Stewarts of Castlemilk
Allan Martens Andersen
I would like to ask You a question: Does anybody know the origin of John
Stewart of Castlemilk, whose daughter married Robert Lyle, from which
married couple I think there came a danish branch - the Leyel Family. He
should according to Stuart of Torrance, an old genealogist be a
descendant of the Darnley branch of the Stewarts, he had a son called
William, so perhaps his father was one too. Can there be found an
alternative William Stuart as father to John of Castlemilk Stewart.
Where is Castlemilk Castle situated, and were there any other Stewarts
(and Willam Stewart) close to this place in about, lets say 1400. It
would be preferable to find the link from the Castlemilk Stewarts back
to the old High Stewards of Scotland, with links further back in time.
Allan M. Andersen.
Renia Simmonds
by M.J.M.S. Stewart. Worksop, 1890, broadside.
(Source: The Genealogists' Guide, by Marshall)
I don't know where you will find this, of course. Hope this helps.
Renia
Henry Soszynski
>Dear everybody.
>
>I would like to ask You a question: Does anybody know the origin of John
>Stewart of Castlemilk, whose daughter married Robert Lyle, from which
>married couple I think there came a danish branch - the Leyel Family. He
>should according to Stuart of Torrance, an old genealogist be a
>descendant of the Darnley branch of the Stewarts, he had a son called
>William, so perhaps his father was one too. Can there be found an
>alternative William Stuart as father to John of Castlemilk Stewart.
>Where is Castlemilk Castle situated, and were there any other Stewarts
>(and Willam Stewart) close to this place in about, lets say 1400. It
>would be preferable to find the link from the Castlemilk Stewarts back
>to the old High Stewards of Scotland, with links further back in time.
>
>Allan M. Andersen.
>
>mar...@post8.tele.dk
>
hold your nose while playing with the following....
John Stewart of Bonkyl +1298 father of..
John Stewart of Jedworth +1333
Unknown
Unknown
William Stewart
Matthew Stewart + bef 1475
William Stewart +1495
Alexander Stewart +1523 ancestor of the Baronets Stewart created 1668 extinct
1797
Hope this little bit helps.
Cheers,Henry
Brent Miller
>
> Dear everybody.
>
> I would like to ask You a question: Does anybody know the origin of John
> Stewart of Castlemilk, whose daughter married Robert Lyle, from which
> married couple I think there came a danish branch - the Leyel Family. He
> should according to Stuart of Torrance, an old genealogist be a
> descendant of the Darnley branch of the Stewarts, he had a son called
> William, so perhaps his father was one too. Can there be found an
> alternative William Stuart as father to John of Castlemilk Stewart.
> Where is Castlemilk Castle situated, and were there any other Stewarts
> (and Willam Stewart) close to this place in about, lets say 1400. It
> would be preferable to find the link from the Castlemilk Stewarts back
> to the old High Stewards of Scotland, with links further back in time.
>
> Allan M. Andersen.
>
> mar...@post8.tele.dk
The following is from a 1792 chart (Brown, John, "An Historical and
Genealogical Tree of the Royal Family of Scotland"), a copy of which I
bought at Traquair House in Scotland:
Alexander, 6th High Steward, d. 1283, m. Jean, dau. of Angus, L. of Bute
Sir John Stewart of Bonkill, d. 1298, Falkirk, m. Margaret, dau. and
heir of Sir Alexander de Bonkill
Sir Allan Stewart of Dreghorn, d. 1333, Hallidon Hill, m.
Sir Alexander Stewart of Crookston and Darnly, m. Janet, dau. of Sir
William Keith
Sir William Stewart, Sheriff of Tiviatdale, m.
Sir William Stewart of Castlemilk, m.
Sir David Stuart of Castlemilk, m.
Archibald Stuart of Castlemilk, m.
William Stuart of Castlemilk, m. Marion Norvel, heiress of Cardonald
Alexander Stuart of Castlemilk, m.
Archibald Stuart of Castlemilk, m. Margaret Maxwell of Newark
Sir David Stuart of Castlemilk, m. Jean, dau. of Craigends
Sir Archibald Stuart of Castlemilk, m. Janet, dau. of Sir James Stewart
of Minto
Sir Archibald Stuart of Castlemilk, m. Anne, dau. of Robert, L. Semple
Sir Archibald Stuart of Castlemilk, m. Mary, dau. of John, E. of Wigton
Sir Archibald Stuart of Castlemilk, m. Mary, dau. of L. Carmichael
Sir William Stuart of Castlemilk, m. Margaret, dau. of John Crawford of
Milton
Sir Archibald Stuart of Castlemilk, m. Frances, dau. of James Stirling
Anne Stuart, heiress of Castlemilk, m. Sir John Stuart of Castlemilk, d.
