1272, vol. 2: 1246-1272, p. 89
- 34 Henry III (1250), m. 2[8]
he m. 1stly (as 2nd husband) Maud le Vavasour,
2ndly Clarice d'Auberville [cf. CP Vol V, p. 495 note (c) [2]]
_________________________________
Previously, J. Ravilious, in " CP Correction: Fulk 'III' FitzWarin
and
His Descendants "[7] determined that the marriage of Clarice
d'Auberville was to a younger Fulk FitzWarin, due in part to an
erroneous record of the fair at Narborough, co. Leics. in 1235 being
granted after the demise of Fulk FitzWarin [subsequently found to be
a translation error by Chris Phillips]. [7]
~ usually called 'Fulk III'[1]
Spouse: Maud le Vavasour
Death: bef 1227[1]
Father: Robert le Vavasour (-<1228)
Mother: NN de Birkin
Marr: bef 1 Oct 1207[2],[6],[5]
Children: Sir Fulk (-1264)
Hawise
Eve
Other Spouses Clarice d'Auberville [2nd wife]
1.1.1a.1 Sir Fulk FitzWarin
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Death: 14 May 1264, Battle of Lewes (royalist)[8],[2]
knight, of Edlington, co. Yorks.
succeeded his father in Whittington, Salop., Lambourn and Wantage, co.
Berks., Alveston, co. Gloucester, Wantage, and Stanton Fitzwarren,
Wilts.[2]
gift of father Fulk fitz Warin of land for his foundation at Alberbury
ca. 1220-1230 made ' de assensu Fulconis filii & heredis mei,...'
(Nichols III/1, p. 332 charter 2)[4]
acquired Edlington, co. Yorks. on his mother's death ( suit of
'mort d'ancestor' taken against him by half-brother Theobald Walter,
1226) [Meisel, pp. 98-99[1]]
"Fulconi filio Warini seniori" , had gift of one [?]wild boar and one
wild sow from the Forest of Dean, 13 November 1251
[Chris Phillips, citing Calendar of Close Rolls 1251-1253,
p. 7 - 36 Henry III, m. 32 (1251)[8]
defended his possession of Edlington, co. Yorks. against his uncle
John
le Vavasour's suit of mort d'ancestor, 1252 [part of the maritagium
of
Maud le Vavasour, mother of Fulk], (J. Ravilious[7], citing Meisel,
p. 99[1])
held castle of Alberbury of Thomas Corbet, of Caus (ref. suit in
Assize Roll of 1256)[1]
drowned in the Ouse in escaping from Battle of Lewes, 14 May 1264
(CP Vol V, FitzWarin - p. 495)[2]
~ usually called 'Fulk IV'[1]
Spouse: Constance de Tosny
Birth: aft 1232[7],[2]
Death: aft 18 Sep 1265[11]
Father: Ralph (VI) de Tosny (~1190-1239)
Mother: Petronilla de Lacy (->1289)
Children: Sir Fulk (1251-1315)
1.1.1a.1.1 Sir Fulk FitzWarin
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Birth: 14 Sep 1251[2]
Death: 24 Nov 1315[2]
Occ: Lord FitzWarin
of Whittington, Salop; Alveston, co. Gloucester, Wantage, Berks and
Stanton Fitzwarren, Wilts.[2]
' 23 July 1264.
The lands of Fulk son of Warin were in the king's hands (presentation
to Whitinton).' [Chris Phillips, citing Calendar of Close Rolls
1258-1266, p. 338[11]]
following battle of Evesham (Aug 1265), his custody transferred by
King Henry III to Hamo le Strange[1]: his marriage was to Margaret
de la Pole, a niece of Hamo le Strange.
