de Vaux family/families
Joema...@aol.com
Could someone in the group tell me if the following information on the
Vaux family/families is correct and is there a connection between the two. I
understand that there is a chart on the ancestry of the Multon and Vaux
families in CP IX, pages 396-408, but unfortunately I do not have a copy of
CP and do not have easy access to a copy.
Hubert de Vaux of Irthington, Co. Cumberland, (d. by 1165), married Grecia.
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Ranulph de Vaux of same, (d. 1198), married Alice.
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Robert de Vaux of same, married Maud.
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Hubert de Vaux of same, married Alice.
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Maud de Vaux, (d. just before 28 May 1293), married Thomas de Multon of
Gilsand and Burgh-on-Sands, Co. Cumberland.
The next Vaux family is:
Robert de Vaux of Pentney, Co. Norfolk, (d. after 1086), married a daughter
of Hubert de Munchesni.
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Robert de Vaux of same, married Agnes.
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William de Vaux of same, (d. after 1150).
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Oliver de Vaux of same, (d. between 1235-1244), married Petronilla de Craon.
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John de Vaux of Freiston, Co. Lincoln, married Sibyl.
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Maud de Vaux, married in 1287, Lord William de Ros, (d. 1316).
On Nov 4 2001, James D. Allen posted information entitled "Alice Mohun's
royal ancestors." Included in this posting was information on the ancestors
of Beatrix de Vaux, wife of William II de Briwere. The following is given.
Beatrix de Vaux
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Hubert I de Vaux, (d. ca 1165), married Grecia.
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Robert II de Vaux, married a daughter of Hubert de Munchesni.
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Robert I de Vaux.
Could someone tell me if this is correct? If it is, then it would
appear that this one family. Thanks in advance for your help.
Joan Burdyck
Doug Smith
<Joema...@aol.com> wrote in message news:28.20cbc2d...@aol.com...
> Hi Group:
>
> Could someone in the group tell me if the following information on
the
> Vaux family/families is correct and is there a connection between the two.
I
> understand that there is a chart on the ancestry of the Multon and Vaux
> families in CP IX, pages 396-408, but unfortunately I do not have a copy
of
This is what have from CP IX pps 396-408 and Moriarity's notebooks:
Modified Register for Robert de VAUX
First Generation
1. Robert de VAUX died after 1086.
Robert married Daughter de MONTCHENSEY daughter of Hubert de
MONTCHENSEY.
They had the following children:
+ 2 M i. Hubert de VAUX Baron of Gilisland died
about 1165.
+ 3M ii. Robert de VAUX.
Second Generation
2. Hubert de VAUX Baron of Gilisland (Robert de) died about 1165.
Hubert married Grecia.
They had the following children:
4 M i. Robert de VAUX Baron of Gilisland was born
about 1140. He died in
1195.
Robert married (1) Isabel.
Robert married (2) Ada ENGAINE daughter of William ENGAINE
and
Eustacie.
+ 5 M ii. Ranulph de VAUX Baron of Gilisland died
in 1198.
3. Robert de VAUX (Robert de) was born in of Pentney, England.
Robert married Agnes.
They had the following children:
+ 6 M i. William de VAUX died after 1150.
Third Generation
5. Ranulph de VAUX Baron of Gilisland (Hubert de, Robert de) died in
1198.
Ranulph married Alice.
They had the following children:
+ 7 M i. Robert II de VAUX was born about
1185.
8 F ii. Grecia de VAUX.
6. William de VAUX (Robert de, Robert de) was born in of Pentney,
England. He died after
1150.
20 Jan 2002 Descendants of Robert de
VAUX Page 1
William had the following children:
+ 9 M i. Robert de VAUX was born about 1145.
Fourth Generation
7. Robert II de VAUX (Ranulph de, Hubert de, Robert de) was born about
1185.
Robert married Maud.
They had the following children:
10 M i. Hubert de VAUX of Gillisland, Cumberland was born about
1205.
Hubert married Aline. Aline was born about 1205.
9. Robert de VAUX (William de, Robert de, Robert de) was born about 1145 in
of Pentney
England.
He had the following children:
11 M i. Sir Oliver de VAUX was born about 1200 in of Freiston,
Lincolnshire,
England. He died in 1238/1241.
Oliver married Petronilla de CRAON daughter of Guy de
CRAON and
Isabel BASSET about 1230. Petronilla was born about 1200
in of Freiston,
Lincolnshire, England. She died in 1262.
20 Jan 2002Descendants of Robert de VAUXpage 2
Doug Smith
Doug Smith
>
> Could someone in the group tell me if the following information on
the
> Vaux family/families is correct and is there a connection between the two.
