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C.P. Addition: Elizabeth Neville, wife of Thomas Willoughby, Knt., (died 1417) and Roger Bate, Gent.
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Douglas Richardson
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Complete Peerage 7 (1929): 476-477 (sub Latimer) has a good biography of Sir John Neville, Knt., 6th Lord Latimer (died 1430). On page 477, footnote b, it is stated that in 1418 he gave his estates to Ralph Neville and others, and on 20 Dec. 1427 the surviving trustees gave them to George Neville, son of his half-brother, Ralph Neville, late Earl of Westmorland, and his issue. By these two actions, Lord Latimer effectively disinherited his full sister, Elizabeth, wife of Sir Thomas Willoughby, Knt., and her son, Sir John Willoughby, Knt.
Regarding Lord Latimer's sister and her husband, Sir Thomas Willoughby, the following information is given on page 477, footnote i:
"This Sir Thomas [Willoughby] was 3rd son of Robert (Willoughby_), 1st Lord Willoughby, of Eresby, by his 2nd wife, Margaret, daughter of William, Lord Zouch (Visit. of Dorset, 1565, in Genealogist (N.S.), vol. iii, p. 178; Brydges, Collins, vol. vi, p. 691. In another place - Idem, p. 599, Thomas is said to be the son of the 1st wife, Alice Skipwith). He [Thomas] was Sheriff of co. Lincoln, 1403-04, a justice of the peace in the parts of Holland, and acted on various Lincolnshire commissions (Cals. Patent Rolls). He was also warden of the Guild of St. George, Boston. Admon. on the goods of Sir Thomas Wylughby, Kt., was granted 20 Aug. 1417, in the parish church of Boston, to Ralph Latoner, chaplain, and others (Lincoln Episc. Register, vol. xv, p. 196). His father gave him a cup (?) with the arms of Nevill and Latimer (Test. Vet., p. 136)." END OF QUOTE.
On page 478, footnote b further information is given regarding a bequest made by Sir Thomas Willoughby in his will to his surviving wife, Elizabeth Neville:
"Ch. Inq. p. m. 15 Henry VI, no. 3 (file 79). ... Elizabeth, wife of the said Thomas, was to have the bed embroidered with the arms of Latimer and Nevill, with all the 'costeres, lapettes and cusines' (Register of Archbishop Arundel, vol. i, fo. 157 d.)." END OF QUOTE.
No further information is given regarding Elizabeth Neville, except that she must have died sometime before 10 Dec. 1430 (date of her brother, John Neville, Lord Latimer's death), as her son, John Willoughby, was presented as Lord Latimer's heir in the inquisition post mortem following Lord Latimer's death in 1430. Complete Peerage cites the following source for Lord Latimer's inquisition post mortem: Ch. Inq. p.m. 9 Hen. VI, no. 24.
Recent research has turned up new evidence which proves that Elizabeth Neville married (2nd) before 1418 Roger Bate, Gentleman, of Frampton, Lincolnshire. The evidence is taken from lawsuits found in the Court of Common Pleas:
1. In 1418 Ralph Berton, Citizen and skinner of London, sued Roger Bate, Gent., of Frampton, Lincolnshire and his wife, Elizabeth, executrix of the will of Thomas Willoughby, Knt., of Lincolnshire, in the Court of Common Pleas regarding a debt of £8 17 s. [References: Court of Common Pleas, CP40/629, image 984d (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/H5/CP40no629/bCP40no629dorses/IMG_0984.htm)); Court of Common Pleas, CP40/629, image 1424d (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/H5/CP40no629/bCP40no629dorses/IMG_1424.htm)].
2. In 1422 Edmund Berry, Knt., and three others, executors of Edmund Thorpe, Knt., sued Roger Bate, Gent., of Frampton, Lincolnshire, and his wife Elizabeth, late wife and executrix of the will of Thomas Willoughby, Knt., of Lincolnshire in the Court of Common Pleas regarding a debt of £40. [Reference: Court of Common Pleas, CP40/647, image 662d (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT1/H6/CP40no647/bCP40no647dorses/IMG_0662.htm)].
Following his marriage to Elizabeth Neville, Roger Bate, Gent., was appointed a collector of tax in the Holland district of Lincolnshire in 1419. He occurs in association with his step-son, John Willoughby, Knt., in a record dated 1429. He was living in 1430, and died sometime before 17 June 1436. His wife, Elizabeth, was living in 1422, and died as noted above sometime before 10 Dec. 1430.
I've copied below my file account of Elizabeth (Neville) (Willoughby) Bate, including one of her two descents from King Henry II of England. For further information on the ancestry and descendants of Elizabeth Neville, please see my book, Royal Ancestry [5 volume set], published in 2013.
