Complete Peerage Correction: Henry, Earl of Lancaster's marriage to Alix de Joinville
Douglas Richardson
Complete Peerage 7 (1929): 396-401 (sub Lancaster) gives an excellent
account of the life of Henry of Lancaster, Knt., Earl of Lancaster and
Leicester (died 1345), a grandson of King Henry III of England. Earl
Henry was an important man in his time period. Describing his
character, the Dictionary of National Biography says of Henry that he
was "courteous and kind-hearted, of sound judgement, religious, and
apparently of high principle" [Reference: D.N.B. 9 (1908): 551–552].
He is chiefly noted as the person who arrested his cousin, King Edward
II, in 1326, which arrest eventually led to King Edward II's untimely
death the following year, though not at Earl Henry's hands.
Complete Peerage provides two marriages for Henry of Lancaster, one to
Maud de Chaworth, the other to Alix de Joinville. It is the second
marriage which interests us in this post. Regarding this marriage,
Complete Peerage states the following:
"He married, 2ndly, as her 2nd husband, Alix, who in 1307 was widow of
Jean, Sieur d'Arcies sub Aube et de Chacenay, and daughter of John
Joinville, Seneschal of Champagne, historian of St. Louis, by his 2nd
wife, Alix de Risnel, daughter and heiress of Gautier, Seigneur de
Risnel." END OF QUOTE.
Complete Peerage cites two sources for this marriage, one of them
being "Anselme, vol. vi, p. 695." Pere Anselme's work, Histoire de la
Maison Royale de France, is available on line on the helpful gallica
website (http://gallica.bnf.fr). Pere Anselme states the following
regarding the marriage of Alix de Joinville and Henry of Lancaster on
the volume and page cited by Complete Peerage:
"Alix de Joinville, mariée (1) par traité pallé à Joinville le jour de
l'Invention de Sainte Croix 1300. à Jean seigneur d'Arcies sur Aube et
de Chacenay; (2) avant 1316 à Henry d'Angleterre comte de Lancastre,
seigneur de Montmouth, de Beaufort et de Nogent. Le dimanche aprés la
S. Martin d'hyver 1316, se qualifiant dame de Beaufort, elle promit
faire hommage de sa terre de Chacenay à l'évêque de Langres, si
c'étoit la coutume de Champagne. Catulaire de Langres, p. 189." END
OF QUOTE.
As we can see, Pere Anselme makes no qualification regarding Alix de
Joinville's marriage to Henry of Lancaster, which he places as having
taken place before 1316.
In truth, Alix de Joinville actually married before July 1312 Henry of
Lancaster's younger brother, John of Lancaster, seigneur of Beaufort
(present day Montmorency, Aube, arrond. d'Arcis-sur Aube, canton de
Chavanges) and Nogent-l'Artaud (Aisne, arrond. de Château-Thierry,
canton de Charly). Little is known of his life. John of Lancaster
was born before May 1286. He was living July 1312, died in France
before 1327. He evidently had no issue. For information on his seal
and coat of arms, see Coat of Arms 7 (1962): 18–24.
The evidence that John of Lancaster's wife was Alix de Joinville is
found in the book, Jean de Joinville et les seigneurs de Joinville, by
H.-F. Delaborde, published in 1894. This work can be found on line on
the gallica website cited above. On page 409, the following document
is presented:
No. 733
Date: July 1312
"Jean de Lancastre, seigneur de Beaufort, et sa femme Alix de
Joinville font à l'abbaye de la Chapelle-aux-Planches une fondation de
quatre messes par semaine. Arch. de la Haute-Marne, La
Chapelle-aux-Planches, folio 27 r." END OF QUOTE.
The Joinville book presents several other documents relating to Alix
de Joinville which shows that she was living as late as 31 March 1336.
In the documents which date after 1312, Alix is styled simply as
"dame de Beaufort," never as Countess of Lancaster.
Further details of John of Lancaster and his wife, Alix de Joinville,
will be found in my forthcoming book, Plantagenet Ancestry, which I
antipate will be available for shipping sometime in late December.
Please contact me at my e-mail address below if interested in
obtaining a copy of the book.
As for John of Lancaster's holdings, the castles of Beaufort and
Nogent-l'Artaud, they eventually fell by inheritance to John of
Lancaster's great niece, Blanche of Lancaster, whose husband, John of
Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster, leased them in 1365 to John Wyn for ten
years at a yearly rental of £100 sterling.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
E-mail: royala...@msn.com
Reedpcgen
>antipate will be available for shipping sometime in late December.
>
If it will be available for SHIPPING [sic] in December, doesn't it have to be
at the publisher (Genealogical Publishing Company) some weeks before, so that
it can be printed first?
Paul
Malinda Jones
United States by the govt of Great Britain, George Washington descends from
Henry of Lancaster's marriage to Maud Chaworth.
~malinda
From: "Douglas Richardson" <royala...@msn.com>
To: <GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 12:15 PM
Subject: Complete Peerage Correction: Henry, Earl of Lancaster's marriage to
Alix de Joinville
> Dear Newsgroup ~
>
> Complete Peerage 7 (1929): 396-401 (sub Lancaster) gives an excellent
> account of the life of Henry of Lancaster, Knt., Earl of Lancaster and
> Leicester (died 1345), a grandson of King Henry III of England. Earl
> Henry was an important man in his time period. Describing his
> character, the Dictionary of National Biography says of Henry that he
> was "courteous and kind-hearted, of sound judgement, religious, and
> apparently of high principle" [Reference: D.N.B. 9 (1908): 551-552].
> and coat of arms, see Coat of Arms 7 (1962): 18-24.