I
> understand that there is a chart on the ancestry of the Multon and Vaux
> families in CP IX, pages 396-408, but unfortunately I do not have a copy
of
> CP and do not have easy access to a copy.
See the following as well :
Maurice de Berkeley was married to Isabel de Chilham, not Isabel de Craon.
Vol XIV page 87 amendment to Vol 2 page 127 line 13:
"delete from `Rohese` to `DOVER` and replace by `Rose, da. and h. of
Foubert DE DOUVRES' {see _Genealogists_, N.S., 1906, vol. xxii, pp. 107-9}"
Amendment to Vol 1 305:
lines 30-1 "delete from `da` to `Dover` and replace by `sister and h. of
Richard DE DOUVRES of Chilham, Kent (d. 1265-6), da. of Richard DE DOUVRES
of the same (living 1247)
note (c) delete all and replace by `This Richard de Douvres was s. and h.
of Richard Fitzroy (d. 1245-6), by Rose (d. 1264-5), da. and h. of Foubert
de Douvres, all of Chilham afsd., ...
Doug Smith
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Joema...@aol.com writes:
> Hubert de Vaux of Irthington, Co. Cumberland, (d. by 1165), married Grecia.
> /
> Ranulph de Vaux of same, (d. 1198), married Alice.
> /
> Robert de Vaux of same, married Maud.
> /
> Hubert de Vaux of same, married Alice.
> /
> Maud de Vaux, (d. just before 28 May 1293), married Thomas de Multon of
> Gilsand and Burgh-on-Sands, Co. Cumberland.
>
>
What I have:
Direct Descendants of Hubert de Vaux
1 Hubert de Vaux d: Abt. 1165 Witness to charters of
Empress Maud and Henry II; to charter of Baldwin, Earl of Exeter; had Barony
of Gilsland from Henry II in 1158; succeeded by son Robert 1165.
.. +Grecia
2 Ranulph de Vaux d: 1198
.. +Alice
3 Robert de Vaux
.. +Maud
4 Hubert de Vaux b: in Of Gilsland, Cumberland
5 Maud de Vaux d: Abt. 28 May 1293
.. +Thomas de Multon, THOMAS DE MULTON, 1st son of Thomas DE MULTON of
Egremont by his 2nd wife, Ada, daughter and coheir of Hugh DE MORVILL,
Forester of Cumberland (See MULTON of Egremont), was his mother's heir. His
father gave him the Lincs manors of Whaplode and Holbeach, and at Michaelmas
1242 he accounted for his relief on succession to his mother's inheritance.
Before Michaelmas 1252 he had confirmation of all the liberties of the forest
of Cumberland as his ancestors had held them, and custody of Carlisle Castle.
He was summoned for service in Wales in 1258; in 1264-65 he sided with the
Barons against the King, but it is uncertain whether it was he or his
namesake nephew of Egremont who was by them appointed Warden of the Coast,
and (or) keeper of Carlisle Castle. On 18 June 1266 he had a safe conduct to
come to Court, provided he kept faith with the King and his heirs; and, in
July 1270, protection for 3 years. He married Maud, daughter and heir of
Hubert DE VAUX of Gilsland. He died before 14 January 1270/1. His widow
died shortly before 28 May 1293. [CP 9:405-6]
Always optimistic--Dave
malinda
Robert de Ros, Lord of Helmsley,Co York; MC Surety (d 1227) m Isabel ,
natural daughter of William the Lion, King of Scotland
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Wm de Ros, Lord of Helmsley (d 1258) m Lucy (FitzPiers ?)
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Robert de Ros, Lord of Helmsley & Belvoir (d 1285) m Isabel d'Aubigny
(d/o Wm d'Aubigny of Belvoir)
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Wm de Ros, Lord Ros (d 1317, Claimant to the Crown of Scotland) m.
Maud de VAUX (daughter and heir of John de VAUX)
These folks are ancestral both to Col John WASHINGTON (great grandfather
of President George WASHINGTON) and the WRIGHTs of Virginia (see below)
Robert de Ros, Lord of Helmsley,Co York; MC Surety (d 1227) m Isabel ,
natural daughter of William the Lion, King of Scotland
/
Wm de Ros, Lord of Helmsley (d 1258) m Lucy (FitzPiers ?)