For interest's sake, the following is a list of the 17th Century New World immigrants that descend from Elizabeth (Neville) (Willoughby) Bate:
Elizabeth Bosvile, George, Giles & Robert Brent
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
+ + + + + + + + + + +
1. HENRY II, King of England, by a mistress, IDA DE TONY.
2. WILLIAM LONGESPÉE, Knt., Earl of Salisbury, married ELA OF SALISBURY.
3. WILLIAM LONGESPÉE, Knt., of Amesbury, Wiltshire, married IDOINE DE CAMVILLE.
4. ELA LONGESPÉE, married JAMES DE AUDLEY, Knt., of Heleigh (in Audley), Staffordshire.
5. HUGH DE AUDLEY, Knt., Lord Audley, married ISEULT _____.
6. ALICE DE AUDLEY, married RALPH DE NEVILLE, Knt., 2nd Lord Neville of Raby.
7. JOHN DE NEVILLE, K.G., 3rd Lord Neville of Raby, married (2nd) ELIZABETH LE LATIMER (desc. King Henry II) [see NEVILLE 8].
8. ELIZABETH NEVILLE, was a legatee in the 1386 will of her father. She married before 27 May 1396 (as his 2nd wife) THOMAS WILLOUGHBY, Knt., of Boston, Bicker, and Frampton, Lincolnshire, Sheriff of Lincolnshire, 1403-4, Knight of the Shire for Lincolnshire, Alderman of the Guilds of both St. George and Corpus Christi, Boston, 2nd son of Robert de Willoughby, Knt., 4th Lord Willoughby of Eresby, of Eresby, Lincolnshire, by his 1st wife, Margery, daughter of William la Zouche, Knt., 2nd Lord Zouche of Harringworth. They had one son, John, Knt. He was a legatee in the 1395 will of his father, Robert de Willoughby, 4th Lord Willoughby of Eresby. He was granted protection 5 July 1415, he then being in the retinue of Robert, Lord Willoughby. SIR THOMAS WILLOUGHBY died shortly before 20 August 1417 (date of administration on his estate). His widow, Elizabeth, married (2nd) before 1418 (date of lawsuit) ROGER BATE, Gent., of Frampton, Lincolnshire. In 1418 Ralph Berton, Citizen and skinner of London, sued Roger Bate, Gent., of Frampton, Lincolnshire and his wife, Elizabeth, executrix of the will of Thomas Willoughby, Knt., of Lincolnshire, in the Court of Common Pleas regarding a debt of £8 17 s. He was appointed a collector of tax in the Holland district of Lincolnshire in 1419. In 1421-2 John Allethewarld, of Bicker, Lincolnshire, was outlawed on an action by Thomas Willoughby, Knt., dated 1415-16 for detention of salt. In 1422 Edmund Berry, Knt., and three others, executors of Edmund Thorpe, Knt., sued Roger Bate, Gent., of Frampton, Lincolnshire, and his wife Elizabeth, late wife and executrix of the will of Thomas Willoughby, Knt., of Lincolnshire in the Court of Common Pleas regarding a debt of £40. In 1429 John Copuldyk conveyed the reversion of Hiptofthalle (in Algarkirk), Lincolnshire to John Willoughby, Knt., Roger Bate, of Frampton, Lincolnshire, and two others. In 1430 Roger Bate, of Frampton in Holland, Lincolnshire sued John Godewyn, of Boston, Lincolnshire, butcher, in the Court of Common Pleas regarding a debt of £10. His wife, Elizabeth, died before 10 Dec. 1430. Sometime before 1436 he and John Bate, of Algarkirk, Lincolnshire held lands in Bicker, Lincolnshire as feoffees. ROGER BATE died before 17 June 1436. Sometime before 1456 Katherine Bate sued Richard Welby and two others in Chancery regarding lands in Lincolnshire enfeoffed by Roger Bate, the petitioner's brother.