' 8 August 1265:
Wardship of lands and heirs of Fulk son of Warin, tenant in chief,
and marriage of the heirs, granted to Hamo Lestrange. ' [Chris
Phillips, citing Calendar of Close Rolls 1258-1266, p. 435[11]]
12 January 1265/6:
' Grant to Fulk son of Warin the younger of the wardship of a carucate
of land in Stamf[ord] late of Fulk son of Warin, deceased, tenant in
chief, during the minority of the heir.' [Chris Phillips, citing
Calendar of Close Rolls 1258-1266, p. 534 - 50 Henry III, m. 34[11]]
`Fulconis filii Warini', of full age 27 Apr 1273 [ CP Vol V p. 495
note (e), citing CIPM Edw. I, file 3, no. 17][2]
`Fulk, son of Fulk Fitz Warin' , De Banco, Mic. 3 & 4 Edw I
[1274/5], no. 13, m.29. 127
William Brown (ed.), Yorkshire Inquisitions of the Reigns of
Henry III and Edward I (The Yorkshire Archaeological and
Topographical Association, 1892) p.278
~ provided by R. Bevan, 2/21/03 <Re: Clarice, wife of Sir Adam de
Everingham (Clarice la Warre ?)>[12]
' Fulk son of Warin ', had charters for a market and fair at
Alberbury,
co. Salop granted 16 Jun 1284, by King Edward I, ' To be held at the
manor ' (CChR, 1257-1300, p. 275)[10]
summoned to Parliament from 24 June 1295 to 16 Oct 1315 by writs
directed 'Fulconi filio Warini', thereby held to have become 1st
Lord FitzWarin;
`Fulconi filio Warini seniori'from 29 Jul 1314 et seq. (aged 28 or
more)
- Summons to Parliament (writ) - cf CP Vol V, p. 496 and note (e)[2]
'Fulco filius Warini Dns de Whitington ' , one of the barons who
sealed
the Barons' Letter to the Pope, February 1301 (in response to the
Scots
letter to Boniface VIII in 1298, defying the claimed English
superiority) following the Parliament at Lincoln, 13-20 Jan
1300/1[13]
'Sir Fulc fil' Warin', to serve with two knights at the castle of
Terres,
or Carstairs ' For lands in Scotland ', Nov-Dec 1302 ['not yet come']
- [14], cites E 101/17/29
`Fulk son of Fulk fitz Warin' , suit by Robert de Tony concerning
Yarkhill, co. Yorks., 1307 (Richard Pryde called to warrant
`Fulk s. of Fulk fitz W.') - CP Vol. V, p. 495 note (d)[2]
'Fulco filius Warini senior' , Writ of diem (Fine Roll, m. 12),
28 Dec 1315- cf CP Vol V, p. 497 and note (e), citing Accounts
of the Escheator South of Trent in Lansdowne MSS., no. 2821
and Pipe Roll, 10 Edw. II.[2]
~ usually called 'Fulk V'[1]
Spouse: Margaret de la Pole[2]
Death: 11 May 1336[2]
Father: Gruffydd ap Gwenwynwyn of Powys (-1286)
Mother: Hawise le Strange
Marr: bef 25 Feb 1276[2]
Children: Fulk (<1285-<1336), Lord FitzWarin
Hawise
Mabel
1.1.1a.1.1.1 Fulk FitzWarin
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Birth: bef 1 Jul 1285[2]
Death: bef 6 Jun 1336[2]
Occ: Lord FitzWarin
of Whittington, Salop; Alveston, co. Gloucester, Wantage, Berks. & c.
2nd Lord FitzWarin[2]
Spouse: Alianore de Beauchamp
Father: John de Beauchamp (-1283)
Mother: Cicely de Vivonia (-1320)
Children: Fulk (-1349), Lord FitzWarin
1.1.1a.1.1.2 Hawise FitzWarin[17]
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Spouse: Ralph de Goushill
Birth: ca 1274[2]
Death: bef 30 Aug 1294[2]
Father: Sir Piers de Goushill (-<1286)
Mother: Ela de Camoys
Children: Margaret (1294-1349)
1.1.1a.1.1.2.1 Margaret de Goushill
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Birth: 12 May 1294, Whittington, co. Salop[2]
Death: 29 Jul 1349[2]
heiress of Goxhill, co. Lincoln
she m. 1stly Philip le Despenser,
2ndly John de Ros (d. 1339)[17]
Spouse: Philip Le Despenser
Death: 24 Sep 1313[18]
Father: Sir Hugh le Despenser (1260-1326)
Mother: Isabel de Beauchamp (-<1306)
Children: Sir Philip (1313-1349) Le Despenser, of Parlington,
co. York, Alkborough, co. Lincoln and Camoys Manor in
Toppesfield, Essex
1.1.1a.1.1.3 Mabel FitzWarin
----------------------------------------
identified as daughter of Margaret, wife of Fulk FitzWarin:
'1323 April 2 Westminster
Thomas West, Robert Bendyn, knight, Master John de Rediswell, Herman
de Brykendon, John de Burton, and Robert de Caar acknowledge that
they
owe to Margaret, late the wife of Fulk son of Warin, and Mabel her
daughter 200 marks; to be levied, in default of payment, of their
lands
and chattels in cos. Worcester and Oxford.' [Chris Phillips, citing
Calendar of Close Rolls 1318-1323, p. 705: 16 Edward II, m. 10d[19]
the IPM of her nephew Fulk FitzWarin (writ 20 August 1349, Inq. held
at
Abingdon, co. Berks. 21 Sept 1349) states re: Wantage, co. Berks.,
"...Mabel Fitzwarin holds the third part of the said manor for her
life,
of the inheritance of the said Fulk." R. Bevan, CIPM v. IX no.