/
Wm de Ros (d bef 1310) m Eustace FITZHUGH
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Lucy de Ros (d aft 1332) m Robert PLUMPTON
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Wm de PLUMPTON m Christiana MOWBRAY
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Robert PLUMPTON (d 1407) m Isabella SCROPE
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Wm PLUMPTON (beheaded 1405) m Alice GISBURN
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Robert PLUMPTON (d 1421) m Alice FOLJAMBE
(d/ Godfrey FOLJAMBE & Isabel LEAKE)
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Wm PLUMPTON (d 1480) m Elizabeth STAPLETON
/
Agnes PLUMPTON m Richard ALDBOROUGH
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Agnes ALDBOROUGH m Wm THORNTON (d 1487;
desc of John de Grey)
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Robert THORNTON (d 1514) m Jane LAYTON
(d/o Wm LAYTON of Sproxton)
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Wm THORNTON m Margaret LEIGH
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Robert THORNTON m Margaret de THWENG (desc of Sir Marmaduke
de Thweng who fought Sir Wm Wallace at Stirling Bridge & Lucy de BRUS)
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Anne THORNTON m Wm WRIGHT (d 1621; bur St Mary's, Welwick,
grandson of Elizabeth GIRLINGTON=Thomas GRIMSTON &
Alice RYTHER & John WRIGHT )
/
Francis WRIGHT m Anne MARKHAM
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Francis WRIGHT m Grace BECKWITH (d/o Roger BECKWITH of
Aldborough)
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Rev Francis WRIGHT, D.D. (d 1665) m Anne MERYTON
(d/o Very Rev George MERYTON, Dean of York, Chaplain to Queen Anne)
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Capt Richard WRIGHT, Immigrant (1633-1663) m Anne MOTTROM
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Major Francis WRIGHT m Anne WASHINGTON
(d/o Col John WASHINGTON )
~malinda
Renia
I have William as died 23 Aug 1631, grandson of John Wright and Alice Ryther,
and of Thomas Grimston and Ursula Podeton.
Renia
malinda
Ryther,
> and of Thomas Grimston and Ursula Podeton.
>
> Renia
I have....
Ursula RUDSTON (sometimes expressed as Podeton) as the 2nd wife
of Robert WRIGHT (b abt 1502, Plowland, s/o John WRIGHT & Alice
RYTHER). He 1st married Anne GRIMSTON .
Wm WRIGHT (1528-1621) issued from the 1st marriage of the above
John WRIGHT. John and Christopher WRIGHT (of Gunpowder Plot
involvement) issued from the 2nd marriage. So, Ursula was step-mother
to Wm WRIGHT, not grandmother. It's hard to keep the WRIGHTs
sorted out
Do you happen to know which SUTTON was the mother of Alice
RYTHER (d/o Gilbert RYTHER) who married John WRIGHT of
Plowland ?
And...if anyone happens to know where Ursula Wright was
imprisoned, at least one of the Wright cousins is after that tidbit. Most
everyone says Hull off the top of their heads, but we don't have proof
of that as yet. Just wondering.
~malinda
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From: "Renia" <ren...@DUMPbtinternet.com>
To: <GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: de Vaux family/families
Cristopher Nash
> >This is what have from CP IX pps 396-408 and Moriarity's notebooks:
>
> Modified Register for Robert de VAUX
>
> First Generation
>
> 1. Robert de VAUX died after 1086.
>
> Robert married Daughter de MONTCHENSEY daughter of Hubert de
>MONTCHENSEY.<
There appear to be several Huberts de Montchensy/Munchesny in this
period (and I see in CP [sub 'Munchensy', to which you refer] no
allusion to a Vaux before 1164). Judging by subsequent allusions to
Pentney, presumably the Robert de VAUX alluded to here would be
Robert de Vallibus (perh. from Vaux-sur-Seulles) given in
Keats-Rohan, _Domesday People_, 382 -- but acc. to Keats-Rohan he m.
Agnes da. of Ranulf fitz Walter. Can you help us with more data
(from Moriarty's notes?)?.
[SNIP]
> > 11 M i. Sir Oliver de VAUX was born about 1200 in of Freiston,
>Lincolnshire,
>
> England. He died in 1238/1241. <
This appears to be the first of the Vauxs of Fre(i)ston, Lincs, and
it would be helpful to know how the Lincs. line arises. Cf.
Malinda's <Wm de Ros, Lord Ros (d 1317, Claimant to the Crown of
Scotland) m. Maud de VAUX (daughter and heir of John de VAUX)>. The
John de Vaux referred to by Malinda would be the s. of an Oliver de
Vaux of Freston. Again, does Moriarty give any help here?
> Oliver married Petronilla de CRAON daughter of Guy de
>CRAON and
>
> Isabel BASSET about 1230. Petronilla was born about 1200
>in of Freiston,
>
> Lincolnshire, England. She died in 1262.
>
>20 Jan 2002Descendants of Robert de VAUXpage 2
>
>Doug Smith
Thanks!
