Google Groups no longer supports new Usenet posts or subscriptions. Historical content remains viewable.
Dismiss

Crypto-Jews (was Hispanic-American Medieval and Gateway Ancestors)

286 views
Skip to first unread message

DP...@aol.com

unread,
Feb 2, 2004, 3:08:22 PM2/2/04
to
Dear History Writer:

Have you run into any good sources
on so called "Crypto-Jewish" Hispanic-
American ancestry ? The few sites I've
reviewed, it seems to be widely alluded to,
but seldom convincingly documented.


Best regards, Steve

Francisco Antonio Doria

unread,
Feb 2, 2004, 5:38:31 PM2/2/04
to

Of Portuguese ancestry in Brazil: there is a lot, and
very well documented.

fa

--- DP...@aol.com escreveu: > Dear History Writer:

______________________________________________________________________

Yahoo! GeoCities: 15MB de espaço grátis para criar seu web site!
http://br.geocities.yahoo.com/

D. Spencer Hines

unread,
Feb 2, 2004, 8:24:37 AM2/2/04
to
What is the term supposed to mean?

DSH

<DP...@aol.com> wrote in message news:67.2164e86...@aol.com...

Jon Meltzer

unread,
Feb 2, 2004, 9:34:14 PM2/2/04
to

"D. Spencer Hines" <D_Spenc...@usa.yale.edu> wrote in message
news:qXATb.210$Dr3....@eagle.america.net...

> What is the term supposed to mean?

Jews that "converted" to escape the 15th century Spanish persecutions, but
secretly continued to practice Jewish rites.

History Writer

unread,
Feb 3, 2004, 7:57:14 PM2/3/04
to
Last night, I posted this response to Steve's question and even
received a comeback from google, but it never appeared in
soc.genealogy.medieval. So here it is again:

Thanks for the question. Those interested in "Cryto-Jewish" Hispanic
ancestry in the Northern Mexico should read "The Conquistadores and
Crypto-Jews of Monterrey" by David T. Raphael (2001), available from
Borderlands Books in San Antonio, (borderlandsbooks.com). On its web
page, Borderlands has a section on books about Sephardic Jewry in
Mexico, Texas and New Mexico. Raphael's book surprisingly is missing
from Borderland's Jewish section, so to find it, you must type it in
the search area.

For those who do not know the term, Crypto-Jews are Christians of
Jewish origin who secretly maintained Jewish religious traditions.
The Inquisition fought strongly against them and starting in the 1590s
executed (i.e. burned) in Mexico City the practicising Jewish
relatives of the 1st Governor of Nuevo Leon, Portugese Luis de
Carvajal, who died in prison. Raphael in his book links the Carvajals
by marriage to Gaspar Castano de Sosa, an early explorer of New
Mexico, who is also believed to have been of Portugese Jewish
ancestry. Thousands of persons with ancestry in Northern Mexico are
descended from Gaspar's brother Baltasar de Sosa and his Portugese
wife Ines de Rodriguez (or more correctly Rodriques). (Ines Rodriguez,
wife of Baltasar de Sosa, is my matrilineal line ancestress 16
generations back -- I have her MtDNA. She is sometimes said to be the
daughter of Diego de Montemayor, first Mayor of Monterrey, and his
first wife Ines de Rodriguez. However, I do not agree with this since
Montemayor, who is reportedly from Malaga, is not reported as being
Portugese and the timing is problematic.)

Raphael also devotes a few chapters to the Jewish origins of the Garza
and Trevino families of Monterrey, from whom almost everyone with
colonial ancestry in Northeastern Mexico is descended. The founder of
the Garza-Trevino family was from Lepe, Huelva, Spain and arrived in
Monterrey in the 1590s.

The web site for the Villarreal family of Monterrey
(http://members.aol.com/daniel5822/Welcome.html) explores that
family's Jewish origins and shows a yellow Star of David on the
Villarreal family coat of arms.

