Margery Pecche or Clifford, wife of Nicholas de Criol
MichaelAnne Guido
Croxton Criol, Co. Leicester and Eynsford co. Kent? They were married
ca. 1271/2 and there are conflicting sources on this woman.
George Baker, The History and Antiquities of the County of
Northampton, Vol. I, John Bowyer Nichols & Son, London, 1822-1830,
page 714:
Elizabeth, daughter and coheir of Nicholas de Crioll of Thenford, co.
Northampton by Margery Clifford 7 Edward II (1313). Esc. 20 Edward
III, page 2, no. 4. She married Sir John Pabenham of Pabenham, co.
Bedford and jure uxoris of Thenford, co. Northampton.
page 713:
In 7 Edward II (1313) Richard Clifford, son and heir of John Clifford,
released to Margery de Crioll widow of Sir Nicholas de Crioll,
Elizabeth wife of Sir John de Pabenham, and Margery daughter and
heiress of Sir Robert de Hereward, all right in lands of their
inheritance in Inchester, Fardish, Willy, Puddington, Higham,
Lillingston and Thenford in the counties of Northampton, Bedford,
Buckingham
Chris Phillips
[in the counties of Northampton, Bedford, Buckingham and Oxford [Placit.
Michaelmas. Westmoreland 7 Edward II].
kbrad60 replied:
> CP v. III p. 542 indicates that Margery was a da. of Gilbert Peche, of
> Westcliff, co. Kent. Patent Roll 56 Henry III, m. 22 & Close Roll,
> 32 Edward I, m. 16.
I missed this when it was originally posted a couple of days ago, but
MichaelAnne Guido sent me the details today off-list, pointing out that the
Complete Peerage identifies this Margery Peche as the widow Margery who
survived Nicholas Criol, and also mentioning that Hugh Clifford's "The House
of Clifford" explains the quitclaim by Richard Clifford in 1313 by asserting
that Richard's father John had married Margaret [or Margery] Hereward and
had by her, as well as Richard, two daughters, Isabella, who married Robert
FitzPain, and Margery, who married Nicholas de Carrol.
Some time ago I made some notes on Elizabeth, the wife of John de Pabenham,
mainly from the Victoria County History's account of Lillingstone Lovell
[VCH Buckinghamshire vol.3, p.41] and also from VCH Bedfordshire, vol.3,
pp.41,50,57. The notes need to be supplemented by more from original
sources, but I think they clarify the identity of this Margery, widow of
Nicholas Criol.
The VCH account says that Margery Criol (Keriel), Elizabeth wife of John
Pabenham, and Margery the daughter and heir of Robert and Margaret Hereward,
appear to have been the heirs of one Margery Clifford, who in 1254 held the
manor of Lillingston Lovell under Sir Hugh de Chaceporc, and married first
Peter de St Martin, and then by 1260 Peter Dansey [=Dauntsey?], the manor
being settled on them and their issue, with remainder to Margery's right
heirs in that year. The manor was held under the condition of giving a
"clove gillyflower" at Easter to Richard Clifford and his heirs (presumably
the Richard Clifford of 1313 was one of these heirs). Peter was still living
in 1266, and Margery in 1284.
Chronologically, Margery the widow of Nicholas Criol would fit as a daughter
of Margery Clifford by Peter Dansey (Nicholas being a minor in 1272).
Elizabeth the wife of John Pabenham would also fit more comfortably as a
sister of Margery than a daughter - if my notes are correct, John the son of
John Pabenham was married by 1295 (though looking at them it's not
absolutely clear he was Elizabeth's son). In this case, Margaret the wife of
Robert Hereward would probably be the third sister.
I suppose there is the possibility that Margery Clifford died without issue,
and that Margery, Elizabeth and Margaret were her right heirs rather than
her daughters. Even so, it's difficult to see how Margery could be a
daughter of Gilbert Pecche, who according to the Complete Peerage [vol.10,
p.336] had sons by both marriages. So it seems that Nicholas Criol must have
married twice, first to Margery Pecche, and second to Margery the coheir of
Margery Clifford.
Two more points:
(1) According to the VCH account, Lillingstone Lovell had been held by a
William Clifford as early as 1131. Therefore it seems that Hugh Clifford, in
"The House of Clifford" is not only wrong in its detailed reconstruction,
but in attaching these Cliffords to the Frampton-of-Severn family, has
picked the wrong family altogether, because he says that the first of the
Frampton family to assume the name Clifford was Walter (1127-1187).
(2) The VCH account identifies Margery, the daughter of Robert Hereward and
Margaret, with the later wife of William Lovell. It says that Margery Criol
was holding a moiety of Lillingstone [Lovell] as late as 1361 [if so,
suggesting she may have been much younger than her husband], but apparently
the Criol portion was later merged with the others, perhaps implying that
Margery Criol left no heirs. (I should like to check this point further,
though.)
Chris Phillips
Bagpuss & Co.
"Chris Phillips" <cgp...@cgp100.dabsol.co.uk> wrote in message
news:004701c1e3f8$2528a5e0$6e7486d9@oemcomputer...
> Two more points:
>
> (1) According to the VCH account, Lillingstone Lovell had been held by a
> William Clifford as early as 1131. Therefore it seems that Hugh Clifford,
in
> "The House of Clifford" is not only wrong in its detailed reconstruction,
> but in attaching these Cliffords to the Frampton-of-Severn family, has
> picked the wrong family altogether, because he says that the first of the
> Frampton family to assume the name Clifford was Walter (1127-1187).
>
I appear to have Walter/William de Clifford of Clifford Castle,
Herefordshire as being born around 1113. He married Isabel de Tosny, and
amongst their children was a Richard de Clifford (b. Abt 1151) who married
Letitia de Berkeley. Their descendants became the Frampton side of the
family. Indeed Walter/William was the first to assume the Clifford name,
although he was not strictly a Frampton on Severn man himself, just his son.
As William married into the Tosny family (who several generations previous
were related to Earl William Fitz Osbern through marriage), could the
Clifford family of Hereford have come by the land of Lillingstone Lovell via
the Tosny family, through Isabel? i.e. Could the first William de Clifford
in Lillingstone actually be the same as the Walter/William in Clifford
Castle? I suppose he might have been a little young!!!
Just a thought/guess. I've nothing to back this up though :-)
(OT: The name Clifford came from the site of the castle in Herefordshire -
it was built at the top of a cliff directly above a ford across the River
Wye.)
Andrew
Rosie Bevan
The 1613 Visitation of Huntingdonshire shows the following complex
arrangement. The confusion about the two Margerys appears to have come about
through an uncle and nephew, both named Nicholas Kryell being married to a
Margery. Also as sometimes encountered in medieval families, there were two
siblings with the same name - brothers Nicholas in the second generation.
The only error in the pedigree that I am aware of is that Katherine Pabenham
was married to William Cheyne first and Thomas Aylesbury second, not the
other way around. Hence Lawrence Cheyne being her heir.
1. Nicholas Kryell=Joan Nevyll
2.Bartram Kryell d.s.p.
2.Simon Kryell d.s.p.
2.Nicholas Kryell, frater senior=Margeria Clifford
3.Bertram Kryell
4.John Kryell d.s.p.
3.Joan d.s.p.=Sir Wm Baude
3.Agnes=Sir Michael Poynings
4.Michael Poynings d.s.p.
3.Margaret=Sir Robert Hereward
4.Margeria=William Lovell
5. Beatrix=Roger Chambur
6.John Chambur
3.Elizabeth=Sir John Pabenham
4.Thomas Pabenham
5.Lawrence Pabenham
6.Katherine= 1.Thomas Aylesbury 2.William Cheyne
7.Lawrence Cheyne
8.Sir John Cheyne
6.Alianor=John Tyringham, son of Sir John Tyringham
7.John Tiringham=Alicia
8.John Tiringham=Elizabeth dau of Edmund
Brudenell
3.Catharine d.s.p.=Sir Geoffrey Braddene
2.Nicholas Kryell frater junior=Joan da. of Sir Wm Hauberville
3.Nicholas Kryell=Margaret da. of Sir Gilbert Pecche
4.Nicholas Kryell=Rosia
5 John Kryell
6.John Kryell
7.Rosia=John Wykis of Newmarket, armiger
8.Roisia=Hugh Stranle, armiger
6.Nicholas Kryell
7.William Kryell
8.Thomas Kryell
If anyone would like a jpeg scan of this pedigree, I am happy to oblige.
Cheers
Rosie
Cristopher Nash
thread devoted to a surname that's long been on my list of
genealogical puzzles, of leaping in to put a more general query about
the name and families bearing it: Pecche (Peccatum/Peché, etc) is
one of those frequent early medieval names claimed to belong to a
(branch of the) same family subsequently bearing quite a different
and often equally well-known name. (Another example that's come up
recently is Norreys->Eltonhead.) The fa of the first William de
Cloptonne was thought (by Dugdale, if I read Gene Carlton Clopton
[1984] right) to have been a Gilbert Pecche who in Domesday held land
in Cloptun (Suff).
D'Ewes (Sir Simond) in a manuscript of 1626 reportedly listed no
fewer than 14 early generations of a family of Pecche who were to
become widely known to us as one called Clopton. I'd be interested
to know whether anyone has seen a reasonably reliable (or at least
relatively modern) account of this connection?
Thanks,
Cris
--
malinda
http://www.ashmol.ox.ac.uk/ash/departments/antiquities/brass/
~malinda
Chris Phillips
> The 1613 Visitation of Huntingdonshire shows the following complex
> arrangement. The confusion about the two Margerys appears to have come
about
> through an uncle and nephew, both named Nicholas Kryell being married to a
> Margery. Also as sometimes encountered in medieval families, there were
two
> siblings with the same name - brothers Nicholas in the second generation.
> The only error in the pedigree that I am aware of is that Katherine
Pabenham
> was married to William Cheyne first and Thomas Aylesbury second, not the
> other way around. Hence Lawrence Cheyne being her heir.
Many thanks for posting that pedigree.
But it does look as though it should be treated with some caution, judging
by the crucial generation:
> 2.Nicholas Kryell, frater senior=Margeria Clifford
> 3.Bertram Kryell
> 4.John Kryell d.s.p.
> 3.Joan d.s.p.=Sir Wm Baude
> 3.Agnes=Sir Michael Poynings
> 4.Michael Poynings d.s.p.
> 3.Margaret=Sir Robert Hereward
> 4.Margeria=William Lovell
> 5. Beatrix=Roger Chambur
> 6.John Chambur
> 3.Elizabeth=Sir John Pabenham
> 4.Thomas Pabenham
> 5.Lawrence Pabenham
> 6.Katherine= 1.Thomas Aylesbury 2.William Cheyne
> 7.Lawrence Cheyne
> 8.Sir John Cheyne
> 6.Alianor=John Tyringham, son of Sir John Tyringham
> 7.John Tiringham=Alicia
> 8.John Tiringham=Elizabeth dau of Edmund
Brudenell
> 3.Catharine d.s.p.=Sir Geoffrey Braddene
Joan married first Walter de Patteshull and second William Baud, and left
issue by both husbands - although her son by Baud died s.p. Agnes married
Thomas, not Michael, Poynings, and her son Michael left issue.
More seriously, Joan and Agnes were not daughters of a Nicholas de Criol,
but of Richard de Rokesle, by his wife Joan. The latter Joan - not Joan and
Agnes - was the sister of a Bertram Criol, father of John, who apparently
died sp (or at any rate it seems John's issue was extinct by the death of
his widow Eleanor in 1348/9). Secondary sources say that Bertram and the
elder Joan were children of another Bertram, not a Nicholas (I haven't seen
the primary sources to prove that).
So it looks as though this part of the pedigree at least is very badly
garbled.
Also, I should have thought the quitclaim by Richard Clifford reads more
naturally if Margery, Elizabeth and Margaret are coheirs - the Victoria
County History's interpretation - rather than Elizabeth and Margaret being
daughters of Margery, as in the pedigree.
If Margery were the same who held Lillingstone [Lovell] in 1254, and was
married to Peter Dansey who was living 1266, she would presumably have
married Nicholas de Criol later than that. But it looks chronologically
difficult for Elizabeth Pabenham to be born later than 1266 if she was the
mother of John Pabenham who was married by 1295 (though I'm not sure she
was). And it would clearly be impossible for Margery the wife of Peter
Dansey by 1260 to be the Margery Criol who was holding part of the manor in
1361 according to VCH.
So the pedigree's arrangement doesn't seem to me to fit easily with the
contemporary evidence. However, maybe it is worth thinking more carefully
about whether there may be two Nicholas Criols available to be the husbands
of Margery Pecche and Margery [?Dansey]. VCH assumes they are the same man,
for what it's worth. From the chronology, it looks as though, if there were
two separate men, the husband of Margery Pecche would probably be the elder,
if anything.
Chris Phillips
Doug Smith
de Rokeslee's (and Chris has been kind enough to send some wonderful
materials on this family). The Criol's appear to have been very numerous.
I am trying to sort through various references including posts to SGM.
I have pasted in my working reconstruction of the Criols from var. sources.
It is not documented and is only a working hypothese. They appear to have
intermarried with several families I am working on. I am, of course, still
looking for documentation.
For what its worth:
Descendants of
Robert de CRUEL and (---) (---)
1. Robert de1 CRUEL, born in Criel-sur-Mer, Seine-Maritime. He married
unknown.
Children of Robert de CRUEL were as follows:
+ 2 i John de2 CRIOL.
Generation 2
2. John de2 CRIOL (Robert de1), died aft 1194. He married unknown.
Children of John de CRIOL were as follows:
+ 3 i Bertram de3 CRIOL Sheriff of Kent.
4 ii Simon3 CRIOL.
5 iii William3 CRIOL.
+ 6 iv Nicholas de3 CRIOL.
Generation 3
3. Bertram de3 CRIOL Sheriff of Kent (John de2, Robert de1), died aft 1230.
He married unknown.
Children of Bertram de CRIOL Sheriff of Kent were as follows:
+ 7 i John de4 CRIOL.
8 ii Nicholas de4 CRIOL.
6. Nicholas de3 CRIOL (John de2, Robert de1). He married Joan NEVYLL.
Children of Nicholas de CRIOL and Joan NEVYLL were as follows:
9 i Bertram4 CRIOL, died dsp.
10 ii Simon4 CRIOL, died dsp.
+ 11 iii Nicholas de4 CRIOL Sheriff of Kent, Warden of Cinque Ports,
Constable of Rochester.
Generation 4
7. John de4 CRIOL (Bertram de3, John de2, Robert de1), died 1262/64. He
married Maud de EASTWELL, died 1268, daughter of William de WELLE and
Margery (---).
Children of John de CRIOL and Maud de EASTWELL were as follows:
+ 12 i Bertram de5 CRIOL.
13 ii Nicholas5 CRIOL. He married Margery DANSEY (DAUNTSEY?), died aft
1284, daughter of Peter DANSEY (DAUNTSEY?) and Margery CLIFFORD.
