Campbell = Beauchamp ??
James Dow Allen
mythical but citing "The House of Argyll and collateral branches
of the Clan Campbell", 1871) one finds:
Malcolm/Gillocallum married (as 2nd wife) NN Beauchamp/Campus-bellus
who was "niece of William the Conqueror"; their children include:
Gillocallum/Gillespic/Archibald Campbell (d. 1091)
-- progenitor of Campbell family
Durine/Guine/Guy/Hugh
-- father of Walter Beauchamp (d. ca 1131)
What do the experts say of this?
Just saying "no evidence" doesn't quench one's curiosity.
If the connections were fabricated, when and why?
Were the ancient Beauchamps also called "de Campo Bello"?
If so, that appears an obvious cognate of "Campbell."
What gives?
James Allen
Douglas Beahm
of Campbell family, died in 1280, not 1091.
"The Scots Peerage Founded on Wood's Edition of Sir Robert Douglas's
Peerage of Scotland Containing an Historical and Genealogical Account of
the Nobility of That Kingdom", Sir James Balfour Paul, Editor, Vol. I
(Argyll, Duke of Campbell), pp. 318-319.
According to the old accounts of the clan now generally known as Clan
Campbell, their original appellation was Clan Duibhne or O'Duin, from a
certain Diarmid O'Duin, who was the ancestor of a long line of
descendants. Tile last of these, 'Paul an Sporran' or Paul of the Purse,
so called because he was the Royal Treasurer, had an only child, his
daughter and heiress, Eva, who gave her hand to a gentleman of Norman
lineage named Campbell, and dowered him with her lands. Clan traditions
are no doubt worthy of respect, but in this work it is not proposed to
go outside the bounds of Charter evidence. In this case the name given
to the clan as Clan O'Duibhne or Clan Duibhne is corroborated by a
reference in a charter of 1368, by which King David II granted to
Archibald Campbell, son of Colin of Lochow, all grants and sales of the
lands of Craignish, Melfort, Strachur, Over Cowall, and other lands in
Argyll, with all the liberties of these lands as freely as Duncan
McDuine, progenitor of the said Archibald Campbell, did enjoy them in
the barony of Lochow, or other lands belonging to him.
Mr. Skene represents this Duncan MacDuine as possessing Lochow, and as
contemporary with King Alexander II. But the charter only implies that
he had certain rights in the barony of Lochow; and as there is no
satisfactory proof that Duncan MacDuine did live in the reign of King
Alexander II, it has been deemed best to begin this account of the
family with:
Sir Gillespic or Archibald Campbell, or Cambel, who is the first
Campbell who actually appears on public record. He is not mentioned in
connection with Lochow, though Mr. Skene suggests in one place that he
may have been heritable sheriff of Argyll, which had been made a
sheriffdom by King Alexander II in 1221, but he received in 1263, or had
held from the Crown, the lands of Menstrie and Sauchie, then in
Stirlingshire. He is also named as a witness, in 1266, to the charter
by King Alexander III erecting Newburgh into a burgh in favour of the
monks of Lindores. In a charter of 1293 he is styled Sir Gillascop
Cambel. He is said to have died about 1280, leaving issue. His wife,
according to Douglas, was Margaret, daughter of William Somervill, baron
of Carnwath; and according to MSS. belonging to the family, Effrick,
daughter of Colin, Lord of Carrick. There was no Colin of Carrick known
to history, and no corroborative evidence has been found for either.
GRHa...@aol.com
jdall...@yahoo.com writes:
> de Campo Bello"?
> If so, that appears an obvious cognate of "Campbell."
>
James, although the sounds of Campo Bello and Campbell may seem to be related
they have different sources. I think that Campo Bello means something like
"pretty camp," while the Scottish name Campbell drives from Gaelic a phrase
meaning "crooked mouth." There are those who would say than fits the Campbells
quite nicely. Have some Campbell genes I cannot agree completely with that
assessment.
Gordon Hale
Grand Prairie, Texas
Renia
The French form of Bello Campo is Beau Champs, both meaning,
"beautiful fields/lands" or similar. Nothing to do with Campbell.
Renia
Alex Maxwell Findlater
Frenchmen, I have to agree that it seems very unlikely that the
adjective would be put before the noun, especially in a name, which
would fossilize, as to pronunciation at least, very quickly.
On the other hand we do have de Vetere Ponte, where the adjective is
before the noun, unusually. However, the second point still obtains;
we have Viponts, but we don't have Ponvets, at least I am not aware of
it.
Terry Mair
however she does not go into anything dealing with the name.
Terry
PDel...@aol.com
no patronymic as such, it would use a territorial designation. As Latin was the
universal written tongue, the holder of a demesne, could have been Pict,
Norman, Flemish, French - his appellation would have been scribed in Latin in the
old documents and would perhaps have not necessarily shown the origin of the
user of the appellation. Bello Campo for instance is a very used name as,
indeed, there were many Beauchamps, Becums, Bocamp, Bocam, Buckem - these are many
variations I have found in the Derbs, Lancashire, Cheshire, indexes for the
mid medieval period (c 1300-1400)....again , these Beauchamps, Bellocampos etc
were not necessarily the famous family of that name!
regards
Peter (de Loriol)