Alice Tunstall
LEA...@aol.com
Tunstall of Thurmond Castle ca. 1460 who married Sir Thomas Parre?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Sincerely,
MichaelAnne Guido
Alan B. Wilson
I haven't submitted a monster for some time. This will be in
sections. I hope those who do not find anything of interest in this will
be forgiving.
Some of the data I've recently transcribed from the LDS Ancestral
File without further confirmation. I hope I have not introduced clerical
errors. Anyhow I will be pleased if anyone would take the time to review
this and post corrections as needed.
First Generation
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1 Alice TUNSTALL.[75],[188],[553, 9HKB-2S] Born ca 1415. Of Thurland
Castle (Lancs).[75, @],[553, *@]
Alice married Thomas PARR Sir[74],[75],[188],[338],[553, 9GTX-1V].
Second Generation
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2 Thomas TUNSTALL Sir.[75],[188],[338],[553, 9HQ4-8J] Born ca 1358. Of
Thurland Castle (Lancs).[75, @],[553, *@] Thomas died bef 1416.[188,
+],[553, + (1415)]
Thurland Castle (Lancs) is 2&1/2 m. W. Burton-in-Lonsdale.
ca 1382 Thomas married Isabel HARINGTON. [553, =@]
3 Isabel HARINGTON.[188],[553, 9HQ4-9P] Born ca 1364 in Brearley (Yorks)
England.[553, *@]
Third Generation
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4 William TUNSTALL.[553, 18FG-W7X] Born ca 1334 in Thurland (Lancs)
England.[553, *@]
ca 1356 William married Alice LINDSEY.[553, =@]
5 Alice LINDSEY.[553, 18FH-1H8] Born ca 1338. Of Thurland (Lancs)
England.[553, *@]
6 Sir Nicholas de HARINGTON.[74, 34:33],[553, 8Q43-V3] Born in 1345 in
Farleton (Lancs) England.[74, *],[553, @] Nicholas was alive in 1397.[74]
7 Isabella ENGLISH.[553, 9N28-00],[74, See 34:33] Born ca 1351 in (Lancs)
England.[553, *@]
Fourth Generation
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8 Henry TUNSTALL.[553, 18FH-1N9] Born ca 1308 in Preston (Lancs)
England.[553, *@]
10 Philip LINDSEY.[553, 18FH-1FT]
12 Sir John de HARINGTON.[553, 8Q42-FP],[74, 34:32] Born ca 1304 in
Aldingham (Lancs) England.[553, *@] John died in 1359.[74, +]
13 Katharine BANNISTER.[553, 9N28-5T],[74, See 34:32] Of Farleton (Lancs)
England.[553, @]
14 William ENGLISH.[553, 9N28-D2],[74, See 34:33] Born ca 1326.[553, *]
Lived at: (Cumb) England.[74]
Fifth Generation
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16 John TUNSTALL.[553, 18FG-Z63] Born ca 1272. Of Tunstall (Lancs)
England.[553, *@] John died ca 1315.[553, +]
ca 1300 John married Gundreda.[553, =@]
17 Gundreda.[553, 18FH-16D] Born ca 1282, Of (Lancs) England.[553, *@]
24 Sir John de HARINGTON Lord Harington.[553, 9MZV-R5],[74, 34:31] Born ca
1281. Of Aldingham (Lancs) England.[74, *],[553, *@] John died on 2 Jul
1347.[74, +] Buried in Carmel Church.[553, @]
25 ? Margaret / Juliana BURLINGHAM.[553, 8Q42-CC]
AR[74, 34:31] indicates that Sir John m. Joan (prob. Joan Dacre).
26 Adam BANNISTER.[553, 9N28-9J],[74, See 34:32] Born ca 1298 in Farleton
(Lancs) England.[553, *@] Adam died in 1314.[74, +]
27 Margaret de HOLAND.[553, 9N28-BP],[74, See 34:32] Born ca 1302 in
Farleton (Lancs) England.[553, *@]
Sixth Generation
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32 John TUNSTALL.[553, 18FG-Z4N] Born ca 1246. Of Tunstall (Lancs)
England.[553, *@] John died ca 1302.[553, +]
ca 1270 John married Maud / Mabilla.[553, =@]
33 Maud / Mabilla.[553, 18FG-Z5V] Born ca 1252. Of Tunstall (Lancs)
England.[553, *@]
48 Robert de HAVERINGTON.[74, See 34:30],[553, 8Q42-8T] Born bef
1262.[553, *] Robert died in 1297 in Aldingham (Lancs) England.[74,
+],[553, +@] Lived at: Harington (Comb) England.[74]
49 Agnes CANSFIELD Lady of Aldingham.[74, 34:30],[553, 9MZV-VN] Born ca
1267. Of Aldingham (Lancs) England.[553, *@] Agnes died in 1293.[74,
+],[553, +]
Seventh Generation
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64 William TUNSTALL.[553, 18FG-T8S] Born ca 1222. Of Tunstall (Lancs)
England.[553, *@]
65 Eda CAUNCEFELD.[553, 18FG-T91] Born ca 1226. Of (Lancs) England.[553, *@]
98 Sir Richard CANSFIELD.[74, See 34:29],[553, 18GN-QHN] Born ca 1226. Of
Aldingham (Lancs) England.[553, *@] Lord of Cancefield and Farleton
(Lancs).[74]
In 1256 Richard married Eleanor (Alicia / Aline) le FLEMING.[553, =@]
99 Eleanor (Alicia / Aline) le FLEMING Lady of Aldingham.[74, 34:29],[553,
18GN-P7T] Born ca 1245. Of Aldingham (Lancs) England.[553, *@]
Eighth Generation
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128 Thomas TUNSTALL.[553, 18FG-ZWF] Born ca 1192. Of Tunstall (Lancs)
England.[553, *@]
129 Maud / Matilda AUSTWICK.[553, 18FG-ZRL] Born ca 1200. Of Cantsfield
(Lancs) England.[553, *@]
196 John CANSFIELD.[553, 18GN-QJV]
197 Joan STAINFORD.[553, 18GN-QK3]
198 William le FLEMING.[74, 34:28],[553, 18GN-K75] Born ca 1219. Of
Aldingham (Lancs) England.[553, *@] Lived at: Aldingham.