11. Nicholas de4 CRIOL Sheriff of Kent, Warden of Cinque Ports, Constable of
Rochester (Nicholas de3, John de2, Robert de1). He married Joan
HAUBERVILLE, daughter of Sir William HAUBERVILLE.
Children of Nicholas de CRIOL Sheriff of Kent, Warden of Cinque Ports,
Constable of Rochester and Joan HAUBERVILLE were as follows:
+ 14 i Sir Nicholas de5 CRIOL.
Generation 5
12. Bertram de5 CRIOL (John de4, Bertram de3, John de2, Robert de1), died
1294/95. He married Eleanor de CREVEQUER, daughter of Hamon II de CREVEQUER
Lord of Chatham and Maud d' AVRANCHES.
Children of Bertram de CRIOL and Eleanor de CREVEQUER were as follows:
15 i John de6 CRIOL, died bef 1301 (dsp). He married Eleanor (---), died
25 Jan 1348/49.
16 ii Bertram II de6 CRIOL, died 1306 (dsp).
+ 17 iii Joan de6 CRIOL.
14. Sir Nicholas de5 CRIOL (Nicholas de4, Nicholas de3, John de2, Robert
de1), died Est 1320. He married Margery PECCHE, daughter of Gilbert PECCHE
of Westcliff, Kent and Joan de CREYE.
Children of Sir Nicholas de CRIOL and Margery PECCHE were as follows:
18 i Nicholas6 CRIOL Admiral of the English Fleet, died aft 1324. He
married Rosia (---).
Generation 6
17. Joan de6 CRIOL (Bertram de5, John de4, Bertram de3, John de2, Robert
de1), died 1322. She married Sir Richard de ROKESLEY, died 1321, son of Sir
John de ROKESLEY.
Children of Joan de CRIOL and Sir Richard de ROKESLEY were as follows:
+ 19 i Agnes de7 ROKESLEY.
+ 20 ii Joan de7 ROKESLEY.
Generation 7
19. Agnes de7 ROKESLEY (Joan de6 CRIOL, Bertram de5, John de4, Bertram de3,
John de2, Robert de1), born 1299 in Westwoord, Preston, Kent; died bef 30
Dec 1346; buried in Poynings. She married in 1323 Sir Thomas de POYNINGS
3rd Lord St. John of Basing, born abt 1298; died 18 Oct 1339 in Honnecourt,
son of Sir Michael de POYNINGS Lord Poynings and Margery BARDOLF.
Children of Agnes de ROKESLEY and Sir Thomas de POYNINGS 3rd Lord St. John
of Basing were as follows:
+ 21 i Michael de8 POYNINGS 1st Baron Poynings.
22 ii Thomas de8 POYNINGS, born abt 1325.
23 iii John de8 POYNINGS, born abt 1327.
+ 24 iv Luke de8 POYNINGS 4th Lord St. John of Basing.
25 v Richard de8 POYNINGS, born abt 1331.
20. Joan de7 ROKESLEY (Joan de6 CRIOL, Bertram de5, John de4, Bertram de3,
John de2, Robert de1). She married (1) in 1323 Walter de PATESHULL, died
1330; (2) aft 1330 William BAUD, died 1343.
Children of Joan de ROKESLEY and Walter de PATESHULL were as follows:
26 i Thomas de8 PATESHULL, died 1349 (dsp).
27 ii Joan de8 PATESHULL.
28 iii Elizabeth de8 PATESHULL.
Children of Joan de ROKESLEY and William BAUD were as follows:
+ 29 i William8 BAUD.
Generation 8
21. Michael de8 POYNINGS 1st Baron Poynings (Agnes de7 ROKESLEY, Joan de6
CRIOL, Bertram de5, John de4, Bertram de3, John de2, Robert de1), born abt
1323; died 15 Mar 1368/69. He married abt 1340 Joane (---), born abt 1321;
died 24 May 1369; buried in Poynings, Sussex, England.
Children of Michael de POYNINGS 1st Baron Poynings and Joane (---) were as
follows:
30 i Thomas de9 POYNINGS 2nd Baron Poynings, christened 27 Apr 1349 in
Slaugham, Sussex, died Bef 25 Jun 1375 (dsp). He married bef 13 Jun 1372
Blanche de MOWBRAY, born abt 1341 Of Epworth, Isle Of Axholme, Lincolnshire,
England; died 30 Jul 1409, daughter of John II de MOWBRAY 3rd Lord Mowbray
and Joan PLANTAGENET.
+ 31 ii Agnes de9 POYNINGS.
+ 32 iii Elizabeth de9 POYNINGS.
33 iv Margaret de9 POYNINGS.
+ 34 v Richard de9 POYNINGS 3rd Baron Poynings.
24. Luke de8 POYNINGS 4th Lord St. John of Basing (Agnes de7 ROKESLEY, Joan
de6 CRIOL, Bertram de5, John de4, Bertram de3, John de2, Robert de1), born
abt 1329; died abt 1385. He married Isabel de ST JOHN, daughter of Hugh de
ST JOHN 2nd Lord St John of Basing and Mirabel (---).
Children of Luke de POYNINGS 4th Lord St. John of Basing and Isabel de ST
JOHN were as follows:
+ 35 i Joan de9 POYNINGS.
+ 36 ii Sir Thomas9 POYNINGS 5th Lord St John of Basing.
29. William8 BAUD (Joan de7 ROKESLEY, Joan de6 CRIOL, Bertram de5, John de4,
Bertram de3, John de2, Robert de1), died 1375. He married unknown.
Children of William BAUD were as follows:
37 i Margaret9 BAUD, died 1375.
Generation 9
31. Agnes de9 POYNINGS (Michael de8, Agnes de7 ROKESLEY, Joan de6 CRIOL,
Bertram de5, John de4, Bertram de3, John de2, Robert de1), died 21 Jun 1403,
buried in Trinity Priory, Aldgate, London. She married (1) aft 18 Feb
1365/66 William BARDOLF 4th Lord Bardolf, born 29 Oct 1349 in Wormegay,
Norfolk, England; died 6 Feb 1385/86 in Friar Carmelites, Lynn, Norfolk,
England; buried in Friar Carmelites, Lynn, Norfolk, England, son of Sir John
BARDOLF 3rd Lord Bardolf and Elizabeth DAMORY; (2) aft 18 Apr 1386 Thomas
MORTIMER.
Children of Agnes de POYNINGS and William BARDOLF 4th Lord Bardolf were as
follows:
+ 38 i Thomas de10 BARDOLF 5th Baron Bardolf.
+ 39 ii Cicely10 BARDOLF.
+ 40 iii Elizabeth10 BARDOLF.
32. Elizabeth de9 POYNINGS (Michael de8, Agnes de7 ROKESLEY, Joan de6 CRIOL,
Bertram de5, John de4, Bertram de3, John de2, Robert de1). She married John
de GREY, born abt 1343; died bef 1373, son of Sir John III de GREY 2nd Lord
Grey of Rotherfield and Maud de BURGHERSH.
Children of Elizabeth de POYNINGS and John de GREY were as follows:
41 i Robert de10 GREY 5th Baron Grey of Rotherfield, born abt 1364 in
Rotherfield; died 1387.
34. Richard de9 POYNINGS 3rd Baron Poynings (Michael de8, Agnes de7
ROKESLEY, Joan de6 CRIOL, Bertram de5, John de4, Bertram de3, John de2,
Robert de1), born abt 1355; died 2 Jun 1387 in Villalpando, Zamoros, Spain.
He married Isabel FITZPAYN, died 19 Apr 1394, daughter of Robert de GREY
Baron FitzPayn and Elizabeth de BRYAN.
Children of Richard de POYNINGS 3rd Baron Poynings and Isabel FITZPAYN were
as follows:
+ 42 i Robert Lord10 POYNINGS 4th Lord Poynings.
35. Joan de9 POYNINGS (Luke de8, Agnes de7 ROKESLEY, Joan de6 CRIOL, Bertram
de5, John de4, Bertram de3, John de2, Robert de1), died 7 Jun 1394. She
married bef 5 May 1371 Henry FERRERS 4th Lord Ferrers of Groby, born 24 Feb
1355/56 in Abbey of Tilty; died 11 Feb 1387/88, son of William de FERRERS
3rd Lord Ferrers of Groby and Margaret (Maud) de UFFORD.
Children of Joan de POYNINGS and Henry FERRERS 4th Lord Ferrers of Groby
were as follows:
+ 43 i William10 FERRERS 5th Lord Ferrers of Groby.
+ 44 ii Isabel de10 FERRERS.
36. Sir Thomas9 POYNINGS 5th Lord St John of Basing (Luke de8, Agnes de7
ROKESLEY, Joan de6 CRIOL, Bertram de5, John de4, Bertram de3, John de2,
Robert de1), died 16 Mar 1428/29. He married (1) Joan (---), daughter of
Roger Lord STRANGE; (2) aft Apr 1398 Phillipe de MORTIMER, born 29 Nov 1375
in Ludlow, Shropshire; died 3 Oct 1401 in Halnaker, Sussex; buried in
Boxgrove Priory, Lewes, daughter of Edmund II de MORTIMER 3rd Earl of March,
Earl of Ulster and Phillipa PLANTAGENET.
Children of Sir Thomas POYNINGS 5th Lord St John of Basing and Joan (---)
were as follows:
+ 45 i Sir Hugh10 POYNINGS.
Generation 10
38. Thomas de10 BARDOLF 5th Baron Bardolf (Agnes de9 POYNINGS, Michael de8,
Agnes de7 ROKESLEY, Joan de6 CRIOL, Bertram de5, John de4, Bertram de3, John
de2, Robert de1), born 30 Dec 1369 in Birling, Sussex; died 28 Feb 1406/07
in Battle of Branham Moore. He married bef 16 Aug 1382 Avicia (Hawise) de
CROMWELL, born abt 1370 in Tattershal Castle; died 10 Jul 1421 in Birking,
Sussex, daughter of Ralph VI de CROMWELL 1st Lord Cromwell of Tateshal and
Maud BERNACKE.
Children of Thomas de BARDOLF 5th Baron Bardolf and Avicia (Hawise) de
CROMWELL were as follows:
46 i Ann de11 BARDOLF, born 2 Jul 1389; died 25 Nov 1453.
47 ii Joan de11 BARDOLF, born 19 Nov 1390 in Tattershal Castle; died 21 Mar
1446/47 in Dennington, Suffolk.
39. Cicely10 BARDOLF (Agnes de9 POYNINGS, Michael de8, Agnes de7 ROKESLEY,
Joan de6 CRIOL, Bertram de5, John de4, Bertram de3, John de2, Robert de1),
born abt 1380 in Tattershall Castle, Co. Lincoln; died 8 Oct 1432; buried in
Ingham Priory. She married Sir Bryan STAPLETON, born 1379; died 16 Aug 1438
of Ingham and Bedale, Yorkshire; buried in Ingham Priory, son of Sir Miles
STAPLETON and Ela de UFFORD.
Children of Cicely BARDOLF and Sir Bryan STAPLETON were as follows:
48 i Sir Miles11 STAPLETON, born 1408; died 9 Oct 1466; buried in Ingham
Priory.
49 ii Brian11 STAPLETON, died between 1461 and 1467.
50 iii Anna11 STAPLETON.
40. Elizabeth10 BARDOLF (Agnes de9 POYNINGS, Michael de8, Agnes de7
ROKESLEY, Joan de6 CRIOL, Bertram de5, John de4, Bertram de3, John de2,
Robert de1). She married (1) Robert de SCALES 5th Lord Scales, died 1402,
son of Roger de SCALES 4th Lord Scales and Joan de NORTHWODE; (2) Sir Henry
PERCY, died of Atholl.
Children of Elizabeth BARDOLF and Robert de SCALES 5th Lord Scales were as
follows:
51 i Robert de11 SCALES 6th Lord Scales, died 1418 (dsp).
52 ii Thomas de11 SCALES 7th Lord Scales, died 3 Aug 1460.
42. Robert Lord10 POYNINGS 4th Lord Poynings (Richard de9, Michael de8,
Agnes de7 ROKESLEY, Joan de6 CRIOL, Bertram de5, John de4, Bertram de3, John
de2, Robert de1), died 1446 in Siege of Orleans. He married Elizabeth de
GREY, daughter of Sir Reynold de GREY 3rd Lord Grey of Ruthin and Margaret
de ROS.
Children of Robert Lord POYNINGS 4th Lord Poynings and Elizabeth de GREY
were as follows:
53 i Richard11 POYNINGS 5th Lord Poynings, died 1430.
54 ii Robert de11 POYNINGS.
43. William10 FERRERS 5th Lord Ferrers of Groby (Joan de9 POYNINGS, Luke
de8, Agnes de7 ROKESLEY, Joan de6 CRIOL, Bertram de5, John de4, Bertram de3,
John de2, Robert de1), christened 3 May 1372 in Luton, Co. Bedford, died 27
May 1445. He married (1) aft 18 Oct 1388 Philippa CLIFFORD, born abt 1371
Of Brough Castle, Westmoreland, England; died Of Baddesley Ensor,
Staffordshire, England, daughter of Sir Roger de CLIFFORD 5th Lord Clifford,
Sheriff of Cumberland and Maud de BEAUCHAMP; (2) bef 18 Aug 1416 Margaret
MONTAGU, daughter of Sir John MONTAGU 3rd Earl of Salisbury, KG and Maude
FRANCIS; (3) bef 4 Nov 1416 Elizabeth STANDISH, died Jan 1441/42, daughter
of Robert STANDISH of Ulnes-Walton, Co. Lancaster and Iseude (---).
Children of William FERRERS 5th Lord Ferrers of Groby and Philippa CLIFFORD
were as follows:
55 i Margaret11 FERRERS, died 25 Jan 1451/52, buried in Bletchley.
56 ii Henry11 FERRERS, born abt 1390; died bef 1445.
57 iii Sir Thomas11 FERRERS, born abt 1405; died 15 Jan 1458/59.
58 iv Elizabeth11 FERRERS, buried in West Peckham.
59 v Son11 FERRERS.
60 vi Daughter11 FERRERS.
44. Isabel de10 FERRERS (Joan de9 POYNINGS, Luke de8, Agnes de7 ROKESLEY,
Joan de6 CRIOL, Bertram de5, John de4, Bertram de3, John de2, Robert de1),
died bef 1410. She married Sir John de BEAUCHAMP, born 14 Jan 1377; died 5
Sep 1420, son of John de BEAUCHAMP 1st Lord Beaucahmp of Kidderminster and
Joan le FITZWYTH.
Children of Isabel de FERRERS and Sir John de BEAUCHAMP were as follows:
61 i Margaret11 BEAUCHAMP.
45. Sir Hugh10 POYNINGS (Thomas9, Luke de8, Agnes de7 ROKESLEY, Joan de6
CRIOL, Bertram de5, John de4, Bertram de3, John de2, Robert de1), born abt
1381; died 4 Jan 1427. He married (1) bef Oct 1394 Elizabeth FERRERS, died
bef 1406, daughter of Martin FERRERS of of Bere Ferrers, Devon; (2) bef 1408
Eleanor de WELLES, born abt 1392, daughter of John (II) de WELLES 5th Lord
Welles and Eleanor de MOWBRAY.