References:
Blomefield, Essay towards a Top. Hist. of Norfolk 6 (1807): 128-131. Brydges, Collins' Peerage of England 6 (1812): 691-703. Whitaker, Hist. of Richmondshire 2 (1823): facing 78 (Latimer ped.). Nicolas, Testamenta Vetusta 1 (1826): 136-137 (will of Robert [de Willoughby], 4th Lord Willoughby of Eresby). Clutterbuck, Hist. & Antiqs. of Hertford 3 (1827): 512-514 (Willoughby ped.). Rowland, Noble Fam. of Nevill (1830). Wills & Invs. 1 (Surtees Soc. 2) (1835): 38-42 (will of John Neville, lord of Raby). Surtees, Hist. & Antiqs. of Durham 4 (1840): 158-163 (Nevill peds.). Harvey, Hist. & Antiqs. of the Hundred of Willey (1872-8): opp. 4 (Beauchamp ped.). Annual Rpt. of the Deputy Keeper 44 (1883): 570. List of Sheriffs for England & Wales (PRO Lists and Indexes 9) (1898): 79. C.P.R. 1401-1405 (1905): 388. Lincolnshire Notes & Queries 8 (1905): 209. Genealogist n.s. 22 (1906): 88. VCH Buckingham 3 (1925): 203-218. C.P. 7 (1929): chart foll. 452, 475-478 (sub Latimer); 12(2) (1959): 660-661, chart foll. 671 (sub Willoughby). C.F.R. 14 (1934): 301. C.C.R. 1441-1447 (1937): 377-378. St. George, Wiltshire Vis. Peds. 1623 (H.S.P. 105-6) (1954): 216-218 (Willoughbie ped.: "Thom: Willoughbie miles 2 sonne = Elizab: sister et her Joh: Lo Latimer"). Paget, Baronage of England (1957) 404: 10; 576: 1-3 (sub Willoughby); 577: 1 (sub Willoughby). Chancery Miscellanea 5 (List & Index. Soc. 49) (1970): 67. Roskell, House of Commons 1386-1421 4 (1992): ?? (biog. of Richard Welby), 871-873 (biog. of Sir Thomas Willoughby). Baker, Rpts. of Cases by John Caryll 1 (Selden Soc. 115) (1999): 304-333. Cal. IPM 23 (2004): 241-245. Court of Common Pleas, CP40/629, image 984d (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/H5/CP40no629/bCP40no629dorses/IMG_0984.htm). Court of Common Pleas, CP40/629, image 1424d (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/H5/CP40no629/bCP40no629dorses/IMG_1424.htm). Court of Common Pleas, CP40/647, image 662d (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT1/H6/CP40no647/bCP40no647dorses/IMG_0662.htm). Court of Common Pleas, CP40/677, image 1233d (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT1/H6/CP40no677/bCP40no677dorses/IMG_1233.htm). National Archives, C 1/16/418 (available at www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/search.asp). Lincolnshire Archives: Brownlow Estate Recs., BNLW 1/1/5/29.
Complete Peerage 7 (1929): 476-477 (sub Latimer) has a good biography of Sir John Neville, Knt., 6th Lord Latimer (died 1430). On page 477, footnote b, it is stated that in 1418 he gave his estates to Ralph Neville and others, and on 20 Dec. 1427 the surviving trustees gave them to George Neville, son of his half-brother, Ralph Neville, late Earl of Westmorland, and his issue. By these two actions, Lord Latimer effectively disinherited his full sister, Elizabeth, wife of Sir Thomas Willoughby, Knt., and her son, Sir John Willoughby, Knt.
Regarding Lord Latimer's sister and her husband, Sir Thomas Willoughby, the following information is given on page 477, footnote i:
"This Sir Thomas [Willoughby] was 3rd son of Robert (Willoughby_), 1st Lord Willoughby, of Eresby, by his 2nd wife, Margaret, daughter of William, Lord Zouch (Visit. of Dorset, 1565, in Genealogist (N.S.), vol. iii, p. 178; Brydges, Collins, vol. vi, p. 691. In another place - Idem, p. 599, Thomas is said to be the son of the 1st wife, Alice Skipwith). He [Thomas] was Sheriff of co. Lincoln, 1403-04, a justice of the peace in the parts of Holland, and acted on various Lincolnshire commissions (Cals. Patent Rolls). He was also warden of the Guild of St. George, Boston. Admon. on the goods of Sir Thomas Wylughby, Kt., was granted 20 Aug. 1417, in the parish church of Boston, to Ralph Latoner, chaplain, and others (Lincoln Episc. Register, vol. xv, p. 196). His father gave him a cup (?) with the arms of Nevill and Latimer (Test. Vet., p. 136)." END OF QUOTE.
On page 478, footnote b further information is given regarding a bequest made by Sir Thomas Willoughby in his will to his surviving wife, Elizabeth Neville:
"Ch. Inq. p. m. 15 Henry VI, no. 3 (file 79). ... Elizabeth, wife of the said Thomas, was to have the bed embroidered with the arms of Latimer and Nevill, with all the 'costeres, lapettes and cusines' (Register of Archbishop Arundel, vol. i, fo. 157 d.)." END OF QUOTE.