Ninth Generation
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256 Roger TUNSTALL.[553, 18FH-35J] Born ca 1160. Of Tunstall (Lancs)
England.[553, *@]
396 Sir Michael le FLEMING III.[74, 34:27],[553, 18GN-HNH] Born in 1197.
Of Aldingham (Lancs) England.[74, *],[553, *@]
397 Agatha of Ravensworth.[74, 226:28],[553, 18GN-JQ3] Born ca 1201.[553, *@]
Tenth Generation
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512 Alan TUNSTALL.[553, 18FH-3CR] Born ca 1116. Of Tunstall (Lancs)
England.[553, *@]
792 William le FLEMING.[74, See 34:26],[553, 8588-P5] Born ca 1150.[74, *]
William died in 1203.[74, +],[553, +] Lived at: Aldingham (Lancs)
England.[74]
ca 1196 William married Ada.[553, =]
793 Ada.[74, 34:26],[553, FC2J-P7] Born ca 1155.[553, *]
794 Henry Fitz Hervey Lord of Ravensworth.[472, i, 89],[483, p. 28],[41,
v, 416, n. d],[74, 226:27],[542],[553, 18GN-KC0] Born in 1167.[553, *]
Henry Fitz Hervey was alive on 16 May 1212.[41, v, 416, n. d]
ca 1200 Henry Fitz Hervey married Alice FitzWalter.[553, =]
795 Alice FitzWalter.[41, v, 416, n. d],[74, See 226:27],[542],[553, 18GN-KGL]
--
Alan B. Wilson
abwi...@uclink4.berkeley.edu
Alan B. Wilson
> Does anyone have the ancestry of Alice Tunstall daughter of Sir Thomas
> Tunstall of Thurmond Castle ca. 1460 who married Sir Thomas Parre?
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Sincerely,
> MichaelAnne Guido
Eleventh Generation
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1024 Achary TUNSTALL.[553, 18FH-3PT] Born ca 1076 in Tunstall (Lancs)
England.[553, *@]
1584 Michael II le FLEMING.[74, see 41:25; 34:26],[217],[553, 8588-93]
Born ca 1124 in Caernarvon Castle, Beckermet (Cumb) England.[553, *@]
Michael II died in 1186.[553, +]
ca 1146 Michael II married Christian de STAINTON.[553, =]
1585 Christian de STAINTON.[74, see 41:25; 34:26],[217],[553, 8588-KG]
Born ca 1128 in Kendal (Lancs) England.[553, *@]
1586 Thomas.[74, 34:25],[553, 18GN-HCM] Thomas died aft 13 Nov 1200.[74, +]
1587 Grace.[74, See 34:25],[553, 18GN=HDT]
1588 Hervey fil Akaris.[161],[472, i, 89],[483, p. 28],[41, v, 416, n.
d],[74, 226:26] Born ca 1120 in Ravensworth, Richmond (Yorks)
England.[161] Hervey fil Akaris died in 1182.[472, i, 89 +] Forester of
the New Forest and Arkengarthdale (Yorks).[41, v, 416, n. d]
1590 Randolf fitz Walter Lord of Greystoke.[74, See 226:27],[542],[353, p.
50],[455, p. 254] Randolf fitz Walter died ca 1190.[542, +],[353, +]
Twelfth Generation
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2048 Copsi TUNSTALL.[553, 18FH-3MF] Born ca 1036. Of (Normanmdy)
France.[553, *@]
3168 Michael I le FLEMING.[217],[553, 8588-B8] Born ca 1085 in Caernarvon
Castle, Beckermet (Cumb) England.[553, *@] Michael I le died in 1150 in
Aldingham (Lancs) England.[553, +@]
3170 Gilbert de STAINTON Lord of Stainton.[74, See 34:26],[553, FC2J-N2]
Born ca 1102.[553, *]
3172 Gospatric Lord of Workington.[74, 34:24] Gospatric died in 1179.[74,
34:24 +] Lived at: High Ireby.[74, 34:24]
3176 Akaris fil Bardolf.[74, 226:25],[161],[472, i, 89],[483, p. 28],[41,
v, 416, n. d],[542] Born ca 1080 in Ravensworth, Richmond (Yorks)
England.[161],[74] Akaris fil Bardolf died in 1161.[161]
"Peter [de Quinciacus, a Cistercian monk from Normandy] made
application to Akarius Fitz-Bardolph, Lord of Ravensworth, a sub-feudatory
of Alan, Earl of Richmond. Akarius gave him a piece of land at a place
named Fors, in the valley of the Ure, in that part now called
Wensleydale." [373]
"Alan, Earl of Richmond, was dead, but his son and successor, Conan,
was favorably disposed to the community, and with the consent of Harveius,
son of Akarius Fitz-Bardolph, also deceased, he gave the monks the more
favourable site whereon the church and cloister [Jervaulx], of which
certain remains still exist, was duly built."[373]
3180 Walter fitz Ivo Lord of Greystoke.[542],[353, p. 50],[455, p. 254]
Walter fitz Ivo died in 1162.[542, +],[353, +]
Thirteenth Generation
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6338 Robert de STUTEVILLE.[217]
6344 Orm Lord of Seaton.[74, 34:23],[83],[355]
6345 Gunnilda of Dunbar.[74],[83],[355] Born ca 1070. Of Dunbar (Loth)
Scotland.[83]
6352 Bardolf.[74, 226:24],[161],[472, i, 89],[483, p. 28],[41, v, 416, n.
d],[542],[545, p. 127] Born ca 1045 in Kirby Parish, Ravensworth, Richmond
(Yorks) England.[161] Bardolf died in 1120.
6353 ? de Alselyn.