1797 (see below)
Sir William Stuart of Castlemilk (see above), m. Margaret, dau. of John
Crawford of Milton
Sir John Stuart of Castlemilk, m. Helen, dau of John Orr of Borrowfield
Sir John Stuart of Castlemilk, d. 1797, m. Anne Stuart, heiress of
Castlemilk (see above)
Brent Miller
Brent Miller
Suzanne Doig
wrote:
>The following is from a 1792 chart (Brown, John, "An Historical and
>Genealogical Tree of the Royal Family of Scotland"), a copy of which I
>bought at Traquair House in Scotland:
>
>Alexander, 6th High Steward, d. 1283, m. Jean, dau. of Angus, L. of Bute
>Sir John Stewart of Bonkill, d. 1298, Falkirk, m. Margaret, dau. and
>heir of Sir Alexander de Bonkill
>Sir Allan Stewart of Dreghorn, d. 1333, Hallidon Hill, m.
>Sir Alexander Stewart of Crookston and Darnly, m. Janet, dau. of Sir
>William Keith
>Sir William Stewart, Sheriff of Tiviatdale, m.
>Sir William Stewart of Castlemilk, m.
>Sir David Stuart of Castlemilk, m.
>Archibald Stuart of Castlemilk, m.
>William Stuart of Castlemilk, m. Marion Norvel, heiress of Cardonald
>Alexander Stuart of Castlemilk, m.
>Archibald Stuart of Castlemilk, m. Margaret Maxwell of Newark
>Sir David Stuart of Castlemilk, m. Jean, dau. of Craigends
>Sir Archibald Stuart of Castlemilk, m. Janet, dau. of Sir James Stewart
>of Minto
>Sir Archibald Stuart of Castlemilk, m. Anne, dau. of Robert, L. Semple
<snip>
I can't comment on the source, but this differs in some respects from
the line posted here some time ago (by whom, I can't remember),
derived from the 'Stewart Clan Magazine' of November 1927. I don't
think it linked John Stewart back to the Bonkyl line:
Sir John Stewart of Castlemilk
|
Sir William Stewart of Castlemilk
|
Matthew Stewart of Cassilton and Castlemilk (3rd son) d.c. 1475
~~
The less than reliable Burke's Landed Gentry gives from here on:
Matthew Stewart of Cassilton and Castlemilk d.c. 1475
|
William Stewart of Cassilton d.c.1495 = Marion Norvel of Cardonald
|
Alexander Stewart of Castlemilk d.c.1523 = Margaret Stewart of Minto *
|
Archibald Stewart of Castlemilk d.c.1541 = Margaret Maxwell
|
Archibald Stewart of Castlemilk d. 1532/41
|
David Stewart of Castlemilk d.c. 1557 = Janet Cuninghame (dau of
William Cuninghame, 2nd Laird of Craigends and Giles Campbell of
Loudoun)
|
Archibald Stewart of Castlemilk d.1612 = Janet Stewart of Minto
|
V
~~
The Stewart of Minto line was also related, according to BLG:
John Stewart =
Margaret Bonkyl
__________|________________
| |
Alan Stewart Walter Stewart
of Darnley of Dalswinton ?
| | |
Alexander Stewart Walter Stewart John Stewart
of Darnley of Dalswinton of Castlemilk
| | |
Alexander Stewart of | William Stewart
Darnley = NN Turnbull | of Castlemilk
| | |
William Stewart ========Marion Stewart Walter Stewart
of Minto | of Arthurlie (4th son)
| |
William Stewart Walter Stewart
of Dalswinton = of Arthurlie =
Elizabeth Douglas Janet Cameron
| |
Thomas Stewart ================= Isabel Stewart
of Minto | of Arthurlie
|
|
Margaret Stewart of Minto *
= Alexander Stewart of
Castlemilk d.c.1523
~~
Suzanne
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Brent Miller
>
> The Stewart of Minto line was also related, according to BLG:
>
> John Stewart =
> Margaret Bonkyl
> __________|________________
> | |
> Alan Stewart Walter Stewart
> of Darnley of Dalswinton ?
> | | |
> Alexander Stewart Walter Stewart John Stewart
> of Darnley of Dalswinton of Castlemilk
> | | |
> Alexander Stewart of | William Stewart
> Darnley = NN Turnbull | of Castlemilk
> | | |
> William Stewart ========Marion Stewart Walter Stewart
> of Minto | of Arthurlie (4th son)
> | |
> William Stewart Walter Stewart
> of Dalswinton = of Arthurlie =
> Elizabeth Douglas Janet Cameron
> | |
> Thomas Stewart ================= Isabel Stewart
> of Minto | of Arthurlie
> |
> |
> Margaret Stewart of Minto *
> = Alexander Stewart of
> Castlemilk d.c.1523
> ~~
>
> Suzanne
>
Here is what the chart shows on the Minto line:
Sir John Stewart, d. 1298, Falkirk, m. Margaret, dau. and heir of
Alexander de Bonkill
Sir Allan Stewart of Dreghorn, d. 1333, Halbidon Hill, m.
Sir Alexander Stuart of Crookston and Darnly, m. Janet, dau. of Sir
William Keith
Sir William Stewart, Sheriff of Tiviotdale, m.