Children of Sir Hugh POYNINGS and Elizabeth FERRERS were as follows:
62 i Joan11 POYNINGS.
Children of Sir Hugh POYNINGS and Eleanor de WELLES were as follows:
63 i Constance11 POYNINGS.
Chris Phillips
> I have pasted in my working reconstruction of the Criols from var.
sources.
> It is not documented and is only a working hypothese. They appear to have
> intermarried with several families I am working on. I am, of course,
still
> looking for documentation.
Thanks for posting that reconstruction.
I think we can safely say that there isn't a general consensus on how these
Criols should be put together!
Incidentally, Tony Ingham has also been kind enough to send me his
reconstruction of the Criols, according to which Bertram, the husband of
Eleanor de Crevacoeur (and father of John, Bertram and Joan the wife of
Richard de Rokesle), and Nicholas, the husband of Joan d'Auberville (and
father of Nicholas the husband of Margery Pecche) are brothers - the sons of
John de Criol and Maud de Eastwell.
On the whole, I think more work is needed before we can be sure whether we
have two contemporary couples called Nicholas de Criol and Margery, or one
man who married two Margerys.
Chris Phillips
ADRIANC...@cs.com
cgp...@cgp100.dabsol.co.uk writes:
For what its worth, I have the following extract from Hasted's History of
Kent (but do not seem to have made a note of the name of the manor involved):
After which this manor appears to have come into the possession
of the family of Auberville, in which it remained till Joane, daughter
and heir of William de Auberville, marrying Nicholas de Criol,
entitled him to it as part of her inheritance. At length his
descendant Bertram de Criol dying s.p. Joane his sister carried it in
marriage to Sir Richard de Rokesle, whose daughter and coheir Joane,
about the middle of king Edward II,'s reign, marrying Thomas de
Poynings, of Westhanger, on whose death in the 14th year of king
Henry VIII. without legitimate issue, and even without any collateral
kindred, who could make claim to his estates, this manor, among the
rest of them, escheated to the crown, whence it was by the king's
bounty, soon afterwards conferred on his eldest natural son Sir Thomas
Poynings, created Baron Poynings, of Ostenhanger. But in the 32d year
of it, he, with Catherine his wife, exchanged this manor, with
Westenhanger, and other premises, with the king, for other estates in
other counties. After which this manor continued, in the same owners
as Westenhanger, down to the family of Champneis, in which is now
vested, ....... (vol viii p 289)
Adrian
Chris Phillips
Criol and apparently coheir of Margery Clifford - whether or not this was
the same Nicholas (d.1303) who married Margery Pecche, and if so, which wife
was the mother of his son Nicholas. Nothing at all conclusive, but possible
some clues.
(1) The Victoria County History of Northamptonshire, under Irchester (vol.4,
p.21) has more on the Cliffords. The manor was settled, around 1275, by
Richard of Irchester on William de Clifford (rector of Irchester from 1268
and later bishop of Emly) and his brother Richard. In 1284 William held a
quarter of a knight's fee there, which he and his brother Richard
transferred to Thomas de Morton five years later, "possibly in trust for
Margery, wife of Sir Nicholas de Crioll", who was tenant in 1298 and 1316.
(I have seen the 1298 reference, and she is described simply as Margery de
Keryel, holding in Irchester and Farndish.)
The account then goes on to mention the surrender in 1313 by Richard, son
and heir of Sir John de Clifford, of his right to the three coheirs, which
we have already seen. The description of the coheirs is a little fuller than
the other accounts, though. It says Margery Criol was a widow (presumably
described as widow of Sir Nicholas de Crioll), and calls the others
Elizabeth, wife of Sir John Pabenham the elder and Margery Hereward,
daughter and heir of Margaret, late the wife of Sir Robert Hereward.
Elizabeth de Pabenham successfully sued Sir William Lovel and his wife
Margery [identified by VCH Bucks as probably Margery Hereward] for a moiety
of the manor of Irchester in 1342, and (apparently, though it's not entirely
clear from the account), the whole seems to have passed to the Pabenhams in
this way.
(2)
Chris Phillips
(2) Tony Ingham kindly sent me some details on the Criols from "The Knights
of Edward I", and also information that the manor of Benhall in Suffolk came
originally from the d'Aubervilles. From information supplied by MichaelAnne
Guido, this manor was settled by Nicholas's father on him and Margery Pecche
at their marriage, and "and his said son, with the assent of his father
dowered Margery of the said manor, so that if he, the said son, should die
without heir begotten of the said Margery, or die under age, the whole manor
should remain to her in dower for her life" [Cal. Patent Rolls 1266-1272,
p.623].
However, Nicholas de Criol in 1290 granted the manor of Benhall to Guy
Ferre. I take this as an indication that Margery Pecche may well have been
dead by this time - as Nicholas could not be sure of dying without heirs -
unless some arrangement had been made to compensate her for her dower rights
which could eb lost as a result of this grant.
If Margery were dead by 1290, then the wife Margery who survived Nicholas at
his death in 1303 would presumably be Margery the coheir of Margery
Clifford.
(3) The Pabenham inquisitions post mortem recite several fines between
Elizabeth Pabenham and Margery de Criol. In the final one, dated 2 Edward II
[1308 or 1309], Margery is described as a widow. Unfortunately I didn't have
time to copy these, but the first two fines are dated 1303 and 1304 in the
VCH Bucks account. I'll have to go back and check the dates, but it would
make sense if these transactions represented a tidying up of the 3 coheirs'
inheritance following the death of Margery Criol's husband in 1303.
(4) The evidence above generally seems consistent with Nicholas (d.1303)
having married both Margerys.
The fly in the ointment is a quitclaim by Margery de Kyriel to Geoffrey de
Braddene and Katherine his wife of the manor of Easton Neston,
Northamptonshire, dated 1301 [British Library Add. Ch. 21856]. Baker's
History of Northamptonshire [vol.2, p.139] mentions this, and says that
Geoffrey had earlier, in 1300, enfeoffed "lady Margaret widow of sir
Nicholas de Criol" [citing Madox, "Formulare Anglicanum", p.90].
If that description is correct, it must imply a different Sir Nicholas from
the one who died in 1303. What's particularly puzzling, though, and suggests
this may be an error, is that (a) the first witness of the 1301 charter is
Sir Simon Pecche (b) another, undated, charter apparently by the same woman
(she uses a similar seal) concerns land in Hinton [Cherry Hinton,
Cambridgeshire]; this ties in with another charter of Nicholas de Criolis of
a tenement in Hinton [British Library Harl. Ch. 49 A 5]. This is immediately
followed in the collection of Harleian charters by the one by which Nicholas
grants Benhall to Guy Ferre [49 A 6] - and that Nicholas is obviously the
husband of Margery Pecche.
Clearly some more research is needed to disentangle this problem.
Chris Phillips
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times.
I really don't understand what went wrong.
Sorry again!
Chris Phillips
Chris Phillips
That's yet another Criol puzzle, as none of the various reconstructions of
the Criols that we've seen make Joan the wife of Richard de Rokesle a
descendant of the d'Aubervilles.
Chris Phillips
ADRIANC...@cs.com
cgp...@cgp100.dabsol.co.uk writes:
I don't know if Hasted is correct but her repeats the d'Aubervilles
connection in the following extract:
The manor of Walmer [Walmer parish, Kent] was antiently part of
the possessions of the eminent family of Auberville, who held it by
knight's service, of Hamo de Crevequer, as of the manor of Folkestone.
At length, Sir William de Auberville, of Westenhanger, left an only
daughter and heir Joane, who marrying Nicholas de Criol, brought him
this estate as part of her inheritance.
The Criols, or Keriels, bore for their arms, Argent, two
chevrons, and a canton, gules; in imitation of their superior lords,
the Clares, earls of Gloucester, who bore Or, three chevrons, gules.
{fn See an account of these sort of bearings of coats of arms, in vol.
v. of this history, p. 297.} From him this manor devolved at length by
succession to Sir Thomas Keriell, for so their name was at that time
in general spelt, who was slain at the second battle of St. Alban's in
the 38th year of king Henry VI. in asserting the cause of the house of
York. He left two daughters his coheirs, of whom Alice the youngest,
married John Fogge , esq. of Repton, afterwards, this manor was
allotted to him, and he by will devised it to his son Sir Thomas
Fogge, sergeant-porter of Calais, both under king Henry VII. and VIII.
whose daughter and coheir Anne entitled her second husband Henry
Isham, esq. to the possession of it; but his son Edmund Isham leaving
an only daughter and heir Mary, she carried it in marriage to Sir
George Perkins, whose daughter Mary married Sir Richard Minshall, of
Cheshire, afterwards created by king Charles I in his 18th year, Baron
Minshull, of Minshull, .... (084 vol x pp 25-6)
Adrian
ADRIANC...@cs.com
Chris Phillips
I wrote:
> The fly in the ointment is a quitclaim by Margery de Kyriel to Geoffrey de
> Braddene and Katherine his wife of the manor of Easton Neston,
> Northamptonshire, dated 1301 [British Library Add. Ch. 21856]. Baker's
> History of Northamptonshire [vol.2, p.139] mentions this, and says that
> Geoffrey had earlier, in 1300, enfeoffed "lady Margaret widow of sir
> Nicholas de Criol" [citing Madox, "Formulare Anglicanum", p.90].
>
> If that description is correct, it must imply a different Sir Nicholas
from
> the one who died in 1303. What's particularly puzzling, though, and
suggests
> this may be an error, is that (a) the first witness of the 1301 charter is
> Sir Simon Pecche (b) another, undated, charter apparently by the same
woman
> (she uses a similar seal) concerns land in Hinton [Cherry Hinton,
> Cambridgeshire]; this ties in with another charter of Nicholas de Criolis
of
> a tenement in Hinton [British Library Harl. Ch. 49 A 5]. This is
immediately
> followed in the collection of Harleian charters by the one by which
Nicholas
> grants Benhall to Guy Ferre [49 A 6] - and that Nicholas is obviously the
> husband of Margery Pecche.
I've just noticed that the account of Criol in the Complete Peerage
describes Nicholas de Criol, the father of Nicholas (d.1303) as of Cherry
Hinton, Cambridgeshire.
So the Margery de Criol connected with Cherry Hinton must have been the
widow of the Nicholas de Criol who died 1303. (Although in the Criol
charters, it is described only as Hinton, with no county specified, the
charter of Nicholas de Cryel is witnessed by a "Robert of the manor of
Theuersam", and Teversham is less than 2 miles from Cherry Hinton. Alan de
"Coulinge" is the grantee of this charter, and Alan "Culling" is the first
witness of Margery de Criol's Hinton charter.)
Given the similarity of the seals attached to the Cherry Hinton and Easton
Neston charters (one seal is incomplete), both appear to be grants by the
same Margery de Criol. So it seems Baker must be wrong in describing the
Margery de Criol connected with Easton Neston as a widow in 1300.
That would remove the one piece of evidence that points towards two separate
Nicholases having married two different Margerys. But it would be nice to
have an absolutely clear indication that it was the same Nicholas who
married both.
Chris Phillips
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"Clifford".
Mardi Carter has kindly sent me details of a pedigree from Beds Rec. Society
(vol.14, after p.132,
pedigree 2), which gives Nicholas de Criol (d.1273), the father of Nicholas
(d.1303), a second wife (after Joan d'Auberville) Margery, the mother of
Elizabeth Pabenham and Margaret Hereward. Margery is described as
"testatrix", which suggests this may be based on the evidence of a will.
On the same lines, Doug Smith has mentioned a GEDCOM at www.penrose.org,
based on Louis Sorley, "The Sorley Pedigrees", pp.39-45, which also has a
Margery Clifford marrying the elder Nicholas de Criol and having by him a
daughter who married John de Pabenham. We haven't been able to locate "The
Sorley Pedigrees" on online library catalogues.
Looking again at the Complete Peerage, it does refer to Joan d'Auberville as
Nicholas's _first_ wife, but doesn't say who his second wife was.
Chronologically, the Margery Clifford who appears in 1254, and who married
(i) Peter de St Martin and (ii)before 1260 Peter Dansey (living 1266), could
have married Nicholas de Criol (d.1273), and could have been the mother of
Elizabeth the wife of John Pabenham. This would explain why she occurs
simply as Margery de Criol in 1298. As the wife of the elder Sir Nicholas,
Margery could have been granted dower in Cherry Hinton, and could also have
figured in a transaction in 1300 as the widow, rather than the wife, of Sir
Nicholas (as Baker's History of Northamptonshire describes her).
However, we should have to assume that references to her in feudal surveys
as late as 1361 are anachronisms copied from earlier records.
More puzzling is the interpretation of the Victoria County Histories of
Buckinghamshire and Northamptonshire, that Margery was a coheir with
Elizabeth Pabenham and Margery Hereward, not their mother. It's starting to
look as though that may be a mistaken interpretation after all.
Chris Phillips
Doug Smith
on a limited, but thanks to SGM members, growing number of documents.
As usual - caveat emptor.
1. Robert de1 CRUEL, born in Criel-sur-Mer, Seine-Maritime; died aft
1086. He married unknown.
Children of Robert de CRUEL were as follows:
+ 2 i Bertram de2 CRIOL.
Generation 2
2. Bertram de2 CRIOL (Robert de1), died Est 1160. He married Emma de
CREVEQUER, daughter of Elias de CREVEQUER.
Children of Bertram de CRIOL and Emma de CREVEQUER were as follows:
+ 3 i John de3 CRIOL.
Generation 3
3. John de3 CRIOL (Bertram de2, Robert de1), died aft 1194. He
married Margery (---).
Children of John de CRIOL and Margery (---) were as follows:
+ 4 i Bertram de4 CRIOL Sheriff of Kent.
5 ii Simon4 CRIOL.
6 iii William4 CRIOL.
+ 7 iv Nicholas de4 CRIOL.
+ 8 v Cecilia de4 CRIOL.
Generation 4
4. Bertram de4 CRIOL Sheriff of Kent (John de3, Bertram de2, Robert
de1), died aft 1230. He married unknown.
Children of Bertram de CRIOL Sheriff of Kent were as follows:
+ 9 i John de5 CRIOL.
10 ii Bertram de5 CRIOL, died bef 1319 (dsp).
+ 11 iii Nicholas5 CRIOL Sheriff of Kent, Warden of Cinque Ports,
Constable of Rochester.
12 iv Katherine de5 CRIOL. She married Geoffrey? de BRADDEN.
7. Nicholas de4 CRIOL (John de3, Bertram de2, Robert de1), died Est
1240. He married Joan NEVYLL.
Children of Nicholas de CRIOL and Joan NEVYLL were as follows:
13 i Bertram5 CRIOL, died dsp.
14 ii Simon5 CRIOL, died dsp.
8. Cecilia de4 CRIOL (John de3, Bertram de2, Robert de1). She married
Simon d' AVRANCHES, died 1203, son of William d' AVRANCHES Lord of
Folkestone.