6360 Ivo de GREYSTOKE Lord of Greystoke.[74, see 41:24],[542],[353, p.
50],[455, p. 254],[545, p. 199],[483, p. 38] Ivo died in 1156.[542,
+],[353, + (bef 1156)]
6361 Agnes.[74, see 41:24]
14th Generation
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12688 Chetell (Ketel) Lord of Kendal (Wstmrlnd).[353, p. 56],[74, See 34:23]
12690 Gospatric I Earl of Dunbar.[74, 34:22],[82, 462:12*[846]],[355],[73,
p. 30],[458, p. 28],[492, p. 296],[542] Born ca 1040 in of Dunbar (Loth)
Scotland.[355],[82],[74, 38:22 *] Gospatric I died ca 1075.[82],[233, ii,
89 +],[73, p. 30 +],[74, 38:22 + (1074/1075)] Buried in Northam (Nthumb)
England.[82] Earl of Northumberland {1067-1072} Earl of Dunbar.[74]
{1072-1075}; Lord of Carlisle and Allerdale.[74]
12691 Aethelreda.[82, 462:13*[846]] Born ca 1044 in Scotland.[82]
12704 Eudes of Penthievre Count.[82, 488:12],[236],[316],[545, p. 127]
Born in 999.[82] Eudes of Penthievre died in 1062.[233]
12720 Forne fitz Sigulf Lord of Greystoke.[151],[542],[353, p. 50],[455,
p. 254],[545, p. 199],[483, p. 38] Born in of Greystoke (Cumberland)
England.[151] Forne fitz Sigulf died in 1129/1130.[151],[542, +],[353,
+],[545, p. 199 + (by 1129)]
15th Generation
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25376 Eldred Lord of Workington.[353, p. 56]
25380 Maldred Earl of Dunbar.[233, ii, 89],[74, 172:20; 247:20; See
34:21],[82, 462:24*->562],[193],[355],[417],[244, iii, 240],[104, pp. 101,
122],[73, p. 30],[458, p. 28],[492, pp. 296, 297],[542] Born ca 1000.[73,
p. 30 *] Maldred was alive in 1034/1035.[233, ii, 89] Maldred died in
1045, slain in battle.[82],[74] Lord of Carlisle and Allerdale.[74],[233,
ii, 89]
In 1030/1040 Maldred married Ældgytha.[74]
25381 Ældgytha.[74],[82, 462:25*->563],[193],[248],[355],[104, pp. 101,
122],[73, p. 30],[458, p. 28],[492, p. 296],[542] Born ca 1013 in (Nthumb)
England.[82]
25408 Geoffrey I Duke of Bretagne.[74],[82, 459:20*->560],[151],[233] Born
ca 980 in of Bretagne.[233],[82] Geoffrey I died in 1008.[413]
25409 Hawise of Normandy.[74],[82, 459:21*->561]
25440 Sigulf fitz Forne.[151],[542],[545, p. 199],[483, p. 38] Of
Nunburholme (Yorks) England.[151]
16th Generation
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50760 Crinan Mormaer of Atholl.[233, ii, 88, 89],[244, iii, 239],[74, See
170:19],[73, p. 30],[193],[248],[355],[417],[376, p. 162],[151,
252:34],[104, pp. 21, 101],[82, 562:02*],[458, p. 28],[460, Table XV, p.
xx],[492, p. 297] Born in 978.[74, 170:19 *],[355, * (ca 975)] Crinan died
in 1045, slain.[233, ii, 89 +],[73, p. 30 +],[74, 170:19 +] Abbot of
Dunkeld.[248],[417],[233, ii, 89]
ca 1000 Crinan married Bethoc Princess of Scotland.[233, =],[355, = (ca
1005)],[74, 170:19 =]
50761 Bethoc Princess of Scotland.[233, ii, 88, 89],[244, iii, 240],[74,
170:19],[73, p. 30],[355],[417],[248],[376, p. 162],[151, 165:33],[104,
pp. 21, 101],[82, 562:03],[460, Table XV, p. xx],[492, p. 297]
50762 Uchtred Earl of Northumbria.[233, ii, 78, 89],[244, iii, 241],[74,
See 34:20; 247:20],[73, p. 183],[193],[248],[355],[458, p. 28],[460, Table
IX, p. xxx],[492, pp. 290, 296],[376, "Northumberland" 24, p. 133],[151,
314:35],[104, p. 141],[82, 487:10*],[542] Born ? 989.[151, *] Uchtred died
in 1016 in Wighill (Yorks) England.[233],[74],[82],[73, p. 183 +],[73, +]
50763 Ælfgifu (Elgiva) Princess of England.[74],[83],[193],[458, p.
28],[460, Table IX, p. xxx],[492, pp. 290, 296],[82, 487:11*],[542]
50816 Conan I "le Tort" Duke of Bretagne.[233, ii, 79; ii, 75 (rev. in
iii(1)); iii, 116],[74, see 39:21; 121:21],[73, p. 14],[315, p. 266],[329,
469],[376, "Rennes-Nantes' 19, p. 149],[151, 334:35],[104, pp. 6,
188],[82, 403:10*[684]],[467, p. 247] Conan I "le Tort" died on 27 Jun
992.[74],[226],[233, ii, 75 (rev. iii(1)) +] Count of Rennes.[74]
In 973 Conan I "le Tort" married Ermengarde of Anjou.[233, ii, 75 (rev.
iii(1)) =],[74, 121:21 = (980)]
50817 Ermengarde of Anjou.[233, ii, 75 (rev. in iii(1); iii, 116],[74,
39:21; 121:21],[73, pp. 4, 14],[315, p. 266],[329, 469],[151,
167:34],[104, p. 6],[82, 403:11*[684]],[467, p. 247] Born in 960.[467, *]
Ermengarde of Anjou died aft 988.[467, +]
50818 Richard I "the Fearless" Duke of Normandy.[233, ii, 78, 79; ii, 75
(rev. in iii(1)); iii, 695, 765; vii, 15],[74, 121E:20; see 39:22],[73, p.
11],[436],[411, p. 467 (table 3)],[376, "Normandie" 20, p. 132],[329,
13],[315, p. 270],[413, Tables 1, 4, 5],[41, iv, 308-338; xxi(1), 411
ff.],[151, 89:33; 166:33],[104, pp. 6, 10],[82, 403:08*[444]],[492, pp.
290, 298],[524] Born in 933 in Fecamp.[233, ii, 79 *],[74, 121E:20 *@]
Richard I "the Fearless" died on 20 Nov 996 in Fecamp.[233, ii, 11
+@],[83],[74, 121E:20 +] Buried in Fecamp.[83],[233, ii, 11 @]
50880 Forne "the King's Theign".[151],[542] Of Nonburholme (Yorks)
England.[151] Forne "the King's Theign" died aft 1086.[151]
Alan B. Wilson
> Does anyone have the ancestry of Alice Tunstall daughter of Sir Thomas
> Tunstall of Thurmond Castle ca. 1460 who married Sir Thomas Parre?