177[15]
* evidently she had a life interest in a third part
of Wantage, co. Berks. (possibly from her mother's dower ?).
1.1.1a.2a Hawise FitzWarin*
----------------------------------------
had Narborough, co. Leics. as her maritagium:
her half-brother Theobald Walter brought suit of mort d'ancestor
against
Fulk FitzWarin (her brother), Jan 1226 to recover manor of Edlington.
co. York and against Hawise and her husband William Pantulf to
recover
Narborough, co. Leics. [failed] -see Meisel, pp. 98-99[1]
she m. lstly William Pantulf,
2ndly Hubert Huse[7]
Spouse: William Pantulf
Death: Jan 1233[1]
Father: Hugh Pantulf (-1224)
Marr: bef Jan 1226[1],[6]
Children: Elizabeth (-<1246)
Maud (-<1289)
1.1.1a.2a.1 Elizabeth Pantulf
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Death: bef 1246, d.s.p.[21]
coheiress of her father
1.1.1a.2a.2 Maud Pantulf
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Death: bef 6 May 1289[21]
coheiress of her father (sole surviving heiress, 1246[21])
brought suit against Ralph de Hodnet together with her husband 'Ralph
le
Botyler', 1243-4 for the lands held by Roger de Cuneshasel (enfeoffed
by her grandfather Fulk fitz Warin during his custody of the lands of
William Pantulf; Ralph de Hodnet called Fulk fitz Warin to warrant)
[Delafield p. 612[6] ]
Narborough, co. Leics. was part of her inheritance (held by grandson
William le Boteler in 1318[10])
she m. lstly Ralph le Boteler,
2ndly Walter de Hopton[21]
Spouse: Ralph le Boteler
Death: 1281[21]
Marr: bef 1244[21],[5],[6]
Children: William (-<1283)
1.1.1a.2a.2.1 William le Boteler
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Death: bef 11 Dec 1283, d.v.m.[22],[21]
heir of his mother
Spouse: Angharad ferch Gruffydd[22]
Death: aft 22 Jun 1308[22]
Father: Gruffydd 'Maelor' II ap Madog (-1269)
Mother: Emma de Audley
Marr: aft 2 Oct 1261[22]
Children: Anne
John (-1287)
Gawain (-ca1290)
William (1274-<1334)
1.1.1a.2a.2.1.1 Anne le Botiller
----------------------------------------
~ identification as daughter of William le Botiller of Wem is
conjectured
and not proven to date.
Spouse: Gilbert Talbot
Birth: 18 Oct 1276[23]
Death: 24 Feb 1345, Eccleswall, co. Hereford[23],[2]
Father: Richard Talbot (->1300)
Mother: Sarah de Beauchamp
Children: Sir Richard (ca1305-1356), 2nd Lord Talbot
1.1.1a.2a.2.1.2a William le Boteler*
----------------------------------------
Birth: 11 Jun 1274[24]
Death: bef 14 Sep 1334[25],[24]
Occ: Lord Le Botiller
of Wem, co. Salop. and Narborough, co. Leics.
summoned to Parliament by writ, whereby held to have become Lord Le
Botiller[2],[25]
' William le Botiller of Wemme ' , had charters for a market and fair
at Narborough, co. Leics. granted 7 Dec 1318, by King Edward II to
William le Botiller of Wemme (CChR, 1300-26, p. 397). 'To be held at
the manor.'[10]
2nd husband of Ela de Herdeburghe[26]
Spouse: Ela de Herdeburgh
Death: bef 1373[26]
Father: Roger de Herdeburgh (-<1286)
Mother: Ida de Oddingseles (ca1270->1321)
Children: Edmund (-1376)
Edward (-1375)
Ida
Ankaret (-1361)
Denise (-<1376)
Alice
Other Spouses NN
1.1.1a.2a.2.1.2b William le Boteler* (See above)
----------------------------------------
Spouse: NN
Children: William (1296-1361)
Other Spouses Ela de Herdeburgh
1.1.1a.3a Eve fitz Warin*
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she m. 1stly (as 2nd wife) Llywelyn ap Iorwerth,
2ndly William de Blancminster
cf. D. Richardson[27]
Spouse: William de Blancminster[2], of Album Monasterium
Children: Eleanor
Bertraya (-1280)
Joan (->1280)
Maud
Other Spouses Llywelyn 'Fawr' [the Great] ap Iorwerth of Wales
1.1.1a.3a.1a Eleanor de Blancminster*
----------------------------------------
coheiress of father (of Blancminster, or Whitchurch)[2]
'Elynora Extranea', also 'Alienora Le Estrange', IPM of her sister
Bertraya de Blancminster[28]
she m. lstly Robert le Strange,
2ndly Bewes de Knoville[27]
Spouse: Robert Le Strange, of Wrockwardine, co. Salop.