Children of Cecilia de CRIOL and Simon d' AVRANCHES were as follows:
+ 15 i William d'5 AVRANCHES.
Generation 5
9. John de5 CRIOL (Bertram de4, John de3, Bertram de2, Robert de1),
born Est 1200; died 1262/64. He married Maud de EASTWELL, died 1268,
daughter of William de WELLE and Margery (---).
Children of John de CRIOL and Maud de EASTWELL were as follows:
+ 16 i Bertram de6 CRIOL.
11. Nicholas5 CRIOL Sheriff of Kent, Warden of Cinque Ports, Constable
of Rochester (Bertram de4, John de3, Bertram de2, Robert de1), born
abt 1220; died 1273 of Cherry Hinton, Cambridgeshire. He married (1)
Joan d' AUBERVILLE, born abt 1226; died 6 Nov 1280, daughter of Sir
William d' AUBERVILLE and Isabel (---); (2) aft 1266 Margery de
CLIFFORD, born abt 1240; died aft Mar 1318/19, daughter of Sir John de
CLIFFORD of Frampton-on-Severn, Co. Gloucester and Margery HEREWARD.
Children of Nicholas CRIOL Sheriff of Kent, Warden of Cinque Ports,
Constable of Rochester and Joan d' AUBERVILLE were as follows:
+ 17 i Sir Nicholas de6 CRIOL.
Children of Nicholas CRIOL Sheriff of Kent, Warden of Cinque Ports,
Constable of Rochester and Margery de CLIFFORD were as follows:
+ 18 i Elizabeth6 CRIOL.
+ 19 ii Margaret6 CRIOL.
15. William d'5 AVRANCHES (Cecilia de4 CRIOL, John de3, Bertram de2,
Robert de1), died 1230. He married Maud BOCLAND, daughter of William
de BOCLAND and Maud de SAY.
Children of William d' AVRANCHES and Maud BOCLAND were as follows:
+ 20 i Maud d'6 AVRANCHES.
21 ii William d'6 AVRANCHES, died 1236 (dsp).
Generation 6
16. Bertram de6 CRIOL (John de5, Bertram de4, John de3, Bertram de2,
Robert de1), born abt 1231; died 1294/95. He married Eleanor de
CREVEQUER (see 28), died 1301, daughter of Hamon II de CREVEQUER Lord
of Chatham and Maud d' AVRANCHES.
Children of Bertram de CRIOL and Eleanor de CREVEQUER were as
follows:
22 i John de7 CRIOL, died bef 1301 (dsp). He married Eleanor (---),
died 25 Jan 1348/49.
23 ii Bertram II de7 CRIOL, died 1306 (dsp). He married Petronilla
(---), died dsp.
+ 24 iii Joan de7 CRIOL.
17. Sir Nicholas de6 CRIOL (Nicholas5, Bertram de4, John de3, Bertram
de2, Robert de1), born abt 1260; died 20 Oct 1303. He married Margery
PECCHE, born abt 1262; died 1345, daughter of Gilbert PECCHE of
Westcliff, Kent and Joan de CREYE.
Children of Sir Nicholas de CRIOL and Margery PECCHE were as follows:
+ 25 i Nicholas7 CRIOL Admiral of the English Fleet.
18. Elizabeth6 CRIOL (Nicholas5, Bertram de4, John de3, Bertram de2,
Robert de1), born bef 1273; died 1345. She married in 1313 John
PABENHAM, born bef 1269 in Pabenham, Cambridgeshire; died 1331, son of
John de PABENHAM and nn de MORIN.
Children of Elizabeth CRIOL and John PABENHAM were as follows:
+ 26 i Thomas7 PABENHAM.
19. Margaret6 CRIOL (Nicholas5, Bertram de4, John de3, Bertram de2,
Robert de1), born bef 1273. She married Sir Robert HEREWARD, born abt
1270.
Children of Margaret CRIOL and Sir Robert HEREWARD were as follows:
27 i Margery7 HEREWARD, died aft 1342.
20. Maud d'6 AVRANCHES (William d'5, Cecilia de4 CRIOL, John de3,
Bertram de2, Robert de1), died 1271. She married Hamon II de
CREVEQUER Lord of Chatham, died 1263, son of Robert II de CREVEQUER
Lord of Chatham.
Children of Maud d' AVRANCHES and Hamon II de CREVEQUER Lord of
Chatham were as follows:
+ 28 i Eleanor de7 CREVEQUER.
+ 29 ii Agnes de7 CREVEQUER.
+ 30 iii Isolda de7 CREVEQUER.
31 iv Isabel de7 CREVEQUER, died 1283 (dsp). She married Henry of
GANT, died 1281.
32 v William de7 CREVEQUER, died dsp.
+ 33 vi Hamon fitz Hamon III de7 CREVEQUER.
Generation 7
24. Joan de7 CRIOL (Bertram de6, John de5, Bertram de4, John de3,
Bertram de2, Robert de1), died 18 Mar 1323. She married Sir Richard
de ROKESLEY, died 1321, son of Sir John de ROKESLEY.
Children of Joan de CRIOL and Sir Richard de ROKESLEY were as
follows:
+ 34 i Joan de8 ROKESLEY.
+ 35 ii Agnes de8 ROKESLEY.
25. Nicholas7 CRIOL Admiral of the English Fleet (Nicholas de6,
Nicholas5, Bertram de4, John de3, Bertram de2, Robert de1), born 5 Jan
1280; died aft 1324. He married Rosia (---).
Children of Nicholas CRIOL Admiral of the English Fleet and Rosia
(---) were as follows:
36 i John8 CRIOL.
37 ii Elizabeth8 CRIOL.
26. Thomas7 PABENHAM (Elizabeth6 CRIOL, Nicholas5, Bertram de4, John
de3, Bertram de2, Robert de1), born abt 1313 in Pabenham,
Cambridgeshire; died 26 Aug 1344. He married abt 1333 Alice d'
UFFORD, born abt 1310, daughter of Sir Robert de UFFORD , Baron Ufford
and Cecily de VALOINES.
Children of Thomas PABENHAM and Alice d' UFFORD were as follows:
+ 38 i Sir Lawrence de8 PABENHAM.
28. Eleanor de7 CREVEQUER (Maud d'6 AVRANCHES, William d'5, Cecilia
de4 CRIOL, John de3, Bertram de2, Robert de1), died 1301. She married
Bertram de CRIOL (see 16), born abt 1231; died 1294/95, son of John de
CRIOL and Maud de EASTWELL.
Children of Eleanor de CREVEQUER and Bertram de CRIOL were as
follows:
39 i John de8 CRIOL, died bef 1301 (dsp). He married Eleanor (---),
died 25 Jan 1348/49.
40 ii Bertram II de8 CRIOL, died 1306 (dsp). He married Petronilla
(---), died dsp.
+ 41 iii Joan de8 CRIOL.
29. Agnes de7 CREVEQUER (Maud d'6 AVRANCHES, William d'5, Cecilia de4
CRIOL, John de3, Bertram de2, Robert de1). She married John de
SANDWICH, son of Henry de SANDWICH and Lucia (---).
Children of Agnes de CREVEQUER and John de SANDWICH were as follows:
+ 42 i John de8 SANDWICH.
30. Isolda de7 CREVEQUER (Maud d'6 AVRANCHES, William d'5, Cecilia de4
CRIOL, John de3, Bertram de2, Robert de1), died bef 1263. She married
Nicholas de LENHAM, died aft 1273.
Children of Isolda de CREVEQUER and Nicholas de LENHAM were as
follows:
43 i John de8 LENHAM, died 1316.
33. Hamon fitz Hamon III de7 CREVEQUER (Maud d'6 AVRANCHES, William
d'5, Cecilia de4 CRIOL, John de3, Bertram de2, Robert de1). He
married unknown.
Children of Hamon fitz Hamon III de CREVEQUER were as follows:
44 i Robert III de8 CREVEQUER Lord of Chatham, died bef 1290.
Generation 8
34. Joan de8 ROKESLEY (Joan de7 CRIOL, Bertram de6, John de5, Bertram
de4, John de3, Bertram de2, Robert de1). She married (1) in 1316/17
Walter de PATESHULL, died 1330, son of Simon de PATESHULL Lord of
Pateshull and Bletsoe and Isabella de STONEGRAVE; (2) aft 1330 William
BAUD, died 1343.
Children of Joan de ROKESLEY and Walter de PATESHULL were as follows:
+ 45 i Elizabeth de9 PATESHULL.
46 ii Joan de9 PATESHULL, born abt 1325. She married John de la LEE.
47 iii Thomas de9 PATESHULL, born abt 17 Jun 1330; died 1349 (dsp).
Children of Joan de ROKESLEY and William BAUD were as follows:
+ 48 i William9 BAUD.
35. Agnes de8 ROKESLEY (Joan de7 CRIOL, Bertram de6, John de5, Bertram
de4, John de3, Bertram de2, Robert de1), born 1299 in Westwoord,
Preston, Kent; died bef 30 Dec 1346; buried in Poynings. She married
in 1323 Sir Thomas de POYNINGS 3rd Lord St. John of Basing, born abt
1298; died 18 Oct 1339 in Honnecourt, son of Sir Michael de POYNINGS
Lord Poynings and Margery BARDOLF.
Children of Agnes de ROKESLEY and Sir Thomas de POYNINGS 3rd Lord St.
John of Basing were as follows:
+ 49 i Michael de9 POYNINGS 1st Baron Poynings.
50 ii Thomas de9 POYNINGS, born abt 1325.
51 iii John de9 POYNINGS, born abt 1327.
+ 52 iv Luke de9 POYNINGS 4th Lord St. John of Basing.
53 v Richard de9 POYNINGS, born abt 1331.
38. Sir Lawrence de8 PABENHAM (Thomas7, Elizabeth6 CRIOL, Nicholas5,
Bertram de4, John de3, Bertram de2, Robert de1), born abt 1335 in
Pabenham, Cambridgeshire; died 18 Jun 1399. He married abt 1360
Elizabeth d' ENGAINE, born 1342 in Cambridgeshire; died abt 1387,
daughter of John III d' ENGAINE and Joan PEVEREL.
Children of Sir Lawrence de PABENHAM and Elizabeth d' ENGAINE were as
follows:
+ 54 i Katharine9 PABENHAM.
+ 55 ii Alianor9 PABENHAM.
41. Joan de8 CRIOL (Eleanor de7 CREVEQUER, Maud d'6 AVRANCHES, William
d'5, Cecilia de4 CRIOL, John de3, Bertram de2, Robert de1), died 18
Mar 1323. She married Sir Richard de ROKESLEY, died 1321, son of Sir
John de ROKESLEY.
Children of Joan de CRIOL and Sir Richard de ROKESLEY were as
follows:
+ 56 i Joan de9 ROKESLEY.
+ 57 ii Agnes de9 ROKESLEY.
42. John de8 SANDWICH (Agnes de7 CREVEQUER, Maud d'6 AVRANCHES,
William d'5, Cecilia de4 CRIOL, John de3, Bertram de2, Robert de1),
died 1282. He married Alice (---).
Children of John de SANDWICH and Alice (---) were as follows:
+ 58 i Juliane de9 SANDWICH.
Generation 9
45. Elizabeth de9 PATESHULL (Joan de8 ROKESLEY, Joan de7 CRIOL,
Bertram de6, John de5, Bertram de4, John de3, Bertram de2, Robert
de1), born abt 1319. She married Sir Robert GEDDING, born abt 1317;
buried in Bokeham, Surrey, son of Thomas GEDDING.
Children of Elizabeth de PATESHULL and Sir Robert GEDDING were as
follows:
+ 59 i John10 GEDDING.
48. William9 BAUD (Joan de8 ROKESLEY, Joan de7 CRIOL, Bertram de6,
John de5, Bertram de4, John de3, Bertram de2, Robert de1), died 1375.
He married unknown.
Children of William BAUD were as follows:
60 i Margaret10 BAUD, died 1375.
49. Michael de9 POYNINGS 1st Baron Poynings (Agnes de8 ROKESLEY, Joan
de7 CRIOL, Bertram de6, John de5, Bertram de4, John de3, Bertram de2,
Robert de1), born abt 1323; died 15 Mar 1368/69. He married abt 1340
Joane (---), born abt 1321; died 24 May 1369; buried in Poynings,
Sussex, England.
Children of Michael de POYNINGS 1st Baron Poynings and Joane (---)
were as follows:
61 i Thomas de10 POYNINGS 2nd Baron Poynings, christened 27 Apr 1349
in Slaugham, Sussex, died Bef 25 Jun 1375 (dsp). He married bef 13
Jun 1372 Blanche de MOWBRAY, born abt 1341 Of Epworth, Isle Of
Axholme, Lincolnshire, England; died 30 Jul 1409, daughter of John II
de MOWBRAY 3rd Lord Mowbray and Joan PLANTAGENET.
+ 62 ii Agnes de10 POYNINGS.
+ 63 iii Elizabeth de10 POYNINGS.
64 iv Margaret de10 POYNINGS.
+ 65 v Richard de10 POYNINGS 3rd Baron Poynings.
52. Luke de9 POYNINGS 4th Lord St. John of Basing (Agnes de8 ROKESLEY,
Joan de7 CRIOL, Bertram de6, John de5, Bertram de4, John de3, Bertram
de2, Robert de1), born abt 1329; died abt 1385. He married Isabel de
ST JOHN, daughter of Hugh de ST JOHN 2nd Lord St John of Basing and
Mirabel (---).
Children of Luke de POYNINGS 4th Lord St. John of Basing and Isabel
de ST JOHN were as follows:
+ 66 i Joan de10 POYNINGS.
+ 67 ii Sir Thomas10 POYNINGS 5th Lord St John of Basing.
54. Katharine9 PABENHAM (Lawrence de8, Thomas7, Elizabeth6 CRIOL,
Nicholas5, Bertram de4, John de3, Bertram de2, Robert de1), born 1372;
died 26 Jun 1436. She married (1) William CHENEY, born abt 1370; (2)
Thomas AYLESBURY of Blatherwycke, Co. Northampton, born abt 1369; died
18 Sep 1418, son of Sir John AYLESBURY of Milton Keynes, Co.
Buckingham and Isabel le STRANGE.
Children of Katharine PABENHAM and William CHENEY were as follows:
+ 68 i Laurence10 CHENEY of Fen Ditton, Co. Cambridge.
69 ii Anna10 CHENEY, born abt 1397.
70 iii John10 CHENEY, born abt 1399.
71 iv Joan10 CHENEY, born abt 1401.
Children of Katharine PABENHAM and Thomas AYLESBURY of Blatherwycke,
Co. Northampton were as follows:
+ 72 i Eleanor10 AYLESBURY.
73 ii Thomas10 AYLESBURY, died dsp.
+ 74 iii Isabel10 AYLESBURY.
55. Alianor9 PABENHAM (Lawrence de8, Thomas7, Elizabeth6 CRIOL,
Nicholas5, Bertram de4, John de3, Bertram de2, Robert de1). She
married John TYRINGHAM, son of Sir John TYRINGHAM.