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Sincerely,
> MichaelAnne Guido
17th Generation
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101520 Duncan Mormaer of Atholl.[233, ii, 89],[82, 562:04],[151,
252:35],[104, p. 21] Born abt 950. Lord of the Isles and of Atholl.[151]
Thane of Dule.[151]
101522 Malcolm II (Mael Coluim mac Cinaed) King of Scots.[233, ii, 80,
88],[244, iii, 240],[74, 170:18],[73, pp. 28-30],[248],[417],[376, p.
162],[151, 165:34],[104, pp. 21, 102],[82, 780:10*],[460, Table XV, p.
xxxvi; Table XVI, p. xxxvii],[492, p. 297] Born ca 954.[233, ii, 88 *]
Malcolm II (Mael Coluim mac Cinaed) died on 25 Nov 1034 in Glamis
(Tayside) Scotland.[233, ii, 88 +],[82, +@],[74, 170:18 +] King of Scots
{1005-1034}.[248],[417],[492, p. 297]
101524 Waltheof I Earl of Northumberland.[74, See 34:20],[73, p.
183],[193],[458, p. 28],[492, p. 296],[376, "Northumberland" 25, p.
133],[151, 314:36],[104, p. 141],[82, 487:20*->521:08*] Waltheof I was
alive in 994.[73, p. 183]
101526 Aethelred II "the Unready" King of England.[233],[355],[436],[458,
pp. xiv, 91],[460, Table VIII, p. xxix; Table IX, p. xxx],[492, p.
292],[82, 406:08*[192-194]],[542] Born abt 0968.[83] Aethelred II "the
Unready" died on 23 Apr 1016.[180] Buried in St. Paul's Cathedral.[180]
King of England {979-1013}{1014-1016}.[180]
abt 985 Aethelred II "the Unready" married Aelfgifu.[180]
101527 Aelfgifu (Elgiva).[180],[233],[355],[458, pp. xiv, 91],[460, Table
IX, p. xxx],[492, p. 290],[82, 406:09*] Born ca 968.[151] Aelfgifu
(Elgiva) died in 1002.[233]
101632 Juhel Berangar Count of Rennes.[233, 75 (rev. in iii(1))],[73, p.
14],[226],[329, 469],[376, "Rennes-Nantes' 20, p. 149],[151, 334:36],[104,
p. 188],[82, 403:20*->931] Juhel Berangar died ca 970.[233, ii, 75 (rev.
iii(1)) +]
101633 Gerberge.[233, ii, 75 (rev. in iii(1))],[73, p. 14],[329,
469],[376, see "Rennes-Nantes' 20, p. 149],[151, see 334:36],[104, p.
188],[82, 403:21*]
101634 Geoffrey I Grisegonelle Count of Anjou.[233, ii, 75 (rev. in
iii(1)); ii, 189 (rev. in iii(1); iii, 49, 116, 817],[74, see 118:20],[73,
p. 4],[315, p. 262],[329, 466, 469],[376, "Anjou" 20, p. 24],[404, p.
308],[151, 167:35],[104, pp, 6, 10],[82, 403:22->401:12*[816]],[467, p.
247] Born in 930.[467] Geoffrey I Grisegonelle died on 21 Jul
987.[253],[226],[233, iii, 116 +],[467, + (987)] Count of Anjou
{960-987}.[233],[253]
ca 965 Geoffrey I Grisegonelle married Adelaide of Vermandois.[226],[233,
iii, 116 =]
101635 Adelaide of Vermandois.[233, iii, 49, 116],[74, 118:20],[73, p.
4],[315, p. 273],[329, 466, 469],[376, "Troyes" 20, p. 177],[405, p.
232],[104, pp. 6, 80],[82, 403:23->401:13*[816]],[467] Born ca 0950.[233,
iii, 116 *],[74, 118:20] Adelaide of Vermandois died in 974.[233, iii, 116
+]
101636 William I "Longsword" Duke of Normandy.[233, ii, 46, 79; iii,
49],[74, 121E:19],[73, p. 11],[436],[376, "Normandie" 21, p. 133],[315,
pp. 267, 270],[405, p. 228],[151, 166:34],[104, p. 6],[82,
403:16*->504:02*],[524] Born ca 900.[233, ii, 79 *],[151],[74, 121E:19 *
(ca. 891)] William I "Longsword" died on 17 Dec 942, murdered in
France.[233, ii, 79 +],[151]
101637 Sprote of Bretagne.[233, ii, 79; iii, 694A],[74, see 121E:19],[73,
p. 11],[436],[151, see 166:34],[104, p. 6],[82, 403:17*->504:03],[524
18th Generation
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203040 Duncan Earl of Strathclyde.[233, ii, 89],[151, 252:36] Duncan was
alive in 965.[157, p.364] Thane of Dule; Abbot of Dunkeld.[233, ii, 89]
Earl of Strathclyde.[151],[233, ii, 89]
203044 Kenneth II (Cinaed mac Mael Coluim) King of Scots.[233, ii,
88],[74, 170:17],[73, pp. 28-30],[248],[417],[376, p. 162],[151,
165:35],[104, p. 21],[82, 780:20*->510],[460, Table XV, p. xx],[492, p.
297] Kenneth II (Cinaed mac Mael Coluim) died in 995 in Fettercairn in the
Means (Grampian) Scotland.[233, ii, 88 +],[73, p. 30],[74, 170:17 +],[82]
King of Scots {971-995}.[248],[417],[492, p. 297]
203048 Oswulf I of Bamborough Earl of Northumbria.[82, 521:16->938],[73,
p. 183],[376, "Northumberland" 26, p. 133],[104, p. 141] Oswulf I of
Bamborough died ca 965.[73, p. 183 +]
203052 Edgar "the Peaceable" King of England.[82,
406:16*->511:04*[168]],[460, Table VIII, p. xxix],[469],[492, pp. 289,
290] Born in 943 in (Wessex) England.[82] Edgar "the Peaceable" died on 8
Jul 0975 in (Wessex) England.[82] Buried in Glastonbury Abbey.[180] King
of England {959-975}.[74],[180]
203053 Aelfthryth.[180],[460, Table VIII, p. xxix],[469],[492, p.
290],[82, 406:17*->511:05*] Born ca 945 in (Devon) England.[74],[82]
203054 Thored Gunnarsson Ealdorman of Northumbria.[233],[82, 406:18->511:06]
203264 Berenger de Bayeux Count.[151],[233] Berenger de Bayeux died bef
931.[233]
203268 Foulques II "the Good" of Anjou Count.[233, ii, 187; iii, 166; xiv,
116],[74, see 53:21, 118:20],[73, p. 4],[253],[376, "Anjou" 21, p.