No further information is given regarding Elizabeth Neville, except that she must have died sometime before 10 Dec. 1430 (date of her brother, John Neville, Lord Latimer's death), as her son, John Willoughby, was presented as Lord Latimer's heir in the inquisition post mortem following Lord Latimer's death in 1430. Complete Peerage cites the following source for Lord Latimer's inquisition post mortem: Ch. Inq. p.m. 9 Hen. VI, no. 24.
Recent research has turned up new evidence which proves that Elizabeth Neville married (2nd) before 1418 Roger Bate, Gentleman, of Frampton, Lincolnshire. The evidence is taken from lawsuits found in the Court of Common Pleas:
1. In 1418 Ralph Berton, Citizen and skinner of London, sued Roger Bate, Gent., of Frampton, Lincolnshire and his wife, Elizabeth, executrix of the will of Thomas Willoughby, Knt., of Lincolnshire, in the Court of Common Pleas regarding a debt of £8 17 s. [References: Court of Common Pleas, CP40/629, image 984d (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/H5/CP40no629/bCP40no629dorses/IMG_0984.htm)); Court of Common Pleas, CP40/629, image 1424d (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/H5/CP40no629/bCP40no629dorses/IMG_1424.htm)].
2. In 1422 Edmund Berry, Knt., and three others, executors of Edmund Thorpe, Knt., sued Roger Bate, Gent., of Frampton, Lincolnshire, and his wife Elizabeth, late wife and executrix of the will of Thomas Willoughby, Knt., of Lincolnshire in the Court of Common Pleas regarding a debt of £40. [Reference: Court of Common Pleas, CP40/647, image 662d (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT1/H6/CP40no647/bCP40no647dorses/IMG_0662.htm)].
Following his marriage to Elizabeth Neville, Roger Bate, Gent., was appointed a collector of tax in the Holland district of Lincolnshire in 1419. He occurs in association with his step-son, John Willoughby, Knt., in a record dated 1429. He was living in 1430, and died sometime before 17 June 1436. His wife, Elizabeth, was living in 1422, and died as noted above sometime before 10 Dec. 1430.
I've copied below my file account of Elizabeth (Neville) (Willoughby) Bate, including one of her two descents from King Henry II of England. For further information on the ancestry and descendants of Elizabeth Neville, please see my book, Royal Ancestry [5 volume set], published in 2013.
For interest's sake, the following is a list of the 17th Century New World immigrants that descend from Elizabeth (Neville) (Willoughby) Bate:
Elizabeth Bosvile, George, Giles & Robert Brent
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
+ + + + + + + + + + +
1. HENRY II, King of England, by a mistress, IDA DE TONY.
2. WILLIAM LONGESPÉE, Knt., Earl of Salisbury, married ELA OF SALISBURY.
3. WILLIAM LONGESPÉE, Knt., of Amesbury, Wiltshire, married IDOINE DE CAMVILLE.
4. ELA LONGESPÉE, married JAMES DE AUDLEY, Knt., of Heleigh (in Audley), Staffordshire.
5. HUGH DE AUDLEY, Knt., Lord Audley, married ISEULT _____.
6. ALICE DE AUDLEY, married RALPH DE NEVILLE, Knt., 2nd Lord Neville of Raby.
7. JOHN DE NEVILLE, K.G., 3rd Lord Neville of Raby, married (2nd) ELIZABETH LE LATIMER (desc. King Henry II) [see NEVILLE 8].
