Walter de Scotney executed 1259

[Stormserotica]

Has anyone any information on Walter de Scotney (Scotnei,Scoteny) who was
executed at Winchester Castle 1259 for the murder of William de Clare and
atempted murder of William's brother Richard de Clare 6th Earl of Hertford,
2nd
Earl of Gloucester. Im off to the PRO at Kew tommorow, dont know why as if
I do find anything it'll be in Latin and as youll see from my spelling I
strugal with the English.

Thanks

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regards

Ken Scotney
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01784 464902

[Ian Cairns]

Sadly none. But presumably Sutton Scotney, a small village north of
Winchester (where A30 meets A34), is related?

Ian Cairns

"Stormserotica" <ken.s...@lineone.net> wrote in message
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[euroleader]

Just a couple of mentions I came across....

Regards Peter
http://pro.wanadoo.fr/euroleader/wedderburn

researching the Wedderburns and their descendants around the world.
_________________________________________________

"Ref. Crowhurst: The village is first mentioned in 771 as Croghyrst, when
King Offa of Mercia, gave the Bishop of Selsey 8 hides (a measurement of
area) within the village. In return, the Bishop built a church for the
population.

Before 1066 Crowhurst Manor was owned by King Harold, and was completely
destroyed by the Normans before the battle of Hastings. After the conquest
the land was given to Robert Count of Eu.

After the conquest, the manor was owned by the Fitz-Lambert family who were
the landowners til the late 1200's, when Walter de Scotney came to control
it. De Scotney was one of the knights who accompanied Richard I on his 3rd
crusade . On returning from the Crusade , Walter was accused of trying to
poison his employer the Earl of Gloucester and was found guilty and executed
in 1259 at Winchester, and the land reverted to the monarchy.

To the south of the church is the old ruined manor house built by Walter de
Scotney in the 12th century, it looks small now, but was probably a major
undertaking at the time. Supposedly a gentleman of substance, he made do
with this dwelling that was a mere 6 metres by 12 metres."

"Ian Cairns" <i...@picomp.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Sadly none. But presumably Sutton Scotney, a small village north of
> Winchester (where A30 meets A34), is related?
>
> Ian Cairns
>
> "Stormserotica" <ken.s...@lineone.net> wrote in message
> news:8rgncl$gf5$1...@supernews.com...

[I Wallace]

: "euroleader" <eurol...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:- (Re.Crowhurst, East Sussex)

"After the conquest, the manor was owned by the Fitz-Lambert family
who were
the landowners til the late 1200's, when Walter de Scotney came to control
it. De Scotney was one of the knights who accompanied Richard I on his 3rd
crusade . On returning from the Crusade , Walter was accused of trying to
poison his employer the Earl of Gloucester and was found guilty and
executed
in 1259 at Winchester, and the land reverted to the monarchy.

To the south of the church is the old ruined manor house built by Walter de
Scotney in the 12th century, it looks small now, but was probably a major
undertaking at the time. Supposedly a gentleman of substance, he made do
with this dwelling that was a mere 6 metres by 12 metres."

I think this was the de Scotney family who held Scotney
near Lamberhurst in the 13th century, this is about 13 miles NNW of
Crowhurst. A Walter de Scotney (obviously not the same one) is also said
to have held Scotney Court near Lydd (about 14 miles ENE of Crowhurst) in
1270. It is said that the name originated (pinch of salt here is in order
I think) "from the title of the barons of Scotini, natives of Scotigny in
northern France" according to Glover's "Place Names of Kent".

Ian Wallace (in Bexleyheath, Kent)

[Scotney a One name Study]

Thanks to every one who responded. I have found entrys for Scotney in
Lincolnshire. Hampshire and Kent. But only small pices of info. If anyone
comes accross any refrence nomatter how small it would be of great help,
Also Im a bit stuck with where to look from
here for info on Scotigny in N france. been looking around the web but no
luck, If anyone has a good ULR it would be of great help.
Ken

"I Wallace" <10163...@compuserve.com> wrote in message
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[A Channing]

> Thanks to every one who responded. I have found entrys for Scotney in
> Lincolnshire. Hampshire and Kent. But only small pices of info. If anyone
> comes accross any refrence nomatter how small it would be of great help,
> Also Im a bit stuck with where to look from
> here for info on Scotigny in N france. been looking around the web but
no
> luck, If anyone has a good ULR it would be of great help.
> Ken

Oxford "A Dictionary of English Surnames":-
Scotney: Hugo de Scotini 1143-7 DC (Lincolnshire) [=F M Stenton's Documents
illustrative of the Social and Economic History of the Danelaw, London
1920] ; Walter Escoteni, Escoteigni 1195-6 Pipe Rolls (Lincolnshire);
William de Scoteny 1219 AssY [=Assize Rolls, Yorkshire]. From Etocquigny
(Seine-Inferieure, France). Scotney Castle (Sussex) was built c1180 by
Walter de Scotiniis see ANF [=L C Loyd The Origins of fome Anglo-Norman
Families (Harleian Soc 103 1951)]

I think it is the ex MP Jeffrey Archer who now owns Scotney Castle, which I
thought was in county Kent not Sussex - perhaps it is on the boarder.

Adrian (Surrey, UK) ACha...@CompuServe.Com

[A Channing]

Correction: for Jeffrey Archer read Jonathan Aitkin, I think

[andrew.g....@gmail.com]

Hi ken.
I am andrew crowhurst. Decent of walter. After his death the family that remained in york changed their last name to crowhurst as a way to stay alive.
It would be good if you were able to make contact on andrew.g....@gmail.com as there is more information that is kept and handed down within the family.
Regards
Andrew Crowhurst