24],[467],[315, pp. 262, 274],[329, 8],[409, p. 299],[151, 167:36],[104,
p. 6],[82, 401:24*->502[786]] Born in 905.[467, *] Foulques II "the Good"
of Anjou died ca 11 Nov 958.[233, xiv, 116 + (by 952)],[467, + (960)]
In 937 Foulques II "the Good" of Anjou married Gerberga of Gâtinais.[233,
viv, 116 =]
203269 Gerberga of Gâtinais.[233, iii, 116; xiv, 116],[74, 118:20],[73, p.
4],[226],[467],[376, see "Anjou" 21, p. 24],[315, pp. 262, 274],[329,
8],[405, p. 232],[151, see 167:36],[104, p. 6],[82, 401:25*],[520] Born in
915.[467] Gerberga of Gâtinais died bef 952.[233, + (952)],[467, + (bef
952)],[520, +]
Note: ES[233]o iii, 116o gives the father of Gerberga as the Count
Hervé of Maine. Stuart follows ES iii, 116. Weis says Gerberga of the
Gatinais (?). This is confirmed in ES[233] xiv, 116 where Gerberga is
listed as dau. of Geoffrey, Count of Gatinais (see ID #2710).
Cptn[329] 466 gives Gergerba de France, dau. of Hugues, le Grand, duc
de France and Hedwige de Germanie as wife of Foulques II and mother of
Geoffroy Grisegonelle.
203270 Robert de VERMANDOIS.[82, 401:26*->503[1200]],[376, "Troyes" 21, p.
177] Born in 931/0934.[405],[82] Robert died aft 19 Jun 966.[405] Count of
Meaux, Count of Troyes .[233]
bef 951 Robert de married Adelaide of Burgundy.[226]
203271 Adelaide of Burgundy.[233],[253],[82, 401:27*->758[1200 Adelaide of
Burgundy died aft 967.[405]
203272 Rollo \ Rollon of Normandy Duke.[151],[82],[436],[460, Table XVI,
p. xxxvii],[376, "Normandie" 22, p. 133] Born ca 848 in Maer,
Normandy.[233],[151] Rollo \ Rollon of Normandy died in 931.[233] Count of
Rouen.[151]
203273 Poppa de Bayeux.[151],[82],[436] Born ca 872 in Bayeux, France.[151]
19th Generation
---------------------------------------------
406088 Malcolm I (Mael Coluim mac Domnall) King of Scots.[233, ii,
88],[74, 170:16],[73, pp. 28-29],[248],[417],[376, p. 162],[151,
165:36],[104, p. 21],[82, 510:02*],[492, p. 297] Malcolm I (Mael Coluim
mac Domnall) died ca 954 in Fetteresso, Fordoun Parish, (Grampian)
Scotland.[233, ii, 88 +],[73, p. 29 +],[74, 170:16 +] King of Scots
{943-954}.[248],[417],[492, p. 297]
406096 Ealdred Lord of Bamborough.[82, 563:16->938:02],[73, p. 183],[376,
"Northumberland" 27, p. 133],[104, p. 141] Ealdred was alive in 926.[73,
p. 183]
406104 Edmund I "the Magnificent" King of England.[460],[83],[469],[492,
p. 289],[82, 511:08*[172]] Born ca 921 in Wessex, England.[233] Edmund I
"the Magnificent" died on 26 May 946, stabbed by an outlaw at Pucklechurch
(Gloucs).[180] Buried in Glastonbury Abbey.[180] King of England
{939-946}.[180],[492, p. 289]
406105 St. Elgifu (Elfgiva).[74],[180],[460, Table VIII, p.
xxix],[469],[82, 511:09*] St. Elgifu (Elfgiva) died in 944.[180] Buried in
Shaftsbury.[180]
406106 Ordgar Ealdorman of Devon.[74],[180],[469],[492, p. 290],[82, 511:10]
406530 Gurwant of Rennes Count.[82] Gurwant of Rennes died in 877.[233]
406536 Foulques I "the Red" of Anjou Count.[82, 502:02*[785]],[253],[376,
"Anjou" 22, p. 25],[467] Born in 870.[467, *] Foulques I "the Red" of
Anjou was alive in 886.[520] Foulques I "the Red" of Anjou died in
941/942.[233],[467, + (942)] Count of Nantes.[253]
bef 5 Jul 905 Foulques I "the Red" of Anjou married Roscilla de Loches.[233]
406537 Roscilla de Loches.[82, 502:03*],[253],[467] Born in 880.[467, *]
Roscilla de Loches died bef 929.[467, +]
Note: Bachrach[315] p. 263 shows a different descent for Roscilla.
