Children of Sir Robert Francis of Foremark
Robert O'Connor
The History of Parliament biography for Sir Robert Francis (referring to an
article in the Genealogist, VII, pp 134-5 & Wright, p 214) states that he
had 8 daughters. The article also refers to his son "Robert the younger".
No reference is made to there being any other sons.
Through various secondary sources I have been able to establish the identies
of 6 of the 8 daughters, in no particular order as follows:
1.Cicely = Thomas Charlton
2.Joan = Sir Thomas Harcourt of Stanton Harcourt (d 1420)
3.Isabel d 1457 = Sir Gervase Clifton (d 1453)
4.Alice = Richard Peyton of Chesterton, Co. Warw.
5.Joyce = Thomas Giffard
6.Anne = William Greville.
This leaves 2 unaccounted for.
Can any kind soul detail the unaccounted two daughters for me.
I suspect that one of them might have been Elizabeth Francis who M John
Brecknock, Esq., of Wyardisbury, Co. Bucks. (High Sheriff of Co. Bucks.,
1440 & later Treasurer to King Henry VI. Died 1 Sept. 1475. M.I. - brass
in Wyardisbury Parish Church). She was recorded as the "widow of John
Brecknock" in her I.P.M, 25 Oct. 1489 & Died March 1488/9. There is a brass
in Wyardisbury Parish Church to their memory.
Any assistance on the "missing" two daughters would be much appreciated and
any comments on the placing of Elizabeth Francis in this family (if at all)
would be appreciated.
With thanks
Robert O'Connor
Hal Bradley
Genealogist, Vol. 1 (1846) (London: Society of Antiquaries, 1846-1858.), p.
361 might have some information. I do not have it at hand right now.
"Derbyshire Pedigrees," The Genealogist (N.S.), Vol. 7 (1890), cited in your
post, lists a daughter Mary who married a Nicholas Strelley. It also names a
son Thomas in addition to Robert. The other variation from your list is that
it states that Anne married Robert Stanton.
The article by John G. Hunt in TAG 35:62-63 states it was Elizabeth that
married Thomas Charlton, changing the assertion in the "Bulkeley Genealogy"
that Elizabeth was the daughter of Adam Francis, making her the daughter of
Sir Robert Francis of Foremark. Was it Elizabeth or Cicely? As these are all
secondary sources, I cannot say. I hope this was of some help.
Can anyone clarify the identity of the wife of Thomas Charlton?
Thank you.
Hal Bradley
Kay Allen AG
Unfortunately, I can't find my copy of the pages concerned. Sorry :-(
K
Shane Hines
I came across this website only a week ago,
http://www.pillagoda.freewire.co.uk/WYCH.htm, which includes as follows:-
"...There is a brass of John Brekenock and his wife Elizabeth, sister of Sir
John Francis (1488) at Wraysbury church. This shows a knight standing on a
greyhound under a canopy. Over his head are the arms of Brecknock "A
chevron between 3 bears gambs, impaling a chevron between 3 eagles
displayed". John Brecknock, Treasurer to King Henry VI & High Sheriff of
Buckingham (1440) died on 1.9.1475 and his 2nd wife, daughter of Robert
Francys of Co. Derby died in March 1488..."
John Brecknock's first wife was apparently named Letitia. Various sources
are cited, but not for this passage as far as I could see.
Hope this helps.
Shane Hines
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert O'Connor [mailto:roco...@es.co.nz]
Sent: 23 January 2003 09:49
To: GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com
Subject: Children of Sir Robert Francis of Foremark
Dear Group
With thanks
Robert O'Connor
______________________________
Peter Sutton
Wright page 214 says:
Sir Robert Francis of Foremark d. bef. 1428 daughters:
Isabel = Sir Gervase Clifton kt.
Joan = Thomas Harcourt of Bosworth
Ann = Robert Stanton
= Ric. Peyton of Chesterton
Mary = Nicholas Strelley
Isabel = Robt. Coney of Weston Coyney
Joyce = Thomas Giffard of Chillingham
Cicely = Richard Charlton
under Francis of Foremark, Robert s/h of Robert kt. daughters:
Cicely = William Fitzherbert
Margaret = Robert Wete
Agnes = Sir Robert Hildierd
Joan = Robert Willoughby
Elizabeth = John Findern of Findern
She quotes no sources for this information. I presume from the way it is
printed that Ric. Peyton was the second wife of Ann as I presume she would
have put in a "?" in if she was referring to a further unnamed daughter.
Wright therefore contradicts some of the information you have from other
sources.
Sorry I cannot help more.
Regards
Peter
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert O'Connor [mailto:roco...@es.co.nz]
> Sent: 23 January 2003 09:49
> To: GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Children of Sir Robert Francis of Foremark
>
>
Todd A. Farmerie
Hal Bradley wrote:
> Robert O'Connor wrote:
>> The History of Parliament biography for Sir Robert Francis (referring to an
>> article in the Genealogist, VII, pp 134-5 & Wright, p 214) states that he
>> had 8 daughters. The article also refers to his son "Robert the younger".
>> No reference is made to there being any other sons.
> Nichols, John Gough (Editor), "Pedigree of Franceis," The Topographer and
> Genealogist, Vol. 1 (1846) (London: Society of Antiquaries, 1846-1858.), p.
> 361 might have some information. I do not have it at hand right now.
The portion of this "Pedigree of Franceis", actually titled
"Table III. Franceis of Foremark, co. Derby", that covers the
correct time period is:
"Robert le Franceys, of Ecclestone, co. Derby, miles, postea de
Foremark, 10 Ric. II", who was second son of John Franceys of
Osmundeston and Tyckenhall, and Margeria, dau. of William Beaufoy
of Trusley, co Derby.
John, of Engleby and Foremark, 14 Ric. II, m. Matildis
Henry le Franceys (sibs William, cleric; Matilda, Felicia, Margeria)
Robert le Franceys de Foremark (son of Henry and grandson of
John, fl. 14 Ric. II). In addition to his heir, he had
"Margaret, ux. Ric. Hoorde, of Maisters, co. Salop, temp. Hen. VI"
Robert le Franceys, sonand heir
"Robert (qu Adam) le Franceys de Foremark, miles", married twice,
1) Anne, heiress of Sir Thomas Clinton of Amington
Margareta, m. Nich. Fitz Herbert
Cecily, m. William Fitz Herbert
Joan, nun
Elizabeth, nun
Thomas, ob. s. p.
2) Eliz., relict of John Fitz Herbert of Somersail
Ralph le Franceis of Foremark, whose desc. Jane
in the fifth descent, married Tho. Burdett of
Bramcott, co. Warwick
taf