Children of Alianor PABENHAM and John TYRINGHAM were as follows:
+ 75 i John10 TYRINGHAM.
56. Joan de9 ROKESLEY (Joan de8 CRIOL, Eleanor de7 CREVEQUER, Maud d'6
AVRANCHES, William d'5, Cecilia de4 CRIOL, John de3, Bertram de2,
Robert de1). She married (1) in 1316/17 Walter de PATESHULL, died
1330, son of Simon de PATESHULL Lord of Pateshull and Bletsoe and
Isabella de STONEGRAVE; (2) aft 1330 William BAUD, died 1343.
Children of Joan de ROKESLEY and Walter de PATESHULL were as follows:
+ 76 i Elizabeth de10 PATESHULL.
77 ii Joan de10 PATESHULL, born abt 1325. She married John de la
LEE.
78 iii Thomas de10 PATESHULL, born abt 17 Jun 1330; died 1349 (dsp).
Children of Joan de ROKESLEY and William BAUD were as follows:
+ 79 i William10 BAUD.
57. Agnes de9 ROKESLEY (Joan de8 CRIOL, Eleanor de7 CREVEQUER, Maud
d'6 AVRANCHES, William d'5, Cecilia de4 CRIOL, John de3, Bertram de2,
Robert de1), born 1299 in Westwoord, Preston, Kent; died bef 30 Dec
1346; buried in Poynings. She married in 1323 Sir Thomas de POYNINGS
3rd Lord St. John of Basing, born abt 1298; died 18 Oct 1339 in
Honnecourt, son of Sir Michael de POYNINGS Lord Poynings and Margery
BARDOLF.
Children of Agnes de ROKESLEY and Sir Thomas de POYNINGS 3rd Lord St.
John of Basing were as follows:
+ 80 i Michael de10 POYNINGS 1st Baron Poynings.
81 ii Thomas de10 POYNINGS, born abt 1325.
82 iii John de10 POYNINGS, born abt 1327.
+ 83 iv Luke de10 POYNINGS 4th Lord St. John of Basing.
84 v Richard de10 POYNINGS, born abt 1331.
58. Juliane de9 SANDWICH (John de8, Agnes de7 CREVEQUER, Maud d'6
AVRANCHES, William d'5, Cecilia de4 CRIOL, John de3, Bertram de2,
Robert de1). She married (1) bef 1297 Richard WEYLAND, died bef Nov
1306; (2) John de SEGRAVE, born abt 1290 Of England; died Jun 1343,
son of John de SEGRAVE and Christiane de PLESSIS.
Children of Juliane de SANDWICH and John de SEGRAVE were as follows:
+ 85 i John de10 SEGRAVE.
Generation 10
59. John10 GEDDING (Elizabeth de9 PATESHULL, Joan de8 ROKESLEY, Joan
de7 CRIOL, Bertram de6, John de5, Bertram de4, John de3, Bertram de2,
Robert de1), died aft 1397. He married unknown.
Children of John GEDDING were as follows:
86 i John11 GEDDING.
62. Agnes de10 POYNINGS (Michael de9, Agnes de8 ROKESLEY, Joan de7
CRIOL, Bertram de6, John de5, Bertram de4, John de3, Bertram de2,
Robert de1), died 21 Jun 1403, buried in Trinity Priory, Aldgate,
London. She married (1) aft 18 Feb 1365/66 William BARDOLF 4th Lord
Bardolf, born 29 Oct 1349 in Wormegay, Norfolk, England; died 6 Feb
1385/86 in Friar Carmelites, Lynn, Norfolk, England; buried in Friar
Carmelites, Lynn, Norfolk, England, son of Sir John BARDOLF 3rd Lord
Bardolf and Elizabeth DAMORY; (2) aft 18 Apr 1386 Thomas MORTIMER.
Children of Agnes de POYNINGS and William BARDOLF 4th Lord Bardolf
were as follows:
87 i Thomas de11 BARDOLF 5th Baron Bardolf, born 30 Dec 1369 in
Birling, Sussex; died 28 Feb 1406/07 in Battle of Branham Moore.
88 ii Cicely11 BARDOLF, born abt 1380 in Tattershall Castle, Co.
Lincoln; died 8 Oct 1432; buried in Ingham Priory.
89 iii Elizabeth11 BARDOLF.
63. Elizabeth de10 POYNINGS (Michael de9, Agnes de8 ROKESLEY, Joan de7
CRIOL, Bertram de6, John de5, Bertram de4, John de3, Bertram de2,
Robert de1). She married John de GREY, born abt 1343; died bef 1373,
son of Sir John III de GREY 2nd Lord Grey of Rotherfield and Maud de
BURGHERSH.
Children of Elizabeth de POYNINGS and John de GREY were as follows:
90 i Robert de11 GREY 5th Baron Grey of Rotherfield, born abt 1364 in
Rotherfield; died 1387.
65. Richard de10 POYNINGS 3rd Baron Poynings (Michael de9, Agnes de8
ROKESLEY, Joan de7 CRIOL, Bertram de6, John de5, Bertram de4, John
de3, Bertram de2, Robert de1), born abt 1355; died 2 Jun 1387 in
Villalpando, Zamoros, Spain. He married Isabel FITZPAYN, born abt
1364; died 19 Apr 1394, daughter of Robert de GREY Baron FitzPayn and
Elizabeth de BRYAN.
Children of Richard de POYNINGS 3rd Baron Poynings and Isabel
FITZPAYN were as follows:
91 i Robert Lord11 POYNINGS 4th Lord Poynings, born 11 Dec 1382; died
1446 in Siege of Orleans.
92 ii Joan11 POYNINGS, born abt 1387.
66. Joan de10 POYNINGS (Luke de9, Agnes de8 ROKESLEY, Joan de7 CRIOL,
Bertram de6, John de5, Bertram de4, John de3, Bertram de2, Robert
de1), died 7 Jun 1394. She married bef 5 May 1371 Henry FERRERS 4th
Lord Ferrers of Groby, born 24 Feb 1355/56 in Abbey of Tilty; died 11
Feb 1387/88, son of William de FERRERS 3rd Lord Ferrers of Groby and
Margaret (Maud) de UFFORD.
Children of Joan de POYNINGS and Henry FERRERS 4th Lord Ferrers of
Groby were as follows:
93 i William11 FERRERS 5th Lord Ferrers of Groby, christened 3 May
1372 in Luton, Co. Bedford, died 27 May 1445.
94 ii Isabel de11 FERRERS, died bef 1410.
67. Sir Thomas10 POYNINGS 5th Lord St John of Basing (Luke de9, Agnes
de8 ROKESLEY, Joan de7 CRIOL, Bertram de6, John de5, Bertram de4, John
de3, Bertram de2, Robert de1), died 16 Mar 1428/29. He married (1)
Joan (---), daughter of Roger Lord STRANGE; (2) aft Apr 1398 Phillipe
de MORTIMER, born 29 Nov 1375 in Ludlow, Shropshire; died 3 Oct 1401
in Halnaker, Sussex; buried in Boxgrove Priory, Lewes, daughter of
Edmund II de MORTIMER 3rd Earl of March, Earl of Ulster and Phillipa
PLANTAGENET.
Children of Sir Thomas POYNINGS 5th Lord St John of Basing and Joan
(---) were as follows:
95 i Sir Hugh11 POYNINGS, born abt 1381; died 4 Jan 1427.
68. Laurence10 CHENEY of Fen Ditton, Co. Cambridge (Katharine9
PABENHAM, Lawrence de8, Thomas7, Elizabeth6 CRIOL, Nicholas5, Bertram
de4, John de3, Bertram de2, Robert de1), born abt 1396. He married
Elizabeth COKAYNE, daughter of Sir John III COKAYNE of Bury Hatley and
Edith (Ida) de GREY.
Children of Laurence CHENEY of Fen Ditton, Co. Cambridge and
Elizabeth COKAYNE were as follows:
96 i Sir John11 CHENEY, born abt 1432; died 23 Jul 1489.
97 ii Elizabeth11 CHENEY, born 1428; died 4 Oct 1473.
98 iii Mary11 CHENEY.
99 iv Catherine11 CHENEY.
72. Eleanor10 AYLESBURY (Katharine9 PABENHAM, Lawrence de8, Thomas7,
Elizabeth6 CRIOL, Nicholas5, Bertram de4, John de3, Bertram de2,
Robert de1). She married Humphrey STAFFORD of Grafton, Co. Worcester,
born 1400; died aft 1467, son of Sir Humphrey de STAFFORD and
Elizabeth BINDETTE.
Children of Eleanor AYLESBURY and Humphrey STAFFORD of Grafton, Co.
Worcester were as follows:
100 i Elizabeth11 STAFFORD.
101 ii Sir Humphrey11 STAFFORD, died 17 Jul 1486 in Tyburn
(executed).
74. Isabel10 AYLESBURY (Katharine9 PABENHAM, Lawrence de8, Thomas7,
Elizabeth6 CRIOL, Nicholas5, Bertram de4, John de3, Bertram de2,
Robert de1), born abt 1410. She married abt 1429 Sir Thomas CHAWORTH,
born abt 1385 of Wiverton, Co. Nottingham; died 26 Feb 1458/59, son of
Sir William CHAWORTH and Alice CALTOFT.
Children of Isabel AYLESBURY and Sir Thomas CHAWORTH were as follows:
102 i Sir William11 CHAWORTH.
103 ii Catherine11 CHAWORTH, born abt 1432.
75. John10 TYRINGHAM (Alianor9 PABENHAM, Lawrence de8, Thomas7,
Elizabeth6 CRIOL, Nicholas5, Bertram de4, John de3, Bertram de2,
Robert de1). He married Alicia (---).
Children of John TYRINGHAM and Alicia (---) were as follows:
104 i John11 TYRINGHAM.
76. Elizabeth de10 PATESHULL (Joan de9 ROKESLEY, Joan de8 CRIOL,
Eleanor de7 CREVEQUER, Maud d'6 AVRANCHES, William d'5, Cecilia de4
CRIOL, John de3, Bertram de2, Robert de1), born abt 1319. She married
Sir Robert GEDDING, born abt 1317; buried in Bokeham, Surrey, son of
Thomas GEDDING.
Children of Elizabeth de PATESHULL and Sir Robert GEDDING were as
follows:
105 i John11 GEDDING, died aft 1397.
79. William10 BAUD (Joan de9 ROKESLEY, Joan de8 CRIOL, Eleanor de7
CREVEQUER, Maud d'6 AVRANCHES, William d'5, Cecilia de4 CRIOL, John
de3, Bertram de2, Robert de1), died 1375. He married unknown.
Children of William BAUD were as follows:
106 i Margaret11 BAUD, died 1375.
80. Michael de10 POYNINGS 1st Baron Poynings (Agnes de9 ROKESLEY, Joan
de8 CRIOL, Eleanor de7 CREVEQUER, Maud d'6 AVRANCHES, William d'5,
Cecilia de4 CRIOL, John de3, Bertram de2, Robert de1), born abt 1323;
died 15 Mar 1368/69. He married abt 1340 Joane (---), born abt 1321;
died 24 May 1369; buried in Poynings, Sussex, England.
Children of Michael de POYNINGS 1st Baron Poynings and Joane (---)
were as follows:
107 i Thomas de11 POYNINGS 2nd Baron Poynings, christened 27 Apr 1349
in Slaugham, Sussex, died Bef 25 Jun 1375 (dsp).
108 ii Agnes de11 POYNINGS, died 21 Jun 1403, buried in Trinity
Priory, Aldgate, London.
109 iii Elizabeth de11 POYNINGS.
110 iv Margaret de11 POYNINGS.
111 v Richard de11 POYNINGS 3rd Baron Poynings, born abt 1355; died 2
Jun 1387 in Villalpando, Zamoros, Spain.
83. Luke de10 POYNINGS 4th Lord St. John of Basing (Agnes de9
ROKESLEY, Joan de8 CRIOL, Eleanor de7 CREVEQUER, Maud d'6 AVRANCHES,
William d'5, Cecilia de4 CRIOL, John de3, Bertram de2, Robert de1),
born abt 1329; died abt 1385. He married Isabel de ST JOHN, daughter
of Hugh de ST JOHN 2nd Lord St John of Basing and Mirabel (---).
Children of Luke de POYNINGS 4th Lord St. John of Basing and Isabel
de ST JOHN were as follows:
112 i Joan de11 POYNINGS, died 7 Jun 1394.
113 ii Sir Thomas11 POYNINGS 5th Lord St John of Basing, died 16 Mar
1428/29.
85. John de10 SEGRAVE (Juliane de9 SANDWICH, John de8, Agnes de7
CREVEQUER, Maud d'6 AVRANCHES, William d'5, Cecilia de4 CRIOL, John
de3, Bertram de2, Robert de1), born abt 1313; died bef 26 May 1349.
He married nn (---).
Children of John de SEGRAVE and nn (---) were as follows:
114 i Mary11 SEGRAVE, born abt 1349; died bef 1 Sep 1349.
Doug
Robert S Baxter
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From: use...@rootsweb.com [mailto:use...@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Doug
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Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 6:49 AM
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Subject: Re: Margery Pecche or Clifford, wife of Nicholas de Criol
Dear Doug,
In generation 6 Maud d'Avranches married Hamo II de Crevecoeur son of Robert
II de Crevecoeur. I would think that Hamo and Robert have to have been
descendants of Hamo Dentatus six or so generations earlier. Do you know the
connections?
Regards,
Bob
Re
Doug Smith
I think it goes like this:
1. Haimo1 DENTATUS Lord of Torigny-sur-Vire, Manche, born abt 1002 in
Torigny-sur-Vire, Manche; died 1047 in Val-es-Dunes. He married
unknown.
Children of Haimo DENTATUS Lord of Torigny-sur-Vire, Manche were as
follows:
+ 2 i Haimo "Dapifer"2 FITZHAIMO Sheriff of Kent.
Generation 2
2. Haimo "Dapifer"2 FITZHAIMO Sheriff of Kent (Haimo1), born abt 1032
Of France; died 1100. He married unknown.
Children of Haimo "Dapifer" FITZHAIMO Sheriff of Kent were as
follows:
+ 3 i Robert3 FITZHAIMO Lord of Crelly, Baron of Thoringni.
+ 4 ii Haimo FitzHaimo de3 CREVAQUER Sheriff of Kent.
Generation 3
3. Robert3 FITZHAIMO Lord of Crelly, Baron of Thoringni (Haimo
"Dapifer"2, Haimo1), born abt 1070 in East Chester, England; died 17
Mar 1107. He married abt 1084 Of Normandy, France Sibyl de
MONTGOMERY, born abt 1066 Of St Germain Montgomery, Normandy, France,
daughter of Roger II de MONTGOMERY 1st Earl of Shrewsbury and Mabel
TALVAS de Alencon.
Children of Robert FITZHAIMO Lord of Crelly, Baron of Thoringni and
Sibyl de MONTGOMERY were as follows:
+ 5 i Maud (Mabel) (Sibyl)4 FITZHAIMO.
4. Haimo FitzHaimo de3 CREVAQUER Sheriff of Kent (Haimo "Dapifer"2,
Haimo1), died 1119. He married unknown.