406538 Geoffrey Count of Gâtinais.[233, xiv, 116],[73, p. 1],[467],[329,
8],[151, 53:34],[82, 401:16->965] Born in 890.[467, *] Geoffrey was alive
in 933.[233, viv, 116] was alive in 942.[233, viv, 116] Geoffrey died bef
942.[467, +] Count of Nevers {926-935}; Count of Gâtinais {935-941}.[467]
406539 Aba / Ava of Arverne.[467, p. 247] Born in 890/895.[467, p. 247 *]
Aba / Ava of Arverne died aft 942.[467, p. 247 +]
406540 Heribert II de VERMANDOIS Count.[233, ii, 5, 10, 46, 79; iii,
49],[74, 50:18; 118:18; 136:18],[405, p. 223],[315, p. 273],[329,
466],[151, 188:38; 231:36],[104, pp. 15, 80, 112],[82, 503:02*[1198]] Born
ca 880. Heribert II de died on 23 Feb 943 in St. Quinton.[233, iii, 49
+],[82] Buried in St. Quinton.[233, iii, 49 @] Count of Meaux, Soissons,
and Vermandois.[233, iii, 49]
bef 907 Heribert II de married Hildebrante (Liegarde) of Neustria.[233,
iii, 49 =]
406541 Hildebrante (Liegarde) of Neustria.[233, ii, 10; iii, 49],[74,
48:19],[405, p. 225 [Adela]; 408],[329, 466],[151, 169:36; 188:38],[104,
pp. 15, 80, 112],[82, 503:03*[1192]] Hildebrante died aft Mar 931.[233]
406542 Giselbert de Autun Duke of Burgundy.[82],[233] Count of Autun.[233]
406544 Rognvald Eysteinsson "the Wise" Jarl of Møre.[460, Table XVI, p.
xxxvii],[151],[376, "Normandie" 23, p. 133] Born ca 830 in Møre,
Norway.[151] Rognvald Eysteinsson "the Wise" died ca 890 in Møre,
Norway.[151]
406545 Rognhild (Hildir) Hrolfsdotter.[460, Table XVI, p. xxxvii],[151]
Born ca 0848 in Norway.[151]
406546 same as number 203264
406547 same as number 203265
20th Generation
---------------------------------------------
812176 Donald II (Domnall mac Causantin) King of Scots.[233, ii, 88],[74,
170:15],[73, pp. 28-29],[248],[417],[376, p. 162],[151, 165:37],[104, p.
21],[82, 510:04*] Donald II (Domnall mac Causantin) died in 900 in Forres,
Moray (Grampian) Scotland.[233, ii, 88 +],[82],[73, p. 29 +],[74, 170:15
+] King of Scotls {889-900}.[248],[417]
812192 Eadwulf Lord of Bamborough.[82, 938:04],[73, p. 183],[376,
"Northumberland" 28, p. 133],[104, p. 141] Eadwulf died ca 918.[73, p. 183
+],[82]
812208 Edward I "the Elder" King of Wessex.[74],[83,
MC511:16*->605[175]],[233],[314],[460, Table VII, p. xxviii; Table VIII,
p. xxix],[73, p. 252],[469],[492, p. 289] Born ca 875 in Wessex,
England.[74],[83] Edward I "the Elder" died on 17 Jul 925 in
Farndon-on-Dee, Mercia.[180],[460, p. 128 + (924)] Buried in New Minster,
Winchester.[180],[460, p. 123] King of Wessex {899-924}.[74],[492, p. 289]
In 919 Edward I "the Elder" married Eadgifu of Kent.[74]
812209 Eadgifu of Kent.[74],[460, Table VIII, p. xxix],[469],[82,
511:17*->607] Eadgifu of Kent died on 25 Aug 968.[180],[460, p. 112 + (aft
966)]
812210 Wynflaed.[469]
813062 Erispoe of Brittany Duke.[82] Erispoe of Brittany died in Nov 857.[233]
813072 Ingelge Count of Anjou.[82, 502:04*],[253],[376, "Anjou" 23, p.
25],[467] Born in 845.[467],[82] Ingelge died in 888.[82],[467, + (bef
929)]
813073 Adele de Gatinais.[82, 502:05*],[467 Adele de Gatinais died in
0855.[467, +]
Settipani[467] speculates about the ancestry of Adele--possibly
descending from Wido of Spoleto--but certainly not of Gatinais!
813074 Warnerius Seigneur of Loches.[82, 502:06],[233],[253],[467] Born in
855.[467, *] Warnerius died bef 929.[467, +]
813075 Tescenda.[82, 502:07],[233],[253],[467],[520] Born in 860.[467, iii, 689]
813076 Aubri Viscount of Orleans.[233, xiv, 166],[73, p. 1],[467],[151,
53:35],[82, 965:02] Born in 855/860.[467] Aubri was alive in 886.[233,
viv, 116]
Settipani[467] shows with a dotted line that Alberic/Aubri might
possibly have been the son of Alberic of Sens & Engeltrude of Orleans.
813078 Hector of Arverne.[233, xv, 104],[467, p. 247],[253],[315, p. 274]
Born in 860.[467, p. 247 *]
813079 Aba / Ava.[467, p. 247],[435] Born in 865.[467, p. 247 *] Aba / Ava
died aft 893.[467, p. 247 +] Abbess of Sauxillanges {893}.[467, p.
247],[233, iii, 731] Nun then abbess at Cluny.[435]
813080 Heribert I Count of Vermandois.[233, i, 11; I.1, 4; ii, 10; iii,
49],[74, 50:17],[405, p. 220],[73, p. 6],[315, p. 273],[329, 3],[421,
Genealogy 1],[151, 231:37; see also 264:37],[104, pp. 14, 112],[82,
506:06*[1197]] Born ca 850.[405, p. 220] Heribert I died in 900/907,
murdered.[405, p. 220],[151],[233, I.1, 4 +] Count of Vermandois and
Soissons; count of Meaux and Madrie.[151],[233, I.1, 4] Seigneur of
Senlis, Peronne and St. Quentin.[151]
813081 Beatrice (Bertha) of Morvois.[233, ii, 10],[74, See 50:17],[73, p.
6],[329, 3],[151, 264:37; see also 231:37],[82, 506:07*[1197]]
813082 Robert I Count of Paris.[233, ii, 10; iii, 49],[74, 48:18; 53:18;
101:18],[73, p. 9],[329, 3],[405, p. 405],[151, 134:36; see also
169:37],[104, p. 14],[82, 506:02*] Born ca 860 in France.[405],[151]
Robert I died on 15 Jun 923 in battle at Soissons, France.[233] Count of
Paris & Poitiers.[151],[74],[329] Marquie in Neustria & Orleans; anti-king
of France.[151]
813083 Aelis.[233, ii, 10],[74, See 48:18],[151, 259:39]
813084 Manasses "the Old" Count.[82],[233]
813085 Ermengarde of Vienne.[233] Born ca 870. Of Chalon,
France.[405],[82] Ermengarde of Vienne died bef 12 Apr 935.[82]