Brad Verity
> In truth, Alix de Joinville actually married before July 1312 Henry of
> Lancaster's younger brother, John of Lancaster, seigneur of Beaufort
> (present day Montmorency, Aube, arrond. d'Arcis-sur Aube, canton de
> Chavanges) and Nogent-l'Artaud (Aisne, arrond. de Chāteau-Thierry,
> canton de Charly). Little is known of his life. John of Lancaster
> was born before May 1286. He was living July 1312, died in France
> before 1327. He evidently had no issue. For information on his seal
> and coat of arms, see Coat of Arms 7 (1962): 18?24.
Great correction, Douglas. According to Kenneth Fowler's 1969
biography of Henry of Grosmont, Duke of Lancaster: "The youngest
brother, John, secured the lordships of Beaufort and Nogent-sur-Marne
in France, acquired by Edmund [Earl of Lancaster, brother of Edward I]
through his second marriage. But when John died in 1317 these
interests in Champagne and Brie passed to Edmund's second son, Henry,
who went to France in 1318 to render his homage and take over the
lordships, from one of which he assumed the title of lord of
Beaufort."
I remember seeing the Chancery Roll (can't remember if it was Patent
or Close Roll) entry regarding Henry of Lancaster's trip to France
right after his brother John's death, but I didn't make a copy of that
page. Should be pretty easy to find, though.
> The evidence that John of Lancaster's wife was Alix de Joinville is
> found in the book, Jean de Joinville et les seigneurs de Joinville, by
> H.-F. Delaborde, published in 1894. This work can be found on line on
> the gallica website cited above. On page 409, the following document
> is presented:
Was Alix de Joinville, dame of Beaufort, related to Jeanne de
Geneville, wife of Roger de Mortimer, Queen Isabella's lover? If so,
then Alix and John of Lancaster were related, I believe - both having
Isabella of Angouleme, wife of King John, as an ancestor?
Cheers, ----Brad
John Steele Gordon
JSG
"Douglas Richardson" <royala...@msn.com> wrote in message
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> In truth, Alix de Joinville actually married before July 1312 Henry of
> Lancaster's younger brother, John of Lancaster, seigneur of Beaufort
> (present day Montmorency, Aube, arrond. d'Arcis-sur Aube, canton de
> Chavanges) and Nogent-l'Artaud (Aisne, arrond. de Chāteau-Thierry,
> canton de Charly). Little is known of his life. John of Lancaster
> was born before May 1286. He was living July 1312, died in France
> before 1327. He evidently had no issue. For information on his seal
> and coat of arms, see Coat of Arms 7 (1962): 18-24.
Douglas Richardson
Thank you for your good post.
If you have Kenneth Fowler's book handy, does he give any source for
John of Lancaster's death date in 1317? My impression is that John
spent a good deal of his adult life in France, which would explain the
lack of records concerning him in England. Next time I go to the
library, I'll look for the record of Henry of Lancaster's trip to
France in 1318. Thanks for mentioning this item to me.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
E-mail: royala...@msn.com
bat...@hotmail.com (Brad Verity) wrote in message news:<8ed1b63.03092...@posting.google.com>...
David B.
<5cf47a19.0309...@posting.google.com>...
>
>If you have Kenneth Fowler's book handy, does he give any source for
>John of Lancaster's death date in 1317?
There would presumably have to be an Inquisition Post Mortem concerning his
estates in England, which would be in the PRO Calendar of IPMs.
>Next time I go to the
>library, I'll look for the record of Henry of Lancaster's trip to
>France in 1318.
There doesn't seem to be a lot specifically on the trip; nothing in the
Close Rolls that I could see, and just these entries in the Calendar of
Patent Rolls (Edward II, vol 3):
May 16 1318: Simple protection (until Xmas) granted to various individuals
going beyond the seas, including Henry de Lancastre and his companions
William de Cantilupo & Thomas le Blount
May 22: Adam de Skelton, going with Henry de Lancastre beyond the seas, has
letters nominating John de Skelton & Robert de Clyveland as his attorneys
for 1 year.
Jun 6: Protection for 1 year, with clause "nolumus", for Adam de Skelton,
going beyond the seas with Henry de Lancastre.
28 Sep 1318: Remission to Henry de Lancastre, king's kinsman staying in
France to obtain his inheritance of land following the death of his brother
John de Lancastre, of service he ought to have done in the army in
Scotland.
1 Feb 1318/9: Protection with clause "volumus" until St Peter ad Vincula,
for Henry de Lancastre, going on king's service beyond the seas.
(i.e. presumably he had returned from his personal trip and was promptly
sent out again)
Brad Verity
> If you have Kenneth Fowler's book handy, does he give any source for
> John of Lancaster's death date in 1317?
No, he doesn't give a source for the statement.
> My impression is that John
> spent a good deal of his adult life in France, which would explain the
> lack of records concerning him in England.
According to Maddicott's biography of Thomas of Lancaster, all three
of Edmund's sons spent most of their youth in France, where their
elder sister Jeanne of Navarre was Queen.
> Next time I go to the
> library, I'll look for the record of Henry of Lancaster's trip to
> France in 1318. Thanks for mentioning this item to me.
You're welcome. I have a feeling the Chancery Roll entry was the
source for Fowler's statement.
The...@aol.com wrote in message news:<11e.25c772...@aol.com>...
> Brad, there is no Lusignan/Angouleme ancestry involved with Alix de
> Joinville. She was the younger daughter of the historian/seneschal Jean de
> Joinville, great-uncle of Joan (or Jeanne) de Joinville/Geneville:
Thanks for this, John. I easily get my Joinvilles and Lusignans all
confused!
Cheers, ---Brad