Duke Andeca and (H)Eudon

[JOHN de CELIS]

I wonder what anyone knows about these two Spanish Dukes c.700.

I have Andeca as the father of Eudon (of Aquitania) d. 735.
Andeca, it is reported, died in 711 trying to defend Toledo from the Muslim
commander Tariq. An "Spanish" army of 100,000 men were not able to arrive in
time although I wonder if they even existed since that would have been a
formidable force against much smaller Muslim troops at least somewhere in the
early battles.

Eudon was reported to be at the great battle of Turs in 730 with Carlos
Mattel, the grandfather of Charlomaine.

In the book "Histor. en Dedic. de la muy Nobl. Prov." there are a number of
references to Eudon being the nephew of Pedro, Duke of Cantabria which would
make Andeca either the brother or brother-in-law of Pedro.

Curious what is known.

thanks,

John
jdec...@msn.com

[Todd A. Farmerie]

I do not recognize Andeca, but Eudo/Eudon, Duke of Aquitaine is a well
known Frank. The connection to the family of Pedro of Cantabria is news to
me, and likely an invention (as are french attempts to link him to the
Merovingians).

Todd

[Thorleif Christoffer Owe]

Todd A. Farmerie (ta...@po.CWRU.Edu) wrote:
:
: In a previous article, JDEC...@MSN.COM (JOHN de CELIS) says:
:
: >In the book "Histor. en Dedic. de la muy Nobl. Prov." there are a number of

: >references to Eudon being the nephew of Pedro, Duke of Cantabria which would
: >make Andeca either the brother or brother-in-law of Pedro.
: >
:
: I do not recognize Andeca, but Eudo/Eudon, Duke of Aquitaine is a well
: known Frank. The connection to the family of Pedro of Cantabria is news to
: me, and likely an invention (as are french attempts to link him to the
: Merovingians).

:
What is known of the family of Pedro of Cantabria? Are his ancestors known?
I've read somewhere that he descended from Reccared I.

Christoffer Owe
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[Todd A. Farmerie]

In a previous article, t...@fm.unit.no (Thorleif Christoffer Owe) says:

>What is known of the family of Pedro of Cantabria? Are his ancestors known?
>I've read somewhere that he descended from Reccared I.
>

The short answer is nothing is known. As to a descent from previos
visigoth kings, it is likely that one exists, but none can be documents,
and it is standard procedure to claim a descent of the new dynasty from the
previous one, so I have never placed much faith in the statement one way or
the other.

There is one documant which may shed some light on his origins however. In
the cartulary of the religious house at Liebana (in the region where the
royalty later held territory) there is an undated document, which based on
linguistics is consistant with the late 7th/early 8th century which
provides detail on the family of a certain Benedict, following his
descendants for three generations. This includes many names common among
the royal family, and particularly a Fafila, who has been theorized to be
the father of Pelayo, and as son of Fafila's brother (or brother-in-law) a
Pedro theorized to be the Duke of Cantabria. Also among the family is a
Silo who could be the king of that name. Unfortunately, without a more
precise date or other contemporary reference to these individuals, we have
only the similarity of names to sugget that these are the people known to
history. The names in the earlier generations are not those typical of
later Leon, and it is not even evident from my extract of the charter
whether the descent from Benedict is through males or females, so this
descent if true need not be viewed as contradictory to a descent through a
different line from the visigoth kings.

Todd

[Nathaniel Lane Taylor]

In article <4j6llp$a...@madeline.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ta...@po.CWRU.Edu (Todd A.
Farmerie) wrote:

> In a previous article, JDEC...@MSN.COM (JOHN de CELIS) says:
>

> >I have Andeca as the father of Eudon (of Aquitania) d. 735.

> >Eudon was reported to be at the great battle of Turs in 730 with Carlos

> >Mattel, the grandfather of Charlomaine.
> >

> >In the book "Histor. en Dedic. de la muy Nobl. Prov." there are a number of
> >references to Eudon being the nephew of Pedro, Duke of Cantabria which would
> >make Andeca either the brother or brother-in-law of Pedro.
> >
>
> I do not recognize Andeca, but Eudo/Eudon, Duke of Aquitaine is a well
> known Frank. The connection to the family of Pedro of Cantabria is news to
> me, and likely an invention (as are french attempts to link him to the
> Merovingians).

Actually, the bogus Merovingian pedigree for duke Eudo of Aquitaine (in
the forged charter of Alao) isn't French--it is credited a Spaniard, Juan
Tomayo de Salazar, "one of the most intrepid forgers of the seventeenth
century" (Histoire generale de Languedoc, 2d ed., Toulouse, 1876, 2:203).
This was discussed briefly a few weeks ago here. The Spaniards were
seeking an illustrious parent lineage for the Aragonese comital dynasty,
and decided to one-up the Bourbons.

Nat Taylor

[Todd A. Farmerie]

Thanks for the correction. I usually just follow the general rule: If in
doubt, BLAME IT ON THE FRENCH :)

Todd