Children of Haimo FitzHaimo de CREVAQUER Sheriff of Kent were as
follows:
+ 6 i Robert I de4 CREVEQUER Lord of Chatham.
Generation 4
6. Robert I de4 CREVEQUER Lord of Chatham (Haimo FitzHaimo de3, Haimo
"Dapifer"2, Haimo1), died 1154. He married unknown.
Children of Robert I de CREVEQUER Lord of Chatham were as follows:
+ 15 i Daniel de5 CREVEQUER Lord of Chatham.
Generation 5
15. Daniel de5 CREVEQUER Lord of Chatham (Robert I de4, Haimo
FitzHaimo de3, Haimo "Dapifer"2, Haimo1), died 1177. He married
unknown.
Children of Daniel de CREVEQUER Lord of Chatham were as follows:
+ 25 i Robert II de6 CREVEQUER Lord of Chatham.
Generation 6
25. Robert II de6 CREVEQUER Lord of Chatham (Daniel de5, Robert I de4,
Haimo FitzHaimo de3, Haimo "Dapifer"2, Haimo1), died 1216. He married
unknown.
Children of Robert II de CREVEQUER Lord of Chatham were as follows:
+ 47 i Hamon II de7 CREVEQUER Lord of Chatham.
+ 48 ii Sybil de7 CREVEQUER.
Generation 7
47. Hamon II de7 CREVEQUER Lord of Chatham (Robert II de6, Daniel de5,
Robert I de4, Haimo FitzHaimo de3, Haimo "Dapifer"2, Haimo1), died
1263. He married Maud d' AVRANCHES, died 1271, daughter of William d'
AVRANCHES and Maud BOCLAND.
Children of Hamon II de CREVEQUER Lord of Chatham and Maud d'
AVRANCHES were as follows:
+ 111 i Eleanor de8 CREVEQUER.
+ 112 ii Agnes de8 CREVEQUER.
+ 113 iii Isolda de8 CREVEQUER.
114 iv Isabel de8 CREVEQUER, died 1283 (dsp). She married Henry of
GANT, died 1281.
115 v William de8 CREVEQUER, died dsp.
+ 116 vi Hamon fitz Hamon III de8 CREVEQUER.
48. Sybil de7 CREVEQUER (Robert II de6, Daniel de5, Robert I de4,
Haimo FitzHaimo de3, Haimo "Dapifer"2, Haimo1). She married Robert
ARSIC, died bef 7 Feb 1230, son of Alexander ARSIC.
Children of Sybil de CREVEQUER and Robert ARSIC were as follows:
+ 117 i Alexandra8 ARSIC.
118 ii Joan8 ARSIC. She married (1) Eustache de GREINVILLE, died bef
1241; (2) Stephen SIMEON, son of Henry SIMEON.
Generation 8
111. Eleanor de8 CREVEQUER (Hamon II de7, Robert II de6, Daniel de5,
Robert I de4, Haimo FitzHaimo de3, Haimo "Dapifer"2, Haimo1), died
1301. She married Bertram de CRIOL, born abt 1231; died 1294/95, son
of John de CRIOL and Maud de EASTWELL.
Children of Eleanor de CREVEQUER and Bertram de CRIOL were as
follows:
277 i John de9 CRIOL, died bef 1301 (dsp).
278 ii Bertram II de9 CRIOL, died 1306 (dsp).
279 iii Joan de9 CRIOL, died 18 Mar 1323.
112. Agnes de8 CREVEQUER (Hamon II de7, Robert II de6, Daniel de5,
Robert I de4, Haimo FitzHaimo de3, Haimo "Dapifer"2, Haimo1). She
married John de SANDWICH, son of Henry de SANDWICH and Lucia (---).
Children of Agnes de CREVEQUER and John de SANDWICH were as follows:
280 i John de9 SANDWICH, died 1282.
113. Isolda de8 CREVEQUER (Hamon II de7, Robert II de6, Daniel de5,
Robert I de4, Haimo FitzHaimo de3, Haimo "Dapifer"2, Haimo1), died bef
1263. She married Nicholas de LENHAM, died aft 1273.
Children of Isolda de CREVEQUER and Nicholas de LENHAM were as
follows:
281 i John de9 LENHAM, died 1316.
116. Hamon fitz Hamon III de8 CREVEQUER (Hamon II de7, Robert II de6,
Daniel de5, Robert I de4, Haimo FitzHaimo de3, Haimo "Dapifer"2,
Haimo1). He married unknown.
Children of Hamon fitz Hamon III de CREVEQUER were as follows:
282 i Robert III de9 CREVEQUER Lord of Chatham, died bef 1290.
117. Alexandra8 ARSIC (Sybil de7 CREVEQUER, Robert II de6, Daniel de5,
Robert I de4, Haimo FitzHaimo de3, Haimo "Dapifer"2, Haimo1), died bef
21 Aug 1267. She married Thomas de la HAYE, died 1246.
Children of Alexandra ARSIC and Thomas de la HAYE were as follows:
283 i Alexandra de la9 HAYE.
Doug
Eldon Olson
Ancestral File says that William Echingham, born abt. 1333 in Etchingham,
Sussex, died 18 Jan 1388/9, married Elizabeth Criol. William was the father
of Joane, who married Arnold Savage (and their daughter married William
Clifford, abt. 1386-1451).
Do you know where Elizabeth Criol fits in the Criol family tree?
Doug Smith
show her three daughters by her third husband but this is not proven.
The older ones could have been from her 2nd husband. The dual
Crevequer line may be the result of competing hypotheses.
Generation 2
Generation 3
Generation 4
7. Nicholas de4 CRIOL (John de3, Bertram de2, Robert de1), died Est
1240. He married Joan NEVYLL.
Children of Nicholas de CRIOL and Joan NEVYLL were as follows:
12 i Bertram5 CRIOL, died dsp.
13 ii Simon5 CRIOL, died dsp.
8. Cecilia de4 CRIOL (John de3, Bertram de2, Robert de1). She married
Simon d' AVRANCHES, died 1203, son of William d' AVRANCHES Lord of
Folkestone.
Children of Cecilia de CRIOL and Simon d' AVRANCHES were as follows:
+ 14 i William d'5 AVRANCHES.
Generation 5
9. John de5 CRIOL (Bertram de4, John de3, Bertram de2, Robert de1),
born Est 1200; died 1262/64. He married Maud de EASTWELL, died 1268,
daughter of William de WELLE and Margery (---).
Children of John de CRIOL and Maud de EASTWELL were as follows:
+ 15 i Bertram de6 CRIOL.
11. Nicholas5 CRIOL Sheriff of Kent, Warden of Cinque Ports, Constable
of Rochester (Bertram de4, John de3, Bertram de2, Robert de1), born
abt 1220; died 1273 of Cherry Hinton, Cambridgeshire. He married (1)
Joan d' AUBERVILLE, born abt 1226; died 6 Nov 1280, daughter of Sir
William d' AUBERVILLE and Isabel (---); (2) aft 1266 Margery de
CLIFFORD, born abt 1240; died aft Mar 1318/19, daughter of Sir John de
CLIFFORD of Frampton-on-Severn, Co. Gloucester and Margery HEREWARD.
Children of Nicholas CRIOL Sheriff of Kent, Warden of Cinque Ports,
Constable of Rochester and Joan d' AUBERVILLE were as follows:
+ 16 i Sir Nicholas de6 CRIOL.
Children of Nicholas CRIOL Sheriff of Kent, Warden of Cinque Ports,
Constable of Rochester and Margery de CLIFFORD were as follows:
+ 17 i Elizabeth6 CRIOL.
+ 18 ii Margaret6 CRIOL.
19 iii Bertram de6 CRIOL, died bef 1319.
20 iv Catherine de6 CRIOL, died bef 1319. She married Geoffrey de
BRADDENE.
14. William d'5 AVRANCHES (Cecilia de4 CRIOL, John de3, Bertram de2,
Robert de1), died 1230. He married Maud BOCLAND, daughter of William
de BOCLAND and Maud de SAY.
Children of William d' AVRANCHES and Maud BOCLAND were as follows:
+ 21 i Maud d'6 AVRANCHES.
22 ii William d'6 AVRANCHES, died 1236 (dsp).
Generation 6
15. Bertram de6 CRIOL (John de5, Bertram de4, John de3, Bertram de2,
Robert de1), born abt 1231; died 1294/95. He married Eleanor de
CREVEQUER (see 31), died 1301, daughter of Hamon II de CREVEQUER Lord
of Chatham and Maud d' AVRANCHES.
Children of Bertram de CRIOL and Eleanor de CREVEQUER were as
follows:
23 i John de7 CRIOL, died bef 1301 (dsp). He married Eleanor (---),
died 25 Jan 1348/49.
24 ii Bertram II de7 CRIOL, died 1306 (dsp). He married Petronilla
(---), died dsp.
+ 25 iii Joan de7 CRIOL.
16. Sir Nicholas de6 CRIOL (Nicholas5, Bertram de4, John de3, Bertram
de2, Robert de1), born abt 1260; died 20 Oct 1303. He married Margery
PECCHE, born abt 1262; died 1345, daughter of Gilbert PECCHE of
Westcliff, Kent and Joan de CREYE.
Children of Sir Nicholas de CRIOL and Margery PECCHE were as follows:
+ 26 i Nicholas7 CRIOL Admiral of the English Fleet.
17. Elizabeth6 CRIOL (Nicholas5, Bertram de4, John de3, Bertram de2,
Robert de1), born bef 1273; died 1345. She married in 1313 John
PABENHAM, born bef 1269 in Pabenham, Cambridgeshire; died 1331, son of
John de PABENHAM and nn de MORIN.
Children of Elizabeth CRIOL and John PABENHAM were as follows:
+ 27 i Thomas7 PABENHAM.
28 ii Margaret7 PABENHAM.
29 iii Elizabeth de7 PABENHAM nun at Shaftesbury.
18. Margaret6 CRIOL (Nicholas5, Bertram de4, John de3, Bertram de2,
Robert de1), born bef 1273. She married Sir Robert HEREWARD, born abt
1270; died bef 1319.
Children of Margaret CRIOL and Sir Robert HEREWARD were as follows:
30 i Margery7 HEREWARD, died aft 1342.
21. Maud d'6 AVRANCHES (William d'5, Cecilia de4 CRIOL, John de3,
Bertram de2, Robert de1), died 1271. She married Hamon II de
CREVEQUER Lord of Chatham, died 1263, son of Robert II de CREVEQUER
Lord of Chatham.
Children of Maud d' AVRANCHES and Hamon II de CREVEQUER Lord of
Chatham were as follows:
+ 31 i Eleanor de7 CREVEQUER.
+ 32 ii Agnes de7 CREVEQUER.
+ 33 iii Isolda de7 CREVEQUER.
34 iv Isabel de7 CREVEQUER, died 1283 (dsp). She married Henry of
GANT, died 1281.
35 v William de7 CREVEQUER, died dsp.
+ 36 vi Hamon fitz Hamon III de7 CREVEQUER.
Generation 7
25. Joan de7 CRIOL (Bertram de6, John de5, Bertram de4, John de3,
Bertram de2, Robert de1), died 18 Mar 1323. She married Sir Richard
de ROKESLEY, died 1321, son of Sir John de ROKESLEY.
Children of Joan de CRIOL and Sir Richard de ROKESLEY were as
follows:
+ 37 i Joan de8 ROKESLEY.
+ 38 ii Agnes de8 ROKESLEY.
26. Nicholas7 CRIOL Admiral of the English Fleet (Nicholas de6,
Nicholas5, Bertram de4, John de3, Bertram de2, Robert de1), born 5 Jan
1280; died aft 1324. He married Rosia (---).
Children of Nicholas CRIOL Admiral of the English Fleet and Rosia
(---) were as follows:
39 i John8 CRIOL.
40 ii Elizabeth8 CRIOL.
27. Thomas7 PABENHAM (Elizabeth6 CRIOL, Nicholas5, Bertram de4, John
de3, Bertram de2, Robert de1), born abt 1313 in Pabenham,
Cambridgeshire; died 26 Aug 1344. He married abt 1333 Alice d'
UFFORD, born abt 1310, daughter of Sir Robert de UFFORD , Baron Ufford
and Cecily de VALOINES.
Children of Thomas PABENHAM and Alice d' UFFORD were as follows:
+ 41 i Sir Lawrence de8 PABENHAM.
31. Eleanor de7 CREVEQUER (Maud d'6 AVRANCHES, William d'5, Cecilia
de4 CRIOL, John de3, Bertram de2, Robert de1), died 1301. She married
Bertram de CRIOL (see 15), born abt 1231; died 1294/95, son of John de
CRIOL and Maud de EASTWELL.
Children of Eleanor de CREVEQUER and Bertram de CRIOL were as
follows:
42 i John de8 CRIOL, died bef 1301 (dsp). He married Eleanor (---),
died 25 Jan 1348/49.
43 ii Bertram II de8 CRIOL, died 1306 (dsp). He married Petronilla
(---), died dsp.
+ 44 iii Joan de8 CRIOL.
32. Agnes de7 CREVEQUER (Maud d'6 AVRANCHES, William d'5, Cecilia de4
CRIOL, John de3, Bertram de2, Robert de1). She married John de
SANDWICH, son of Henry de SANDWICH and Lucia (---).
Children of Agnes de CREVEQUER and John de SANDWICH were as follows:
+ 45 i John de8 SANDWICH.
33. Isolda de7 CREVEQUER (Maud d'6 AVRANCHES, William d'5, Cecilia de4
CRIOL, John de3, Bertram de2, Robert de1), died bef 1263. She married
Nicholas de LENHAM, died aft 1273.
Children of Isolda de CREVEQUER and Nicholas de LENHAM were as
follows:
46 i John de8 LENHAM, died 1316.
36. Hamon fitz Hamon III de7 CREVEQUER (Maud d'6 AVRANCHES, William
d'5, Cecilia de4 CRIOL, John de3, Bertram de2, Robert de1). He
married unknown.
Children of Hamon fitz Hamon III de CREVEQUER were as follows:
47 i Robert III de8 CREVEQUER Lord of Chatham, died bef 1290.
Generation 8
37. Joan de8 ROKESLEY (Joan de7 CRIOL, Bertram de6, John de5, Bertram
de4, John de3, Bertram de2, Robert de1). She married (1) in 1316/17
Walter de PATESHULL, died 1330, son of Simon de PATESHULL Lord of
Pateshull and Bletsoe and Isabella de STONEGRAVE; (2) aft 1330 William
BAUD, died 1343.
Children of Joan de ROKESLEY and Walter de PATESHULL were as follows:
+ 48 i Elizabeth de9 PATESHULL.
49 ii Joan de9 PATESHULL, born abt 1325. She married John de la LEE.
50 iii Thomas de9 PATESHULL, born abt 17 Jun 1330; died 1349 (dsp).
Children of Joan de ROKESLEY and William BAUD were as follows:
+ 51 i William9 BAUD.
