Another CP Correction: Margaret Howard, wife of Constantine Clifton
Douglas Richardson
Complete Peerage 3 (1913): 308 (sub Clifton) has a good account of the
history of Constantine Clifton, 2nd Lord Clifton (died 1396). It
states his widow, Margaret Howard, married (2nd) Gilbert Talbot, and
that she died 25 March 1433.
Actually, it would appear that Margaret Howard actually died in 1434.
The writs of diem clausit extremum following Margaret's death are
dated 2 April 1434 and 26 April 1434. They were issued in the name of
both "Margaret late the wife of Constatine de Clifton, esquire" and
"Margaret late the wife of Gilbert Talbot" [see Calendar of Fine
Rolls, 1430-1437 (1936), pp. 166-167]. J.S. Roskell's well written
biography of Sir Gilbert Talbot (Margaret's 2nd husband) likewise
states that Margaret died 25 March 1434, not 1433 (see J.S. Roskell,
House of Commons 1386–1421 3 (1992): 560–563 (biog. of Sir Gilbert
Talbot)].
The following colonial immigrants descend from Margaret (Howard)
(Clifton) Talbot:
1. Kenelm Cheseldine.
2. Grace Chetwode.
3. Muriel Gurdon.
4. Anne & Katherine Marbury.
5. Thomas Owsley.
Please see below for Ronny Bodine's valuable post regarding a
correction for the parentage of Margaret (Howard) (Clifton) Talbot.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
E-mail: royala...@msn.com
<From: rbodi...@aol.com (RBodine996)
<Subject: Margaret Howard, wife of Constantine de Clifton
<Date: 2000/07/16
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<Something recently came to my attention that I had previously
overlooked and
<would like a second (or third) opinion on the matter.
<Margaret Howard was married to Constantine de Clifton (c1372-1395).
She is
<called the daughter of Sir John Howard (c1366-1437) and his wife
Margaret
<Plaiz, and granddaughter of Sir Robert Howard (c1335/6-1388) and wife
Margery
<Scales by The Complete Peerage, vol. 3, p. 308 in its account of
Clifton, by
<Paget in his Official Baronage in his chart of Clifton (no. 134a), in
Burke's
<Peerage, p. 1975 of the 105th edition, and even in John Robinson's
The Dukes <of Norfolk [1982]. Yet, Roskell, in The History of
Parliament 1386-1421, in <the account of Sir John Howard (vol. 3, p
431-3), refers on page 432 to <Constantine de Clifton as his
brother-in-law, implying that Margaret was <actually his sister and
not his daughter.
<The chronology is certainly tight. Sir John Howard married Margaret
Plaiz
<c1380 and she died 1391. Say that their presumed daughter Margaret
was born
<1381, she married Constantine de Clifton after Feb 1389/90 and bore
son John <in 1394, at the age of 13. It is possible, but is it
likely? Is there some <other more conclusive proof to swing the vote
one way or another?
<Ronny Bodine