I have also posted before that Juan de Onate, who led the first
permanent settlement into New Mexico is the great-grandson of converso
Pedro de Maluenda, who was with Cortes in the 1520s and whose
great-grandmother was a sister of the Bishop of Burgos, Pablo de Santa
Maria (ne Salamon Halevy). See Spring 1998 issue of the Colonial
Latin American Historical Review CLAHR 7:2 Special issue on Juan de
Oñate's 1598 entrada into New Mexico for the article "New Light on the
Jewish-converso Ancestry of Don Juan de Oñate: A Research Note" by
José Antonio Esquibel.

Santa Maria descendants include much of the Spanish nobility. Among
them is Eufrasia de Guzman, mistress of King Philip II of Spain, (and
mother of his only known natural son, the Prince of Ascoli), and
possibly Maria de Salinas, Baroness Willoughby de Eresby, ancestress
of many British nobles. Best Regards

History Writer

unread,
Feb 4, 2004, 5:49:22 PM2/4/04
to
Maybe I should not be so skeptical. I found the rootsweb postings for
Sephardic ancestry, there on Jan 3, 2004, "Esther" posted the
following in which she states she has apparently seen the baptismal
record for Ines Rodriguez, who later became the wife of Balthasar
Castano de Sosa, and that this Ines was in fact the daughter of Diego
de Montemayor and his first wife Ines Rodridguez. So I can now
actually go back 17 generations in my matrilineal line. Ines, wife of
Baltasar Castano de Sosa, obviously is not Portugese, though her
husband was. Now to find out more about Diego de Montemayor's first
wife. Best Regards

Here is what I posted on Feb 3, 2004:

> (Ines Rodriguez, wife of Baltasar de Sosa, is my matrilineal line ancestress > 16 generations back -- I have her MtDNA. She is sometimes said to be the
> daughter of Diego de Montemayor, first Mayor of Monterrey, and his
> first wife Ines de Rodriguez. However, I do not agree with this since
> Montemayor, who is reportedly from Malaga, is not reported as being
> Portugese and the timing is problematic.)
>

Here is what "Esther" posted on Jan 3, 2004:

----Original Message Follows----
From: eahe...@att.net
To: SEPHA...@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Surnames: Cavazos, Saenz, Velazquez, Acosta & Reyna,
all
Sephardic
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 17:55:05 -0700

http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CtB.2ACIAE/107.2.1.1.2.1

Message Board Post:

I did see a photocopy of the baptism of his daughter for this first
marriage. The baptism was recorded in Mexico City. She was actually
born
in Tampico but the baptism was recorded in Mexico City. I forget what
year
154? or 155?
That is part of database where the baptisms and marriages for Mexico
City
were recorded and indexed. This work was not done by the LDS. I have
been
waiting for the CD rom to be made available to the public. The
researchers
spoke only spainish. I saw a demo of the database at a genealogical
conference in Corpus Christi. That was one of the records displayed
for the
conference. They flipped the record up for display. You could see
tht the
parents were Diego Montemayor and Inez Rodriguez.

As to to the Castano de Sosas being cousins of Luis Carabjal. I
don't
know. I know of a researcher Art? Bloomer that has done a lot of
research
on the these lines. His genealogy on www.rootsweb.com show this
relationship. I know there are alot ot repeative names between the
Carbajals and the Castano de Sosa decendants. Israel Cavazos Garza,
historian of Monterrey, has written histories that claimed Diego
Rodriguez
was the grandson of Diego Montemayor and the son of Baltasar Castano
de Sosa
and the daughter of Diego Montemayor. That the families came to the
new
world together can be signifant. Family groups often traveled
together.
The passenger lists for the voyage to the new world shows these
families
together. The University of Texas has a copy of the passenger list of
the
Carbajal voyage that landed at Tampico.

I hope this helps.

Esther"

0 new messages