8. ELIZABETH NEVILLE, was a legatee in the 1386 will of her father. She married before 27 May 1396 (as his 2nd wife) THOMAS WILLOUGHBY, Knt., of Boston, Bicker, and Frampton, Lincolnshire, Sheriff of Lincolnshire, 1403-4, Knight of the Shire for Lincolnshire, Alderman of the Guilds of both St. George and Corpus Christi, Boston, 2nd son of Robert de Willoughby, Knt., 4th Lord Willoughby of Eresby, of Eresby, Lincolnshire, by his 1st wife, Margery, daughter of William la Zouche, Knt., 2nd Lord Zouche of Harringworth. They had one son, John, Knt. He was a legatee in the 1395 will of his father, Robert de Willoughby, 4th Lord Willoughby of Eresby. He was granted protection 5 July 1415, he then being in the retinue of Robert, Lord Willoughby. SIR THOMAS WILLOUGHBY died shortly before 20 August 1417 (date of administration on his estate). His widow, Elizabeth, married (2nd) before 1418 (date of lawsuit) ROGER BATE, Gent., of Frampton, Lincolnshire. In 1418 Ralph Berton, Citizen and skinner of London, sued Roger Bate, Gent., of Frampton, Lincolnshire and his wife, Elizabeth, executrix of the will of Thomas Willoughby, Knt., of Lincolnshire, in the Court of Common Pleas regarding a debt of £8 17 s. He was appointed a collector of tax in the Holland district of Lincolnshire in 1419. In 1421-2 John Allethewarld, of Bicker, Lincolnshire, was outlawed on an action by Thomas Willoughby, Knt., dated 1415-16 for detention of salt. In 1422 Edmund Berry, Knt., and three others, executors of Edmund Thorpe, Knt., sued Roger Bate, Gent., of Frampton, Lincolnshire, and his wife Elizabeth, late wife and executrix of the will of Thomas Willoughby, Knt., of Lincolnshire in the Court of Common Pleas regarding a debt of £40. In 1429 John Copuldyk conveyed the reversion of Hiptofthalle (in Algarkirk), Lincolnshire to John Willoughby, Knt., Roger Bate, of Frampton, Lincolnshire, and two others. In 1430 Roger Bate, of Frampton in Holland, Lincolnshire sued John Godewyn, of Boston, Lincolnshire, butcher, in the Court of Common Pleas regarding a debt of £10. His wife, Elizabeth, died before 10 Dec. 1430. Sometime before 1436 he and John Bate, of Algarkirk, Lincolnshire held lands in Bicker, Lincolnshire as feoffees. ROGER BATE died before 17 June 1436. Sometime before 1456 Katherine Bate sued Richard Welby and two others in Chancery regarding lands in Lincolnshire enfeoffed by Roger Bate, the petitioner's brother.
References:
Blomefield, Essay towards a Top. Hist. of Norfolk 6 (1807): 128-131. Brydges, Collins' Peerage of England 6 (1812): 691-703. Whitaker, Hist. of Richmondshire 2 (1823): facing 78 (Latimer ped.). Nicolas, Testamenta Vetusta 1 (1826): 136-137 (will of Robert [de Willoughby], 4th Lord Willoughby of Eresby). Clutterbuck, Hist. & Antiqs. of Hertford 3 (1827): 512-514 (Willoughby ped.). Rowland, Noble Fam. of Nevill (1830). Wills & Invs. 1 (Surtees Soc. 2) (1835): 38-42 (will of John Neville, lord of Raby). Surtees, Hist. & Antiqs. of Durham 4 (1840): 158-163 (Nevill peds.). Harvey, Hist. & Antiqs. of the Hundred of Willey (1872-8): opp. 4 (Beauchamp ped.). Annual Rpt. of the Deputy Keeper 44 (1883): 570. List of Sheriffs for England & Wales (PRO Lists and Indexes 9) (1898): 79. C.P.R. 1401-1405 (1905): 388. Lincolnshire Notes & Queries 8 (1905): 209. Genealogist n.s. 22 (1906): 88. VCH Buckingham 3 (1925): 203-218. C.P. 7 (1929): chart foll. 452, 475-478 (sub Latimer); 12(2) (1959): 660-661, chart foll. 671 (sub Willoughby). C.F.R. 14 (1934): 301. C.C.R. 1441-1447 (1937): 377-378. St. George, Wiltshire Vis. Peds. 1623 (H.S.P. 105-6) (1954): 216-218 (Willoughbie ped.: "Thom: Willoughbie miles 2 sonne = Elizab: sister et her Joh: Lo Latimer"). Paget, Baronage of England (1957) 404: 10; 576: 1-3 (sub Willoughby); 577: 1 (sub Willoughby). Chancery Miscellanea 5 (List & Index. Soc. 49) (1970): 67. Roskell, House of Commons 1386-1421 4 (1992): ?? (biog. of Richard Welby), 871-873 (biog. of Sir Thomas Willoughby). Baker, Rpts. of Cases by John Caryll 1 (Selden Soc. 115) (1999): 304-333. Cal. IPM 23 (2004): 241-245. Court of Common Pleas, CP40/629, image 984d (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/H5/CP40no629/bCP40no629dorses/IMG_0984.htm). Court of Common Pleas, CP40/629, image 1424d (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/H5/CP40no629/bCP40no629dorses/IMG_1424.htm). Court of Common Pleas, CP40/647, image 662d (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT1/H6/CP40no647/bCP40no647dorses/IMG_0662.htm). Court of Common Pleas, CP40/677, image 1233d (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT1/H6/CP40no677/bCP40no677dorses/IMG_1233.htm). National Archives, C 1/16/418 (available at www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/search.asp). Lincolnshire Archives: Brownlow Estate Recs., BNLW 1/1/5/29.
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