Death: ca 12 Oct 1276[2]
Father: John le Strange (-<1269)
Mother: Lucy de Tregoz
Children: John (-<1289)
Fulk (ca1267-<1323)
Other Spouses Bewes de Knovill
1.1.1a.3a.1a.1 John Le Strange
----------------------------------------
Death: bef 19 Jun 1289, d.s.p.[2]
of Wrockwardine, co. Salop.
1.1.1a.3a.1a.2 Fulk Le Strange
----------------------------------------
Birth: ca 1267[2]
Death: bef 24 Jan 1323[2]
of Sutton Maddock, co. Salop
heir to brother John (d. 1289); inherited Wrockwardine, co. Salop & c.
' Fulco le Estraunge Dns de Corsham ', sixty-eighth of the barons
who sealed the Barons' Letter to the Pope, February 1301 (in response
to the Scots letter to Boniface VIII in 1298, defying the claimed
English superiority) following the Parliament at Lincoln, 13-20 Jan
1300/1[13]
summoned to Parliament from 4 March 1308/9 by writs directed 'Fulconi
Lestraunge', held thereby to have become Lord Strange (of Blackmere)
appointed Seneschal of Aquitaine, 26 May 1322[2]
Spouse: Eleanor Giffard[2]
Father: John Giffard (ca1232-1299)
Mother: Maud de Clifford (-<1285)
Children: John (<1306-1349), Lord Strange (Blackmere)
Elizabeth, m. Robert Corbet of Moreton Corbet
Fulk, of Longnor and Betton
Hamon
1.1.1a.3a.1b Eleanor de Blancminster* (See above)
----------------------------------------
Spouse: Bewes de Knovill
Death: bef 6 Jul 1307[29]
Marr: ca 1276[29]
Other Spouses Robert Le Strange
1.1.1a.3a.2 Bertraya de Blancminster
----------------------------------------
Death: 1280, d.s.p.[28]
'Bertraya filia Willielmi de Blauminster', IPM dated 9 Edw. I
(1280)[28]
1.1.1a.3a.3 Joan de Blancminster
----------------------------------------
Death: aft 1280[28]
'Johann de Barentyne', also 'Johanna de Barentyn uxor domini Willielmi
de Barentyn militis', IPM of sister Bertraya de Blancminster,
1280[28]
Spouse: William de Barenton[28]
1.1.1a.3a.4 Maud de Blancminster
----------------------------------------
'Matilda de Bracy', also 'Matilda uxor Willielmi de Bracy', IPM of
sister Bertraya de Blancminster, 1280[28]
Spouse: William de Bracy[28]
1.1.1a.3b Eve fitz Warin* (See above)
----------------------------------------
Spouse: Llywelyn 'Fawr' [the Great] ap Iorwerth of Wales [1st
husband]
Birth: abt 1173
Death: 11 Apr 1240, Aberconwy[30]
Father: Iorwerth 'Drwyndwn' ap Owain (-~1174)
Mother: Margaret ferch Madog of Powys
1.1.1b Sir Fulk FitzWarin* (See above)
----------------------------------------
Spouse: Clarice d'Auberville [2nd wife]
Death: aft 8 Oct 1250[8]
Father: Hugh d'Auberville (-ca1212)
Mother: Joan
Children: Mabel (-<1297)
Fulk (->1266) 'the younger'
1.1.1b.1a Mabel FitzWarin*
----------------------------------------
Death: bef 24 May 1297[2],[12]
had part of the lordship of Lambourn Hundred, co. Berks as her
maritagium :
` Fulk Fitz Warin acknowledges that he gave, conceded and
by his charter confirmed to Mabil, his daughter, for homage
and her service, his entire manor of Lambourn with all
appurtenances, to have and hold for herself and the heirs
of her body of Fulk and his heirs freely, quietly, etc.,
saving religious service, as is described in his charter.'
Meisel, p. 96, cites records of King's Bench for 1249[1]
probably m. 1stly, William de Crevequer in 1249;
2ndly John de Tregoz (say 1255-1260 ?)[7]
she held the manor of Weston, co. Beds. in dower at her death
(IPM 24 May 1297, cited by Rosie Bevan)[12]
Spouse: John de Tregoz, Lord Tregoz
Death: 21 Aug 1300[2]
Father: Robert de Tregoz (-<1268)
Mother: Juliana de Cantelou (->1285)
Children: Clarice (-<1300)
Sybil (1270-1334)
1.1.1b.1a.1 Clarice de Tregoz
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Death: bef 28 Aug 1300, d.v.p.[2]
eldest daughter and coheir (in her issue) of her father[2]
her son John inherited half of the barony of Ewyas Harold, co.