38. Agnes de8 ROKESLEY (Joan de7 CRIOL, Bertram de6, John de5, Bertram
de4, John de3, Bertram de2, Robert de1), born 1299 in Westwoord,
Preston, Kent; died bef 30 Dec 1346; buried in Poynings. She married
in 1323 Sir Thomas de POYNINGS 3rd Lord St. John of Basing, born abt
1298; died 18 Oct 1339 in Honnecourt, son of Sir Michael de POYNINGS
Lord Poynings and Margery BARDOLF.
Children of Agnes de ROKESLEY and Sir Thomas de POYNINGS 3rd Lord St.
John of Basing were as follows:
+ 52 i Michael de9 POYNINGS 1st Baron Poynings.
53 ii Thomas de9 POYNINGS, born abt 1325.
54 iii John de9 POYNINGS, born abt 1327.
+ 55 iv Luke de9 POYNINGS 4th Lord St. John of Basing.
56 v Richard de9 POYNINGS, born abt 1331.
41. Sir Lawrence de8 PABENHAM (Thomas7, Elizabeth6 CRIOL, Nicholas5,
Bertram de4, John de3, Bertram de2, Robert de1), born abt 1335 in
Pabenham, Cambridgeshire; died 18 Jun 1399. He married abt 1360
Elizabeth d' ENGAINE, born 1342 in Cambridgeshire; died abt 1387,
daughter of John III d' ENGAINE and Joan PEVEREL.
Children of Sir Lawrence de PABENHAM and Elizabeth d' ENGAINE were as
follows:
+ 57 i Katharine9 PABENHAM.
+ 58 ii Alianor9 PABENHAM.
44. Joan de8 CRIOL (Eleanor de7 CREVEQUER, Maud d'6 AVRANCHES, William
d'5, Cecilia de4 CRIOL, John de3, Bertram de2, Robert de1), died 18
Mar 1323. She married Sir Richard de ROKESLEY, died 1321, son of Sir
John de ROKESLEY.
Children of Joan de CRIOL and Sir Richard de ROKESLEY were as
follows:
+ 59 i Joan de9 ROKESLEY.
+ 60 ii Agnes de9 ROKESLEY.
45. John de8 SANDWICH (Agnes de7 CREVEQUER, Maud d'6 AVRANCHES,
William d'5, Cecilia de4 CRIOL, John de3, Bertram de2, Robert de1),
died 1282. He married Alice (---).
Children of John de SANDWICH and Alice (---) were as follows:
+ 61 i Juliane de9 SANDWICH.
Generation 9
48. Elizabeth de9 PATESHULL (Joan de8 ROKESLEY, Joan de7 CRIOL,
Bertram de6, John de5, Bertram de4, John de3, Bertram de2, Robert
de1), born abt 1319. She married Sir Robert GEDDING, born abt 1317;
buried in Bokeham, Surrey, son of Thomas GEDDING.
Children of Elizabeth de PATESHULL and Sir Robert GEDDING were as
follows:
+ 62 i John10 GEDDING.
51. William9 BAUD (Joan de8 ROKESLEY, Joan de7 CRIOL, Bertram de6,
John de5, Bertram de4, John de3, Bertram de2, Robert de1), died 1375.
He married nn (---).
Children of William BAUD and nn (---) were as follows:
63 i Margaret10 BAUD, died 1375.
52. Michael de9 POYNINGS 1st Baron Poynings (Agnes de8 ROKESLEY, Joan
de7 CRIOL, Bertram de6, John de5, Bertram de4, John de3, Bertram de2,
Robert de1), born abt 1323; died 15 Mar 1368/69. He married abt 1340
Joane (---), born abt 1321; died 24 May 1369; buried in Poynings,
Sussex, England.
Children of Michael de POYNINGS 1st Baron Poynings and Joane (---)
were as follows:
64 i Thomas de10 POYNINGS 2nd Baron Poynings, christened 27 Apr 1349
in Slaugham, Sussex, died Bef 25 Jun 1375 (dsp). He married bef 13
Jun 1372 Blanche de MOWBRAY, born abt 1341 Of Epworth, Isle Of
Axholme, Lincolnshire, England; died 30 Jul 1409, daughter of John II
de MOWBRAY 3rd Lord Mowbray and Joan of LANCASTER.
+ 65 ii Agnes de10 POYNINGS.
+ 66 iii Elizabeth de10 POYNINGS.
67 iv Margaret de10 POYNINGS.
+ 68 v Richard de10 POYNINGS 3rd Baron Poynings.
55. Luke de9 POYNINGS 4th Lord St. John of Basing (Agnes de8 ROKESLEY,
Joan de7 CRIOL, Bertram de6, John de5, Bertram de4, John de3, Bertram
de2, Robert de1), born abt 1329; died abt 1385. He married Isabel de
ST JOHN, daughter of Hugh de ST JOHN 2nd Lord St John of Basing and
Mirabel (---).
Children of Luke de POYNINGS 4th Lord St. John of Basing and Isabel
de ST JOHN were as follows:
+ 69 i Joan de10 POYNINGS.
+ 70 ii Sir Thomas10 POYNINGS 5th Lord St John of Basing.
57. Katharine9 PABENHAM (Lawrence de8, Thomas7, Elizabeth6 CRIOL,
Nicholas5, Bertram de4, John de3, Bertram de2, Robert de1), born 1372;
died 26 Jun 1436. She married (1) William CHENEY, born abt 1370; (2)
Thomas AYLESBURY of Blatherwycke, Co. Northampton, born abt 1369; died
18 Sep 1418, son of Sir John AYLESBURY of Milton Keynes, Co.
Buckingham and Isabel le STRANGE.
Children of Katharine PABENHAM and William CHENEY were as follows:
+ 71 i Laurence10 CHENEY of Fen Ditton, Co. Cambridge.
72 ii Anna10 CHENEY, born abt 1397.
73 iii John10 CHENEY, born abt 1399.
74 iv Joan10 CHENEY, born abt 1401.
Children of Katharine PABENHAM and Thomas AYLESBURY of Blatherwycke,
Co. Northampton were as follows:
+ 75 i Eleanor10 AYLESBURY.
76 ii Thomas10 AYLESBURY, died dsp.
+ 77 iii Isabel10 AYLESBURY.
58. Alianor9 PABENHAM (Lawrence de8, Thomas7, Elizabeth6 CRIOL,
Nicholas5, Bertram de4, John de3, Bertram de2, Robert de1). She
married John TYRINGHAM, son of Sir John TYRINGHAM.
Children of Alianor PABENHAM and John TYRINGHAM were as follows:
+ 78 i John10 TYRINGHAM.
59. Joan de9 ROKESLEY (Joan de8 CRIOL, Eleanor de7 CREVEQUER, Maud d'6
AVRANCHES, William d'5, Cecilia de4 CRIOL, John de3, Bertram de2,
Robert de1). She married (1) in 1316/17 Walter de PATESHULL, died
1330, son of Simon de PATESHULL Lord of Pateshull and Bletsoe and
Isabella de STONEGRAVE; (2) aft 1330 William BAUD, died 1343.
Children of Joan de ROKESLEY and Walter de PATESHULL were as follows:
+ 79 i Elizabeth de10 PATESHULL.
80 ii Joan de10 PATESHULL, born abt 1325. She married John de la
LEE.
81 iii Thomas de10 PATESHULL, born abt 17 Jun 1330; died 1349 (dsp).
Children of Joan de ROKESLEY and William BAUD were as follows:
+ 82 i William10 BAUD.
60. Agnes de9 ROKESLEY (Joan de8 CRIOL, Eleanor de7 CREVEQUER, Maud
d'6 AVRANCHES, William d'5, Cecilia de4 CRIOL, John de3, Bertram de2,
Robert de1), born 1299 in Westwoord, Preston, Kent; died bef 30 Dec
1346; buried in Poynings. She married in 1323 Sir Thomas de POYNINGS
3rd Lord St. John of Basing, born abt 1298; died 18 Oct 1339 in
Honnecourt, son of Sir Michael de POYNINGS Lord Poynings and Margery
BARDOLF.
Children of Agnes de ROKESLEY and Sir Thomas de POYNINGS 3rd Lord St.
John of Basing were as follows:
+ 83 i Michael de10 POYNINGS 1st Baron Poynings.
84 ii Thomas de10 POYNINGS, born abt 1325.
85 iii John de10 POYNINGS, born abt 1327.
+ 86 iv Luke de10 POYNINGS 4th Lord St. John of Basing.
87 v Richard de10 POYNINGS, born abt 1331.
61. Juliane de9 SANDWICH (John de8, Agnes de7 CREVEQUER, Maud d'6
AVRANCHES, William d'5, Cecilia de4 CRIOL, John de3, Bertram de2,
Robert de1). She married (1) bef 1297 Richard WEYLAND, died bef Nov
1306; (2) John de SEGRAVE, born abt 1290 Of England; died Jun 1343,
son of John de SEGRAVE and Christiane de PLESSIS.
Children of Juliane de SANDWICH and John de SEGRAVE were as follows:
+ 88 i John de10 SEGRAVE.
Generation 10
62. John10 GEDDING (Elizabeth de9 PATESHULL, Joan de8 ROKESLEY, Joan
de7 CRIOL, Bertram de6, John de5, Bertram de4, John de3, Bertram de2,
Robert de1), died aft 1397. He married unknown.
Children of John GEDDING were as follows:
89 i John11 GEDDING.
65. Agnes de10 POYNINGS (Michael de9, Agnes de8 ROKESLEY, Joan de7
CRIOL, Bertram de6, John de5, Bertram de4, John de3, Bertram de2,
Robert de1), died 21 Jun 1403, buried in Trinity Priory, Aldgate,
London. She married (1) aft 18 Feb 1365/66 William BARDOLF 4th Lord
Bardolf, born 29 Oct 1349 in Wormegay, Norfolk, England; died 6 Feb
1385/86 in Friar Carmelites, Lynn, Norfolk, England; buried in Friar
Carmelites, Lynn, Norfolk, England, son of Sir John BARDOLF 3rd Lord
Bardolf and Elizabeth DAMORY; (2) aft 18 Apr 1386 Thomas MORTIMER.
Children of Agnes de POYNINGS and William BARDOLF 4th Lord Bardolf
were as follows:
90 i Thomas de11 BARDOLF 5th Baron Bardolf, born 30 Dec 1369 in
Birling, Sussex; died 28 Feb 1406/07 in Battle of Branham Moore.
91 ii Cicely11 BARDOLF, born abt 1380 in Tattershall Castle, Co.
Lincoln; died 8 Oct 1432; buried in Ingham Priory.
92 iii Elizabeth11 BARDOLF.
66. Elizabeth de10 POYNINGS (Michael de9, Agnes de8 ROKESLEY, Joan de7
CRIOL, Bertram de6, John de5, Bertram de4, John de3, Bertram de2,
Robert de1). She married John de GREY, born abt 1343; died bef 1373,
son of Sir John III de GREY 2nd Lord Grey of Rotherfield and Maud de
BURGHERSH.
Children of Elizabeth de POYNINGS and John de GREY were as follows:
93 i Robert de11 GREY 5th Baron Grey of Rotherfield, born abt 1364 in
Rotherfield; died 1387.
68. Richard de10 POYNINGS 3rd Baron Poynings (Michael de9, Agnes de8
ROKESLEY, Joan de7 CRIOL, Bertram de6, John de5, Bertram de4, John
de3, Bertram de2, Robert de1), born abt 1355; died 2 Jun 1387 in
Villalpando, Zamoros, Spain. He married Isabel FITZPAYN, born abt
1364; died 19 Apr 1394, daughter of Robert de GREY Baron FitzPayn and
Elizabeth de BRYAN.
Children of Richard de POYNINGS 3rd Baron Poynings and Isabel
FITZPAYN were as follows:
94 i Robert Lord11 POYNINGS 4th Lord Poynings, born 11 Dec 1382; died
1446 in Siege of Orleans.
95 ii Joan11 POYNINGS, born abt 1387.
69. Joan de10 POYNINGS (Luke de9, Agnes de8 ROKESLEY, Joan de7 CRIOL,
Bertram de6, John de5, Bertram de4, John de3, Bertram de2, Robert
de1), died 7 Jun 1394. She married bef 5 May 1371 Henry FERRERS 4th
Lord Ferrers of Groby, born 24 Feb 1355/56 in Abbey of Tilty; died 11
Feb 1387/88, son of William de FERRERS 3rd Lord Ferrers of Groby and
Margaret (Maud) de UFFORD.
Children of Joan de POYNINGS and Henry FERRERS 4th Lord Ferrers of
Groby were as follows:
96 i William11 FERRERS 5th Lord Ferrers of Groby, christened 3 May
1372 in Luton, Co. Bedford, died 27 May 1445.
97 ii Isabel de11 FERRERS, died bef 1410.
70. Sir Thomas10 POYNINGS 5th Lord St John of Basing (Luke de9, Agnes
de8 ROKESLEY, Joan de7 CRIOL, Bertram de6, John de5, Bertram de4, John
de3, Bertram de2, Robert de1), died 16 Mar 1428/29. He married (1)
Joan (---), daughter of Roger Lord STRANGE; (2) aft Apr 1398 Phillipe
de MORTIMER, born 29 Nov 1375 in Ludlow, Shropshire; died 3 Oct 1401
in Halnaker, Sussex; buried in Boxgrove Priory, Lewes, daughter of
Edmund II de MORTIMER 3rd Earl of March, Earl of Ulster and Phillipa
PLANTAGENET.
Children of Sir Thomas POYNINGS 5th Lord St John of Basing and Joan
(---) were as follows:
98 i Sir Hugh11 POYNINGS, born bef 1372/73; died between 27 Nov 1427
and 10 Feb 1427/8.
71. Laurence10 CHENEY of Fen Ditton, Co. Cambridge (Katharine9
PABENHAM, Lawrence de8, Thomas7, Elizabeth6 CRIOL, Nicholas5, Bertram
de4, John de3, Bertram de2, Robert de1), born abt 1396. He married
Elizabeth COKAYNE, daughter of Sir John III COKAYNE of Bury Hatley and
Edith (Ida) de GREY.
Children of Laurence CHENEY of Fen Ditton, Co. Cambridge and
Elizabeth COKAYNE were as follows:
99 i Sir John11 CHENEY, born abt 1432; died 23 Jul 1489.
100 ii Elizabeth11 CHENEY, born 1428; died 4 Oct 1473.
101 iii Mary11 CHENEY.
102 iv Catherine11 CHENEY.
75. Eleanor10 AYLESBURY (Katharine9 PABENHAM, Lawrence de8, Thomas7,
Elizabeth6 CRIOL, Nicholas5, Bertram de4, John de3, Bertram de2,
Robert de1). She married Humphrey STAFFORD of Grafton, Co. Worcester,
born 1400; died aft 1467, son of Sir Humphrey de STAFFORD and
Elizabeth BINDETTE.
Children of Eleanor AYLESBURY and Humphrey STAFFORD of Grafton, Co.
Worcester were as follows:
103 i Elizabeth11 STAFFORD.