813088 Eystein "Glumra" Ivarsson Earl.[233, ii, 79],[151],[83],[104, pp.
6, 107],[460, Table XVI, p. xxxvii],[376, "Normandie" 24, p. 133] Born ca
800/810. Of Møre, Norway.[151],[82]
813089 Aseda Rognvaldsdotter.[151],[82] Born ca 0812 in Møre, Norway.[151]
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Sutliff
"Alan B. Wilson" wrote:
> <Snip>
>
> 12 Sir John de HARINGTON.[553, 8Q42-FP],[74, 34:32] Born ca 1304 in
> Aldingham (Lancs) England.[553, *@] John died in 1359.[74, +]
>
> 13 Katharine BANNISTER.[553, 9N28-5T],[74, See 34:32] Of Farleton (Lancs)
> England.[553, @]
>
> Fifth Generation
> ---------------------------------------------
>
> <Snip>
>
> 26 Adam BANNISTER.[553, 9N28-9J],[74, See 34:32] Born ca 1298 in Farleton
> (Lancs) England.[553, *@] Adam died in 1314.[74, +]
>
> 27 Margaret de HOLAND.[553, 9N28-BP],[74, See 34:32] Born ca 1302 in
> Farleton (Lancs) England.[553, *@]
>
I think there may be a problem with your hypothetical dates. I think it is likely
impossible that Adam de Banastre/Bannister could have been born circa 1298, died
in 1314 and have had a daughter in this time. AR7 as you show gives the death date
of 1314, but I have a much earlier guessed date of birth. His wife Margaret de
Holand, may be the daughter of Robert de Holand of Upholland, Lancs. (d. bef.
1304) and his wife Elizabeth de Samlesbury (d. aft. 1311) of Samlesbury, Lancs.
If so, it is likely her birthdate would also be somewhat earlier.
Perhaps someone else has better documented dates and confirmation of Margaret's
parentage for both of us.
Henry Sutliff
U...@aol.com
ss...@earthlink.net writes:
<< >
> 26 Adam BANNISTER.[553, 9N28-9J],[74, See 34:32] Born ca 1298 in Farleton
> (Lancs) England.[553, *@] Adam died in 1314.[74, +]
>
> 27 Margaret de HOLAND.[553, 9N28-BP],[74, See 34:32] Born ca 1302 in
> Farleton (Lancs) England.[553, *@]
>
I think there may be a problem with your hypothetical dates. I think it is
likely
impossible that Adam de Banastre/Bannister could have been born circa 1298,
died
in 1314 and have had a daughter in this time. AR7 as you show gives the
death date
of 1314, but I have a much earlier guessed date of birth. His wife Margaret
de
Holand, may be the daughter of Robert de Holand of Upholland, Lancs. (d. bef.
1304) and his wife Elizabeth de Samlesbury (d. aft. 1311) of Samlesbury,
Lancs.
If so, it is likely her birthdate would also be somewhat earlier.
Perhaps someone else has better documented dates and confirmation of
Margaret's
parentage for both of us.
>>
I have the following note on Margaret
"Sister of Robert Holand of Upholland, and widow of Sir John Blackburn."
I also show Adam being beheaded in 1314. Adam & Margaret's daughter
Katherine m. John Harington of Farleton, co. Lancashire [d. 1359]. They had
a son Nicholas b. 1345.
Always optimistic--Dave
Todd A. Farmerie
pasting, but I do have a few comments.
The ancestry of Crinan is not known. While some predicessors in his
role as Lay Abbott probably represent relatives, that they represent his
immediate forebearers is less certain. Certainly, there is no Earl of
Strathclyde at the time claimed.
As far as i know, there is no contemporary source for the father of St.
Aelfgifu. As to the name you give, Wynflaed, the -flaed ending is more
typical of a female name. Still Hart is a good researcher, and might
have found something of value.
The early generations of the Counts of Rennes (later Counts of Brittany)
have been significantly revised in recent year by the work of
Keats-Rohan and Guillotel. In particular see K-R's article on the
ancestry of Rollo's wife Poppa. She suggests that Count Juhel Berenger
of Rennes was son Berenger, Count of Rennes, who was not the Count of
Bayeux, but instead the maternal grandson of his Bayeux namesake, who
was also father of Poppa. Presumably any connection with the breton
royalty would come through his father.
Obviously, the ancestry of Rollo is problematic. It has recently been
argued that, not only does Rognevald not belong on top of Rollo's
pedigree, but that he doesn't belong among the Orkney Jarls either,
being nothing more than a misplaced reflection of a viking in the
Flanders area.
taf
Alan B. Wilson
<ta...@po.cwru.edu> wrote:
> I would rather avoid a point by point critique - too much cutting and
> pasting, but I do have a few comments.
>
> The ancestry of Crinan is not known. While some predicessors in his
> role as Lay Abbott probably represent relatives, that they represent his
> immediate forebearers is less certain. Certainly, there is no Earl of
> Strathclyde at the time claimed.
>
Here I'm guilty (as is my wont) of simply transcribing--in this case
from ES ii, 89.
> As far as i know, there is no contemporary source for the father of St.
> Aelfgifu. As to the name you give, Wynflaed, the -flaed ending is more
> typical of a female name. Still Hart is a good researcher, and might
> have found something of value.
>
Actually Cyril Hart in Table 3.4, p. 128, shows Eadmund m., firstly,
ca 940, Aelfgifu, dau. of Wynflaed, d. 943/4. This leaves open the
possibility that Wynflaed is either Aelfgifu's father or mother. While I
photocopied the charts, I do not have the text available at home to see
whether this is clarified, and on what evidence Hart relied.
> The early generations of the Counts of Rennes (later Counts of Brittany)
> have been significantly revised in recent year by the work of
> Keats-Rohan and Guillotel. In particular see K-R's article on the
> ancestry of Rollo's wife Poppa. She suggests that Count Juhel Berenger
> of Rennes was son Berenger, Count of Rennes, who was not the Count of
> Bayeux, but instead the maternal grandson of his Bayeux namesake, who
> was also father of Poppa. Presumably any connection with the breton
> royalty would come through his father.
>
I had read Keats-Rohan's article on Poppa (see my reference #436). I
did not get the impression that she was as firm in her suggestions as you
construe her to be. She labeled her two alternative descents as
hypotheses; I did not see any sure affirmation of either in the text. Of
course you may have other sources. (I'm sure you have more skill at
reading between the lines.)