Hereford
Spouse: Sir Roger la Warre, Lord La Warre
Death: 20 Jun 1320[2]
Father: Sir John la Warre (-<1279)
Mother: Olympia de Folkington
Marr: bef Oct 1276[2]
Children: John (<1276-1347), Lord La Warre
Clarice (->1321), m. Adam de Everingham [CONJECTURED]
Roger
1.1.1b.1a.2 Sybil de Tregoz
----------------------------------------
Birth: 1270, Ewyas, co. Hereford[31]
Death: 12 Oct 1334[31]
Burial: Dore Abbey
2nd daughter and coheiress.
Lands of Sir John Tregoz ordered to be divided between his heirs, 26
Nov 1300[2] [her portion evidently included Lambourn, co. Berks or a
moiety thereof][1]
she inherited half of the barony of Ewyas Harold, co. Hereford[21]
probably 2nd wife of William de Grandison[32]
Spouse: Sir William de Grandison, Lord Grandison
Birth: Lake Neufchatel, Suisse[31]
Death: 27 Jun 1335[31]
Father: Pierre de Grandison (~1190-1263)
Mother: Agnes de Neuchatel
Marr: abt 1285
Children: Piers
John
Thomas
William
Otes
Matilda
Katherine (~1304-)
Agnes
Mabel
1.1.1b.1b Mabel FitzWarin* (See above)
----------------------------------------
Spouse: William de Crevequer [1st husband]
Death: bef 6 Apr 1263, d.v.p., d.s.p.[2],[12]
Father: Hamo de Crevequer (-1263)
Mother: Maud d'Avranches
Marr: ? 1249[1]
1.1.1b.2 Fulk FitzWarin
----------------------------------------
Death: aft 16 Apr 1266[11]
Fulk 'the younger'
'Fulco filius Warini, junior' , held the manor of Bausley [in
Alberbury],
co. Salop. of Thomas Corbet, 1250 (see Meisel, p. 51 - which
identifies
this individual as 'Fulk IV')[1]
"Fulconi filio Warini juniori", had gift of the King of two deer
from the forest of Axiholt'. 28 June 1253.
[Chris Phillips, citing Calendar of Close Rolls 1251-1253,
p. 381 - 37 Henry III, m. 7 (1253)[8]
'Fulk s of Warin, the younger' , confirmation of 13 August 1257 of a
lease of the manor of Tadlow, co. Cambs. :
" 1257 Aug 13. Confirmation of a lease made by Fulk s of Warin,
the younger, to Master Simon de Wauton ... of his manor of
Taddelawe at farm for 16 years ... notwithstanding that Fulk
holds of the king in chief elsewhere. "
[Chris Phillips, citing Calendar of Patent Rolls 1247-1258, p. 575][8]
* Simon de Wauton (Walton) was afterwards Bishop of Norwich,
1258-1266. Meisel (p. 90) evidently thought he was already Bishop,
and that the lease was a sale, as she wrote that " The Fitz Warins
appear to have remained in possession in Tadlow until 1257, when
Fulk IV leased this manor to the bishops of Norwich."(p. 90)[1]
' 23 July 1264.
The lands of Fulk son of Warin were in the king's hands (presentation
to
Whitinton).' [Chris Phillips, citing Calendar of Close Rolls
1258-1266,
p. 338[11]]
' 20 December 1264
Commitment during pleasure to Peter de Monte Forti of the castle of
Whytenton, late of Fulk son of Warin, deceased, tenant in chief, so
that he answer for the issues at the Exchequer.
Mandate to Fulk son of Warin the younger to deliver it to him.'
[Chris Phillips, citing Calendar of Close Rolls 1258-1266, p. 396
- 49 Henry III, m. 26 (1264)[11]]
12 January 1265/6:
' Grant to Fulk son of Warin the younger of the wardship of a carucate
of land in Stamf[ord] late of Fulk son of Warin, deceased, tenant in
chief, during the minority of the heir.' [Chris Phillips, citing
Calendar of Close Rolls 1258-1266, p. 534 - 50 Henry III, m. 34[11]]
16 April 1266
' Whereas the king granted to Fulk son of Warin the younger the
wardship of a carucate of land in Staunton late of Fulk son of Warin
deceased, who held in chief, and before that grant he had assigned
the
same land to Constance late the wife of the said Fulk the elder as
part
of her dower; he grants to the said Fulk the younger that he will
provide for him in a ward or escheat of the value of 10 £. [Chris
Phillips, citing Calendar of Close Rolls 1258-1266, p. 582
- 50 Henry III, m. 20[11]]
The entries in Calendar of Patent Rolls 1258-1266 make it apparent the
references to Fulk 'Junior' are concerning a younger son of Fulk
'III'[11]
1.1.2 Philip FitzWarin
----------------------------------------
witness together with his brother Fulk of a deed re: Wilderley, co.