104 ii Sir Humphrey11 STAFFORD, died 17 Jul 1486 in Tyburn
(executed).
77. Isabel10 AYLESBURY (Katharine9 PABENHAM, Lawrence de8, Thomas7,
Elizabeth6 CRIOL, Nicholas5, Bertram de4, John de3, Bertram de2,
Robert de1), born abt 1410. She married abt 1429 Sir Thomas CHAWORTH,
born abt 1385 of Wiverton, Co. Nottingham; died 26 Feb 1458/59, son of
Sir William CHAWORTH and Alice CALTOFT.
Children of Isabel AYLESBURY and Sir Thomas CHAWORTH were as follows:
105 i Sir William11 CHAWORTH.
106 ii Catherine11 CHAWORTH, born abt 1432.
78. John10 TYRINGHAM (Alianor9 PABENHAM, Lawrence de8, Thomas7,
Elizabeth6 CRIOL, Nicholas5, Bertram de4, John de3, Bertram de2,
Robert de1). He married Alicia (---).
Children of John TYRINGHAM and Alicia (---) were as follows:
107 i John11 TYRINGHAM.
79. Elizabeth de10 PATESHULL (Joan de9 ROKESLEY, Joan de8 CRIOL,
Eleanor de7 CREVEQUER, Maud d'6 AVRANCHES, William d'5, Cecilia de4
CRIOL, John de3, Bertram de2, Robert de1), born abt 1319. She married
Sir Robert GEDDING, born abt 1317; buried in Bokeham, Surrey, son of
Thomas GEDDING.
Children of Elizabeth de PATESHULL and Sir Robert GEDDING were as
follows:
108 i John11 GEDDING, died aft 1397.
82. William10 BAUD (Joan de9 ROKESLEY, Joan de8 CRIOL, Eleanor de7
CREVEQUER, Maud d'6 AVRANCHES, William d'5, Cecilia de4 CRIOL, John
de3, Bertram de2, Robert de1), died 1375. He married nn (---).
Children of William BAUD and nn (---) were as follows:
109 i Margaret11 BAUD, died 1375.
83. Michael de10 POYNINGS 1st Baron Poynings (Agnes de9 ROKESLEY, Joan
de8 CRIOL, Eleanor de7 CREVEQUER, Maud d'6 AVRANCHES, William d'5,
Cecilia de4 CRIOL, John de3, Bertram de2, Robert de1), born abt 1323;
died 15 Mar 1368/69. He married abt 1340 Joane (---), born abt 1321;
died 24 May 1369; buried in Poynings, Sussex, England.
Children of Michael de POYNINGS 1st Baron Poynings and Joane (---)
were as follows:
110 i Thomas de11 POYNINGS 2nd Baron Poynings, christened 27 Apr 1349
in Slaugham, Sussex, died Bef 25 Jun 1375 (dsp).
111 ii Agnes de11 POYNINGS, died 21 Jun 1403, buried in Trinity
Priory, Aldgate, London.
112 iii Elizabeth de11 POYNINGS.
113 iv Margaret de11 POYNINGS.
114 v Richard de11 POYNINGS 3rd Baron Poynings, born abt 1355; died 2
Jun 1387 in Villalpando, Zamoros, Spain.
86. Luke de10 POYNINGS 4th Lord St. John of Basing (Agnes de9
ROKESLEY, Joan de8 CRIOL, Eleanor de7 CREVEQUER, Maud d'6 AVRANCHES,
William d'5, Cecilia de4 CRIOL, John de3, Bertram de2, Robert de1),
born abt 1329; died abt 1385. He married Isabel de ST JOHN, daughter
of Hugh de ST JOHN 2nd Lord St John of Basing and Mirabel (---).
Children of Luke de POYNINGS 4th Lord St. John of Basing and Isabel
de ST JOHN were as follows:
115 i Joan de11 POYNINGS, died 7 Jun 1394.
116 ii Sir Thomas11 POYNINGS 5th Lord St John of Basing, died 16 Mar
1428/29.
88. John de10 SEGRAVE (Juliane de9 SANDWICH, John de8, Agnes de7
CREVEQUER, Maud d'6 AVRANCHES, William d'5, Cecilia de4 CRIOL, John
de3, Bertram de2, Robert de1), born abt 1313; died bef 26 May 1349.
He married nn (---).
Children of John de SEGRAVE and nn (---) were as follows:
117 i Mary11 SEGRAVE, born abt 1349; died bef 1 Sep 1349.
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Chris Phillips
it was too long. I'll post it in three parts this time. Sorry if it ends up
appearing twice!
PART 1 OF 3
Finally it's possible to give a fairly definite answer to the question about
Margery de Criol, though some questions remain.
To recap briefly: the Complete Peerage (vol.3, p.542) says that Nicholas de
Criol married before 10 February 1271/2, Margery, daughter of Gilbert Peche,
and that he died 12 October 1303, with Margery surviving. However,
MichaelAnne Guido pointed out that an apparently different Margery, widow of
Nicholas de Criol appeared in 1313, when Richard Clifford, son and heir of
John Clifford released to her and to Elizabeth wife of Sir John de Pabenham,
and Margery daughter and heiress of Sir Robert de Hereward, all right in
specified lands of their inheritance [Baker, History of Northamptonshire,
vol.1, p.714].
The Victoria County Histories of Buckinghamshire and Northamptonshire
interpreted this as a release of his right to three coheiresses, and
suggested that these three were coheirs of a Margery Clifford who appeared
holding the manor of Lillingstone [Lovell] in 1254, and who married (i)
Peter de St Martin and (ii) by 1260 Peter Dansey (who was living 1266).
However.other secondary sources show Margery de Criol as the mother of
Elizabeth
Pabenham and Margaret Hereward. But if Margery de Criol was the wife of
Nicholas who d.1303, chronology would place her in the same generation as
Elizabeth and Margaret, supporting the VCH interpretation.
This raised a number of questions - did Nicholas de Criol (d.1303) marry
twice; if so, who was his second wife, and which of his wives was the mother
of his son and heir?
(1) Mardi Carter pointed out a pedigree in Bedfordshire Historical Record
Society vol.14 (1931), which placed the "Clifford" Margery as the wife of
the father of Nicholas (d.1303), and made her the mother of Elizabeth
Pabenham and Margaret Hereward. Nicholas's father, also called Nicholas,
died 1273, having married Nicholas junior's mother, Joan d'Auberville (whom
the Complete Peerage calls his first wife). Margery was described in the
pedigree as "testatrix", suggesting this was based on evidence from a will.
I followed this up and found that this was an extract of Margery's will,
with a translation and commentary, in the article "Some Bedfordshire Wills
at Lambeth and Lincoln", by Mrs H. Jenkinson and G.H. Fowler. (The copy I
saw unfortunately lacked the pedigree that Mardi saw, which must have been
"lost, stolen or strayed".)
This will, dated 1319, is really the vital piece of evidence, as it
mentions:
Bertram my son (deceased);
my brother Richard de Clifford*;
my daughters Catherine de Braddene* and Margaret Hereward*;
[Sir] Robert Hereward*;
Sir John de Pabenham and my daughter Elizabeth his wife;
Margaret their daughter;
Elizabeth de Pabenham, a nun at Shaftesbury.
*Presumably dead, as provision is made for prayers for their souls.
So it establishes that, despite the VCH interpretation, Elizabeth Pabenham
and Margaret Hereward were Margery de Criol's daughters, not her coheirs.
[This will is mentioned in the Complete Peerage article on Criol, but as
that of the widow of the Nicholas who d.1303. As shown below, that is
incorrect.]
The mention of the daughter Catherine Braddene explains Margery's role in a
transaction concerning the manor and advowson of Easton Neston,
Northamptonshire, with Geoffrey de Braddene and Katherine his wife [British
Library, Additional Charter 21,856]. According to Baker's History of
Northamptonshire this manor had been in the Braddene family. Judging by his
pedigree of the Braddenes elsewhere, Geoffrey probably had no issue by
Katherine.
Chris Phillips
(2) In another Braddene transaction mentioned by Baker, dated 1300,
"Margaret" de Criol is described as the widow of Sir Nicholas de Criol.
Clearly if this is correct, she cannot be the widow of the Nicholas who died
in 1303.
With the help of the references given by Jenkinson and Fowler, several other
references tell the same story.
(a) Lands that belonged to Nicholas de Cryul in the hands of Gregory de
Rokesle, mayor of London, Isabella de Eynesford and Margery de Cryul by the
king's commission, 30 April 1277, 25 May 1278 [Calendar of Close Rolls
1272-79, pp.379, 456].
(b) Bertram de Kyriel obtained the manor of [Cherry] Hinton, Cambridgeshire,
by exchange with Peter of Savoy, and gave it to Nicholas his son and Joan
the daughter of William de Abrevile and their heirs; Nicholas begot of Joan
a son Nicholas, who is under age and in the custody of the king; Nicholas
enfeoffed Gilbert Peche after which Gilbert was enfeoffed of the said
Nicholas and Margery his wife, who now lives; Gilbert gave to the said
Nicholas and Margery for their lives by the fine levied between them, which
was done while the king that now is was in the holy land [8 Edward I
(1279/80); Hundred Rolls vol.2, p.432].
(c) Margery de Cryoyl who was the wife of Nicholas de Cryoyl held the manor
of Hinton (Cambridgeshire) 1284-6 [feudal Aids vol.1, p.135].
So it's clear that the Margery, widow of Nicholas de Criol, we are looking
at must have been the widow of the elder Nicholas de Criol (d.1273), not the
younger one (d.1303). This is the interpretation given by Jenkinson and
Fowler in Beds Hist Rec Soc.
As recited in the inquisition post mortem after the death of Elizabeth's son
Thomas de Pabenham [Cal. Inq. p.m. vol.8, no 598] and in an inquisition
after Elizabeth's death [Cal. Inq. Misc. vol.2], there had been several
fines in the first decade of the 14th century between Margery de Criol and
the Pabenhams, settling lands, with some specifying that the remainder was
to pass to Margery Hereward. Presumably it was because some of Margery de
Criol's inheritance had been settled on Elizabeth Pabenham and Margery
Hereward that all three were named in the release of 1313 by Richard de
Clifford.
Chris Phillips
A few more points:
(1) Presumably Margery's son Bertram, who predeceased her, was her son by
Nicholas de Criol, named after Nicholas's father. However, it's not clear
whether Nicholas or Margery's previous husband, Peter Dansey, was the father
of her daughters Elizabeth Pabenham, Margaret Hereward and Katherine
Braddene. If Elizabeth was the mother of John Pabenham junior (born around
1280), probably she would be the daughter of Peter Dansey, who was still
alive in 1266. However, it's not clear that Elizabeth _was_ the mother of
John Pabenham junior.
It may well be that the reference in the Hundred Rolls to Cherry Hinton
being settled on Nicholas and Margery by fine, while Edward I was in the
Holy Land, marks the time of their marriage. If so, that would place it soon
after Edward's departure for home [September 1272], and soon before
Nicholas's death [pre 2 July 1273]. If so, only Bertram would
have been Nicholas's son, and Margery's other children would have been by
Peter Dansey. (Presumably she had no issue by Peter de St Martin, as in 1260
Lillingstone was settled on Peter Dansey, Margery and their issue, with
remainder to Margery's right heirs.)
(2) As to Margery's parentage, her will names Richard Clifford as her
brother, and Richard is said to be the son and heir of John Clifford. The
VCH Northants account also names, as a brother of Richard, William Clifford,
rector of Irchester and later bishop of Emly.
Assuming Margery is the same woman who was holding Lillingstone in 1254 (as
"Domina Margeri de Clifford" - was she already the widow of her first
husband by then?), and as her daughters inherited that manor, which had
previously been in Clifford hands, presumably she was a full sister of
Richard Clifford, and thus the daughter of John Cliffard (although Jenkinson
and Fowler comment that her parentage has not been found, "but there are
indications that she may have been of the family de Grey" - perhaps these
lie in the parts of the will they omit, as not relating to Bedfordshire).
This would seem to fit with the account of the Cliffords given by the
Victoria County History of Gloucestershire (vol.10, p.144, Gloucestershire),
which has a John de Clifford being succeeded by his son Richard by 1294. (In
this case, the version of Margery de Criol's identity given by Hugh Clifford
in "The House of Clifford" - as daughter of John Clifford and sister of
Richard Clifford - would after all be nearly correct, except that he
identified Margery with her granddaughter Margery Hereward, and therefore
ended up marrying John Clifford to "Margaret Hereward".)
(3) Nicholas the husband of Joan d'Auberville is identified in the extract
from the Hundred Rolls, given above, as the son of a Bertram de Criol. We've
had several versions of the Criol pedigree posted recently, but I think none
of them places Nicholas as son of a Bertram. It will be interesting to see
whether that can be easily achieved or not.
Sorting this out - to the extent it has been sorted out - has been an
extremely
collaborative effort - many thanks for information provided by Rosie Bevan,
Mardi Carter, MichaelAnne Guido, Tony Ingham and Doug Smith.
Chris Phillips
ADRIANC...@cs.com
Eldn...@concentric.net writes:
> Doug,
>
> Ancestral File says that William Echingham, born abt. 1333 in Etchingham,
> Sussex, died 18 Jan 1388/9, married Elizabeth Criol. William was the
> father
> of Joane, who married Arnold Savage (and their daughter married William
> Clifford, abt. 1386-1451).
>
> Do you know where Elizabeth Criol fits in the Criol family tree?
>
>
No doubt she was connected to the following:
Testamenta Vetusta.
Page 103
SIR NICHOLAS CRIELL, KNT.
Nicholas Criell {fn 1}, Knt. on the Friday {fn 2} before St. Michal's Day,
1379. To Elizabeth, my wife; to Elizabeth Echingham, xx marks. And I appoint
Sir William Echingham, Knt. Robert Echingham, and Thomas Brokhull, my
executors.
{fn 1} Sic in Harl. MSS. 6148; but most likely it should be Criol, and he was
probably the descendant of Nicholas Criol, who was summoned to Parliament the
55th Edward I. and left issue Nicholas Criol, his son, who was employed in
the Navy in the 18th Edward II. to prevent the landing of Queen Isabel and
her, son Prince Rdward. Dugdale, vol. i. p. 770.
{fn 2} September 23d.
ADRIANC...@cs.com
writes:
Correction, see below:
> No doubt she was connected to the following:
>
> Testamenta Vetusta.
> Page 103
>
> SIR NICHOLAS CRIELL, KNT.
> Nicholas Criell {fn 1}, Knt. on the Friday {fn 2} before St. Michal's Day,
> 1379. To Elizabeth, my wife; to Elizabeth Echingham, xx marks. And I
> appoint
> Sir William Echingham, Knt. Robert Echingham, and Thomas Brokhull, my
> executors.
>
> {fn 1} Sic in Harl. MSS. 6148; but most likely it should be Criol, and he
> was
> probably the descendant of Nicholas Criol, who was summoned to Parliament
> the
> 55th Edward I. and left issue Nicholas Criol, his son, who was employed in
~~~
25 Ed I, ie 1296/7
Adrian