I think you may have inserted an extra generation into the sequence
of Berengars. If you accept the common elements of K-R's alternatives we
have:
Berengar, marquis of Neustria, d. 896
|
---------------------------
| |
Poppa = Rollo [Judith]
|
Berengar, count of Rennes, fl. 930-50
On p. 202 K-R says "The mother of Berengar of Rennes may have been
named Judith; the name was borne by her great-great-granddaughter, wife of
Richard II of Normandy." Now Judith, wife of Richard II, was sister of
Geoffrey, duke of Brittany, #25408 in my ancestral list. We have:
Juhel Berengar, count of Rennes
fl. 931, d. ca 970, #50816
|
Conan I "le Tort", #50816
|
----------------------------
| |
Geoffrey, #25408 Judith = Richard II
So for Judith to be great-great-granddaughter of the hypothetical
Judith, Juhel Berengar must be the Berengar, fl. 930-950, discussed by
K-R--not his son.
> Obviously, the ancestry of Rollo is problematic. It has recently been
> argued that, not only does Rognevald not belong on top of Rollo's
> pedigree, but that he doesn't belong among the Orkney Jarls either,
> being nothing more than a misplaced reflection of a viking in the
> Flanders area.
>
The most overstuffed file in my cabinet is labeled "IVAR THE
BONELESS". The contents which seem acceptable keep shrinking ;-D .
> taf
Reedpcgen
> Juhel Berengar, count of Rennes
> fl. 931, d. ca 970, #50816
> |
> Conan I "le Tort", #50816
> |
> ----------------------------
> | |
> Geoffrey, #25408 Judith = Richard II
>
I had looked into some things on the Bretagne/Rennes ancestry. What I had
found from other works did not quite match what was in Katharine's article on
Poppa. When I queried her about this some time ago, she had to conclude that
we have to wait until forthcoming work by Guillotel is published. The ancestry
of Juhel Berengar is still very problematic.
pcr
Todd A. Farmerie
In my account I perhaps confused what appeared in the Poppa article with
what was from it's source (neither of which I have read in over a
year). Keats-Rohan's reconstruction relied heavily on Guillotel, who as
far as I can tell, first suggested the dual Berengers. Lot wrote an
article some time ago (~100 years +/- 25) which traced the line of Conan
back to Juhel Berenger, son of Berenger, who he suggested was the Count
of Bayeux, father of Poppa. Thus, it was with a little bit of surprise
that I read Guillotel's brief statements in the history of Brittany that
he co-wrote. There he indicated that the Count of Bayeux left two
daughters, one of whom married Rollo, and the other a Breton noble,
perhaps of the family of Erispoe, and was mother of the Berenger, Count
of Rennes father of Juhel Berenger. These relations were only mentioned
in passing narative (as is appropriate for a general history) and the
basis for the conclusions were not explained in detail. Keats-Rohan
appears to have adopted Guillotels when preparing her work, the primary
focus of which was this ancestry. Guillotel has produced much good work
(I am told, but I have failed to get my hands on any of it other than
this one book) and so we can look forward to his detailed evaluation of
the question.
taf
Todd A. Farmerie
> I think you may have inserted an extra generation into the sequence
> of Berengars. If you accept the common elements of K-R's alternatives we
> have:
>
> Berengar, marquis of Neustria, d. 896
> |
> ---------------------------
> | |
> Poppa = Rollo [Judith]
> |
> Berengar, count of Rennes, fl. 930-50
>
> On p. 202 K-R says "The mother of Berengar of Rennes may have been
> named Judith; the name was borne by her great-great-granddaughter, wife of
> Richard II of Normandy." Now Judith, wife of Richard II, was sister of
> Geoffrey, duke of Brittany, #25408 in my ancestral list. We have:
>
> Juhel Berengar, count of Rennes
> fl. 931, d. ca 970, #50816
> |
> Conan I "le Tort", #50816
> |
> ----------------------------
> | |
> Geoffrey, #25408 Judith = Richard II
>
> So for Judith to be great-great-granddaughter of the hypothetical
> Judith, Juhel Berengar must be the Berengar, fl. 930-950, discussed by
> K-R--not his son.
Not by my count:
[Judith]
Berenger son
Juhel Berenger grandson
Conan great-grandson
Judith great-great-granddaughter
That being said, see my other note. As to [Judith], I am not
comfortable with the assignment of this name given the number of
intervening generations.
taf
Kay Allen AG
I have Sir Adam as born before 1288 [how long before?] I have his wife
Margaret as dtr. of Thurstan and his Kellet wife.
Kay Allen AG
Kay Allen AG
>
> "Alan B. Wilson" wrote:
>
> > <Snip>
> >
> > 12 Sir John de HARINGTON.[553, 8Q42-FP],[74, 34:32] Born ca 1304 in
> > Aldingham (Lancs) England.[553, *@] John died in 1359.[74, +]
> >
> > 13 Katharine BANNISTER.[553, 9N28-5T],[74, See 34:32] Of Farleton (Lancs)
> > England.[553, @]
> >
> > Fifth Generation
> > ---------------------------------------------
> >
> > <Snip>
> >
> > (Lancs) England.[553, *@] Adam died in 1314.[74, +]
> >
> > 27 Margaret de HOLAND.[553, 9N28-BP],[74, See 34:32] Born ca 1302 in
> > Farleton (Lancs) England.[553, *@]
> >
>
> I think there may be a problem with your hypothetical dates. I think it is likely
> impossible that Adam de Banastre/Bannister could have been born circa 1298, died
> in 1314 and have had a daughter in this time. AR7 as you show gives the death date
> of 1314, but I have a much earlier guessed date of birth. His wife Margaret de
> Holand, may be the daughter of Robert de Holand of Upholland, Lancs. (d. bef.
> 1304) and his wife Elizabeth de Samlesbury (d. aft. 1311) of Samlesbury, Lancs.
> If so, it is likely her birthdate would also be somewhat earlier.
>
> Perhaps someone else has better documented dates and confirmation of Margaret's
> parentage for both of us.
>
He had four daughters, not just Katherine. He was also a knight so he
must have been somewhat mature.
Kay Allen AG