Salop, ca. 1204/5 [Delafield p. 610[6], cites Eyton VI:259[5] ]
1.1.3 William FitzWarin
----------------------------------------
Death: aft 28 Oct 1228[10]
of Odell, co. Beds.
' Will'o filio Warini ', witness to gift of brother Fulk fitz Warin of
land for his foundation at Alberbury ca. 1220-1230 (Nichols III/1,
p. 332)[4]
'William son of Warin', had charter for a market at Odell (Wahull),
co. Beds. granted 1221, by King Henry III. In 1221, William fitz
Warin
owed 100s. for having a market at Wahull. He paid 100s. for having a
Thurs market, to be held until the king came of age (C 60/16 m. 8;
PR, 5 Hen III, p. 63). On 27 Jan 1223, the sh of Northampton was
ordered to forbid William son of Warin's market at Waihull, if it
was detrimental to R. earl of Chester and Lincoln's market at
Olney, Buckinghamshire (q.v.) (RLC, i, p. 531).[10]
'William fitz Warin', had charters for a market (mercatum) and fair
(feria), granted 14 Dec 1225, by King Henry III, ' To be held at
Prestmede, Herefordshire, until the king came of age. Mandate to the
sh of Herefordshire to take a palfrey from him' (C 60/24 m. 8). On
28 Oct 1228, K Hen III pardoned William fitz Warin for the 5m.
demanded from him by summons of the Exchequer of the fine made with
the king for having a certain market at the manor of Presthemede,
which certain manor he did not hold. Mandate to the sh of
Herefordshire
that he was to have it in peace (CR, 1227-31, p. 139).[10]
1.1.4 John FitzWarin
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1.1.5 Richard Fitz Warin
----------------------------------------
'Richard brother of Fulk and Alan his brother', witness to
confirmation
by William fitz Alan of grant by brother Fulk FitzWarin, ca.
1195-6[9]
1.1.6 Alan FitzWarin
----------------------------------------
of Wantage, co. Berks.
held a moiety (£ 10 of land) in Wantage, according to suits against
Fulk
fitz Warin, 1239-1241 (Meisel, p. 99)[1]
'Richard brother of Fulk and Alan his brother', witness to
confirmation
by William fitz Alan of grant by brother Fulk FitzWarin, ca.
1195-6[9]
held a market at Wantage, co. Berks. 1217 under an existing grant to
his
father:
'In a letter dated 28 Jul 1217, K Hen III informed the sh of Berkshire
that he had conceded to Alan fitz Warin a fair at Wantage, just as it
had previously been granted to Alan's father by W. Marshall, `our
keeper and the keeper of our kingdom'. The sheriff was ordered to
cause Alan to have the fair without delay (RLC, i, p. 317b).'[10]
1.2 Ralph fitz Warin
----------------------------------------
' Radulpho ', witness to father's gift of land in 'Burgness' co.
Leics.
before 1190 (temp. Hen II). (Nichols III/1, p. 333 charter 3)[4]
witness to gift of his brother Fulk to Shrewsbury Abbey, 'to set at
rest
a controversy concerning the patronage of the Church of Alberburi '
[Delafield p. 608[6], cites Eyton VI:103[5] ]
1.3 Alan fitz Warin
----------------------------------------
' Alano ', witness to father's gift of land in 'Burgness' co. Leics.
before 1190 (temp. Hen II). (Nichols III/1, p. 333 charter 3)[4]
1.4 Richard fitz Warin
----------------------------------------
Occ: cleric
' Ric'o Clerico ', witness to mother's gift of land. (Nichols III/1,
p.
333 charter 5)[4]
witness to gift of his brother Fulk to Shrewsbury Abbey, 'to set at
rest
a controversy concerning the patronage of the Church of Alberburi '
[Delafield p. 608[6], cites Eyton VI:103[5] ]
1.5 William fitz Warin
----------------------------------------
' Will'o fratribus ejus ', witness to mother's gift of land. (Nichols
III/1, p. 333 charter 5)[4]
~ fratribus ref. to prior mention as witness of brothers Ralph, Alan
and Richard[4]
1.6 Warin fitz Warin
----------------------------------------
witness to gift of his brother Fulk to Shrewsbury Abbey, 'to set at
rest
a controversy concerning the patronage of the Church of Alberburi '
[Delafield p. 608[6], cites Eyton VI:103[5] ]
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[DOCUMENTATION provided in next post]
Cristopher Nash
can't claim to've taken it all in yet, but looks extr. appealing, and
should convince a lot of FitzFulking sceptics out there, I'll Warin.