Cris
--
Renia
> > I have William as died 23 Aug 1631, grandson of John Wright and Alice
> Ryther,
> > and of Thomas Grimston and Ursula Podeton.
> >
> > Renia
>
> I have....
> Ursula RUDSTON (sometimes expressed as Podeton) as the 2nd wife
> of Robert WRIGHT (b abt 1502, Plowland, s/o John WRIGHT & Alice
> RYTHER). He 1st married Anne GRIMSTON .
Are you saying that this Ursula Rudston/Podeton was married to both Thomas
Grimston and Robert Wright? Various websites say various things. There's an
awful lot of confusion with all sorts of people being associated with other
people of the wrong generation. I can't remember the exact confusion.
I would say these are two separate women. The Visitation of Yorkshire (Wright)
has William as son of Robert Wright and Anne Grimston. Burke's History of
Commoners (Wright) have Anne Grimston as daughter of Thomas Grimston and Ursula
Podeton.
> Wm WRIGHT (1528-1621) issued from the 1st marriage of the above
> John WRIGHT. John and Christopher WRIGHT (of Gunpowder Plot
> involvement) issued from the 2nd marriage.
I agree. (2nd marriage to Ursula Rudstone.)
> So, Ursula was step-mother
> to Wm WRIGHT, not grandmother. It's hard to keep the WRIGHTs
> sorted out
We're talking about two different women. My problem is with Elizabeth
Girlington.
> Do you happen to know which SUTTON was the mother of Alice
> RYTHER (d/o Gilbert RYTHER) who married John WRIGHT of
> Plowland ?
I simply have her name as Isabell with no surname.
>
> And...if anyone happens to know where Ursula Wright was
> imprisoned, at least one of the Wright cousins is after that tidbit. Most
> everyone says Hull off the top of their heads, but we don't have proof
> of that as yet. Just wondering.
The Gunpowder Plot Society people say she was incarcerated in Hull for a total
of 14 years, along with her Babthorpe cousin. Margaret Ward seems to have
written about this.
Renia
Robert S Baxter
William de Partenai
"Occurs Domesday Norfold in a section relating usurpations of land.
The context suggests that he was associated with Roger
Bigod...toponym...error
for Pentenai (Penteney, a manor held by Robert de Vallibus from Roger.
Robert...perhaps son of William, who was not necessarily alive in
1086(though
he may have been the monk william de Valibus...His own son was named
William."
Robert de Vallibus
"Norman, Domesday tenant of Roger Bigod, perhaps a relative of Aitard
de Vallibus; possibley named from Vaux-sur-Seulles, Calvados...Founder
of Pentney Priory, Norfolk, c 1130...married Agnes, dtr of Ranulf fitz
Walter, by whom...
three sons, William, Oliver, and Henry, and a daughter, Agnes...a
young may in 1086. Possibly he had only recently succeded his father,
who is perhaps to be identified with William de Partenai..."
Bob
malinda
> > I have....
> > Ursula RUDSTON (sometimes expressed as Podeton) as the 2nd wife
> > of Robert WRIGHT (b abt 1502, Plowland, s/o John WRIGHT & Alice
> > RYTHER). He 1st married Anne GRIMSTON .
>
> Are you saying that this Ursula Rudston/Podeton was married to both Thomas
> Grimston and Robert Wright?
nope...just to Robert Wright
Various websites say various things. There's an
> awful lot of confusion with all sorts of people being associated with
other
> people of the wrong generation. I can't remember the exact confusion.
Should you ever have any epiphanies about these matters, I'd like to hear
them.
> I would say these are two separate women. The Visitation of Yorkshire
(Wright)
> has William as son of Robert Wright and Anne Grimston. Burke's History of
> Commoners (Wright) have Anne Grimston as daughter of Thomas Grimston and
Ursula
> Podeton.
> We're talking about two different women. My problem is with Elizabeth
> Girlington.
The Visitation of Yorkshire (Harleian Series, p. 152) shows Elizabeth
Girlington as
wife of Thomas Grimston in the Visitation pedigree for Grymston.
~malinda
Robert S Baxter
Aitard de Vals
"Norman, major tenant of Roger Bigod...Thetford charters..mention grants of
Aitard and Robert de Vallibus, nad were atttested by Robert and
Aitard...Aitard perhaps younger brother of Robert...successors to the
Vallibus holdings...william fitz Robert de Vaux and Robert de Vaux...William
ws certainly the heir of the Domesday Robert; perhaps Robert was Aitard's
descendant and heir...?
Bob
Joema...@aol.com
appreciate it.
Joan