Cris
--
Chris Phillips
> As a result of this finding, I have reexamined the evidence in hand
> concerning the individuals named Fulk FitzWarin for the period 1200-1264
> to determine if the previous reconstruction was still valid.
Many thanks for posting that updated reconstruction of the FitzWarin
pedigree. I think it's consistent with all the evidence I've seen.
The remaining oddness is that Fulk 'IV' produced his son and heir so late
(having presumably married shortly before 1250). If I remember correctly
(but can't find in my notes at the moment) we have a record of a projected
marriage for him around 1230, so perhaps it's a question of an earlier
marriage that was childless (or at any rate produced no sons).
I wonder if there's still a slight possibility of Fulk 'IV' being a grandson
of Fulk 'III' - maybe with the intervening Fulk having died before his aged
father? But I don't think we have any evidence of that, and I think the
known wives have to be assigned as you have them, so probably it's better to
leave the presumed tree as you have it unless any more awkward evidence
surfaces.
Chris Phillips
Louise Staley
Many thanks for these summaries of these major families. I, for one,
appreciate your work very much.
I do have a question about the children of Sir Fulk Fitzwarin, 1st Lord
Fitzwarin and Alainor Beauchampe of Hatch.
I have a second son of this couple, Sir William Fitzwarine K.G. d. 1361 of
plague, married to Amice Haddon. Have I placed him in the wrong place?
My source is www.britannia.com which I appreciate is hardly the best
source.
"In the early 13th century, King John's adversary, Fulk FitzWarin of
Whittington (Salop), seems to have got hold of the Manor of Wantage from
the Earl of Pembroke. The house stood somewhere in the region of Court
Close (also the traditional site of the old Saxon Palace). Fulk was a
famous outlaw and, though he rented Wantage out to the Fettiplaces, one of
his many escapades was centred on Windsor Forest (See also The Village (Old
Windsor)). In 1295, his grandson, Fulk FitzWarin, 1st Baron FitzWarin of
Whittington, and his wife, Princess Margaret of Powys-Wenwynwyn, bought the
manor outright. In the parish church, there is a fine effigial monument to
their grandson, William La Frere FitzWarin KG, Baron FitzWarin of Wantage.
Although he lived in the manor house, it was actually owned by his brother,
hence the appendage to his name. He died of the Pestilence in 1361. Nearby
is another memorial that may have originally lain in the north FitzWarin
Chapel (now occupied by the organ). It is to William's son, Lord Ivo
FitzWarin (1414), and is described as one of the finest monumental brasses
in England. He stands five foot tall in full armour and has a moustache,
unusual in brasses. This man was supposedly the father-in-law of the famous
Dick Whittington. Lord Ivo (alias Hugh), as well as being a landed lord and
a soldier who served with the Duke of Gloucester at the Siege of Nantes,
was a rich merchant with premises in Leadenhall Street in London. It was
here that he took in the poor orphaned Dick who went on to marry his
daughter, Alice, and become three times Mayor of the City."
http://www.britannia.com/history/berks/wantage.html
regards
Louise
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>
> 1.1.1a.1.1.1 Fulk FitzWarin
> ----------------------------------------
> Birth: bef 1 Jul 1285[2]
> Death: bef 6 Jun 1336[2]
> Occ: Lord FitzWarin
>
> of Whittington, Salop; Alveston, co. Gloucester, Wantage, Berks. & c.
> 2nd Lord FitzWarin[2]
>
> Spouse: Alianore de Beauchamp
> Father: John de Beauchamp (-1283)
> Mother: Cicely de Vivonia (-1320)
>
> Children: Fulk (-1349), Lord FitzWarin
>
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John Ravilious
Dear Louise,
Indeed, I have the same placement for Sir William FitzWarin of
Wantage
as you show. However, this is based on secondary information - I
have not
sought out confirmation as of yet in earlier sources, so the
appropriate
measure of salt would still be advisable.....
Note that an earlier branch of FitzWarins of Wantage started with
Alan, younger son of Fulk 'II' FitzWarin (d. aft 6 Nov 1194) and his
wife Hawise de Dinan. I show that he held a moiety (£ 10 of land) in
Wantage,
according to suits against his brother Fulk fitz Warin, 1239-1241
[Meisel, p.
99], and that 'Richard brother of Fulk and Alan his brother' were
witnesses
to a confirmation by William fitz Alan of a grant by their brother
Fulk
FitzWarin, ca. 1195-6 [PRO, Alderton [1514/404] ]. Alan Fitz Warin
held a
market at Wantage, co. Berks. 1217 under an existing grant to his
father:
'In a letter dated 28 Jul 1217, K Hen III informed the sh of
Berkshire
that he had conceded to Alan fitz Warin a fair at Wantage, just
as it
had previously been granted to Alan’s father by W.
Marshall, ‘our keeper
and the keeper of our kingdom’. The sheriff was ordered to
cause Alan to
have the fair without delay.' [Gazetteer of Markets and Fairs to
1516,
cites RLC, i, p. 317b.]
This earlier line of FitzWarins of Wantage evidently petered out
(I
think with a son of Alan), and as lord of Wantage, Fulk 'VI'
FitzWarin
(d. bef 6 Jun 1336) granted the manor to his younger son William, to
be held
of his son and heir Fulk (who d. 25 Jul 1349).
As soon as I have something more definite (read 'original'), I
will
surely pass it on.
All the best meanwhile,
John
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John Ravilious
Dear Chris,
Thanks for your message; my response(s) to your points are
interspersed below.
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The chronology as we now have it, with Fulk 'IV' being born say
1208-1212, and his son by Constance de Tony - Fulk 'V' - being born 14
Sept 1251, is what initially led me to the belief that there was a
missing generation involved - hence my earlier reconstruction. Given
the evidence you found in the Calendar of Close Rolls as to an adult
'Fulk the younger' being active ca. 1264-1266, as it stands right now,
it would be extremely cumbersome to fit a 4th Fulk into the period of
ca. 1250-1251.
If some evidence were found of a marriage (consummated or not)
ca. 1230 or so for Fulk 'IV', prior to Constance de Tony, it would
provide I think 100% confidence in the present reconstruction.
Again, Chris, my thanks for all you do.
John
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> Chris Phillips
Ivor West
Fulk IIIa (1207 - 1250) who married first NN (1210 - 1230) and second
Clarice (1210? - 1250) ? NN could then be mother of Fulk IV the Elder
who if (1230)-1264 would be more of an age to marry Constance
(1233) - 1286. Clarice could then be mother of a younger half-brother
of Fulk IV, Fulk IVa the Younger (1232) - (1266).
Splitting Fulk IV like this would even out the generation age
difference of his marriage and also, by displacing Clarice to the
intervening Fulk, that of Fulk III as well, assuming Clarice was born
c1210, that is.
Ivor West
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Chris Phillips
Ivor West wrote:
> Would it not work better chronologically if there were an intervening
> Fulk IIIa (1207 - 1250) who married first NN (1210 - 1230) and second
> Clarice (1210? - 1250) ? NN could then be mother of Fulk IV the Elder
> who if (1230)-1264 would be more of an age to marry Constance
> (1233) - 1286. Clarice could then be mother of a younger half-brother
> of Fulk IV, Fulk IVa the Younger (1232) - (1266).
>
> Splitting Fulk IV like this would even out the generation age
> difference of his marriage and also, by displacing Clarice to the
> intervening Fulk, that of Fulk III as well, assuming Clarice was born
> c1210, that is.
I agree that this would be chronologically appealing, but there is a problem
in the shape of the French romance of Fulk fitz Warin, which definitely
makes Fulk III the husband of Clarice:
"E ni a geres apres morust dame Mahaud de Caus, sa femme, e fust enterree en
cele priorie. E, bone piece apres qe cele dame fust devye, Fouke esposa une
molt gentile dame, dame Clarice de Auberville; e de la une e lautre dame
engendra bials enfauntz e molt vaillauntz."
[From p. 410 of the Rolls Series edition (no 66), available at
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ as N050317]
The following recounts how Fulk and Clarice were lying asleep together when
he was blinded, as a penance for his youthful misdeeds.
Perhaps this could be wrong, but the romance comes from the late 13th
century (and if I remember correctly Janet Meisel in her book discusses
whether it was written before or after the battle of Lewes, so it may have
been written very soon after Fulk's death, and maybe even in Clarice's
lifetime). I'd be reluctant to go against it without definite evidence.
But I don't think the same objection would apply to a similar scheme
omitting the marriage to Clarice (i.e. a Fulk IIIa with a single
unidentified wife, perhaps dying in his father's lifetime).
Chris Phillips
Louise Staley
I have also now gone looking for this William and I find the following
passage in the will of Sir Ivo, his son. This make Margaret his
grandmother, not Alianor Beauchamp.
"shall celebrate daily for ever a mass at the altar of St. John the
Baptist, founded in the eastern aisle of the parish church of Wantynch to
the honour of God and the blessed Virgin Mary and of all Saints, and for
the soul of Margaret, mother of Sir William FitzWaryn, knight; and for the
souls of William and Annie, his wife; of Ivo FitzWaryn, knight, founder of
this chauntry. son of the aforesaid William ; and of Maud, wife of the said
Ivo, and their heirs."
1. Margaret
2. William Fitzwarine = Annie (Amice Haddon)
3. Ivo Fitzwarine = Maud
Louise
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