Sir John Stewart of Jedworth, m. Marion Stewart, heiress of Dalswinton
(see below)
Sir John Stewart, d. 1298, (see above) m. Margaret, dau. and heir of
Alexander de Bonkill
Sir Walter Stewart of Dalswinton, m.
John Stewart of Dalswinton, m.
Walter Stewart of Dalswinton, m.
Marion Stewart, heiress of Dalswinton, (see above) m. Sir John Stewart
of Jedworth
Sir William Stewart of Dalsinton and Garlies, m.
Sir Thomas Stewart of Minto, m. Isabel Stewart (no indication of
lineage, also, no Margaret shown as a child of this union)
Sir John of Minto, d. 1513, Flodden, m. Janet, dau. of L. Fleming
Sir Robert of Minto, m. Janet Murray of Polmaise
Sir John Stewart of Minto, m. Mary Stewart of Cardonald
Sir Mathew Stewart of Minto, m. Janet Stuart, dau. of Alexander Tutor
Stuart of Castlemilk (see previous post)
Sir John Stewart of Minto, (see above) m. Mary Stewart of Cardonald
Janet, m. Sir Archibald Stuart of Castlemilk (see previous post)
Sir John Stewart of Minto, (see above) m. Mary Stewart of Cardonald
Walter, L. Blantyre, m. Nicolas, dau. of Sir James Somervel of Camnethan
William, L. Blantyre, m. Helen, dau. of Sir William Scott of Ardrofs
Walter, L. Blantyre, (see above) m. Nicolas, dau. of Sir James Somervel
of Camnethan
Walter Stewart, m.
Frances Stewart, m. Charles, D of Lennox
etc.
This might help you evaluate the reliability of the source.
Brent Miller
Suzanne Doig
>
>> I would like to ask You a question: Does anybody know the origin of John
>> Stewart of Castlemilk, whose daughter married Robert Lyle, from which
>> married couple I think there came a danish branch - the Leyel Family. He
>> should according to Stuart of Torrance, an old genealogist be a
>> descendant of the Darnley branch of the Stewarts, he had a son called
>> William, so perhaps his father was one too. Can there be found an
>> alternative William Stuart as father to John of Castlemilk Stewart.
>> Where is Castlemilk Castle situated, and were there any other Stewarts
>> (and Willam Stewart) close to this place in about, lets say 1400. It
>> would be preferable to find the link from the Castlemilk Stewarts back
>> to the old High Stewards of Scotland, with links further back in time.
I finally found the old newsgroup post which gave some information on
this line - I hope Jared doesn't mind if I repost it. It is archived
at <http://www.deja.com/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=429293563> for those
who want to look at the whole thread. As I thought, he disconnected
the Castlemilk line from the Darnley line.
From: ardg...@juno.com (Jared L Olar)
Subject: Re: STEWART of Arthurlie
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On Mon, 04 Jan 1999 03:50:14 GMT smd49@*!*csc.canterbury.ac.nz
(Suzanne
Doig) writes:
>Does anyone have an ancestry or further information on:
>Sir Walter STEWART of Arthurlie
>
>His daughter and co-heir Elizabeth STEWART married on 29 January 1484
>William CUNINGHAME, 1st Laird of Craigends (2nd son of Alexander de
>CUNYNGHAME, 1st Earl of Gelncairn; died before 19 June 1520; married
>2) in 1496/1498 Marion AUCHINLECK).
>
>Suzanne
Hi Suzanne. The Nov. 1927 issue of _Stewart Clan Magazine_ (published
by George Thomas Edson) included a genealogical abstract derived from
_A Genealogical History of the Stewarts_, 1798, by Andrew Stuart of
Torrance'. A caveat about this book: Andrew Stuart of Torrance
wrongly sought to claim that Stewart of Castlemilk (of whom Stuart of
Torrance was a cadet) was the senior legitimate male branch of the
Stewarts. But in order to build a case, Stuart garbled the early
generations of the Stewarts of Darnley, the Stewarts of Castlemilk,
as well as the early generations of the Stewarts of Garlies, who are
(it appears) the real senior legitimate male branch of the family. I
mention this to illustrate that Stuart of Torrance's book does have
(as you'd expect) several flaws and errors.
That being said, here is what Edson copied out of Stuart of Torrance's
book:
SIR WILLIAM STEWART of Castlemilk, wrongly identified by Stuart as the
William Stewart who was killed in Feb. 1429 during the siege of
Orleans. But that William died sine prole, and belonged to the
Darnley branch. (William Stewart of Castlemilk was, it would appear,
the son of that Sir John Stewart of Castlemilk whose daughter
Elizabeth Stewart married Sir Robert Lyle of Duchal and became the
mother of the 1st. Lord Lyle. But on this point Stuart was again in
error--he claimed that Elizabeth was daughter of this William, whereas
she was instead William's younger sister.)
WALTER STEWART of Arthurly, fourth son of Sir William Stewart of
Castlemilk. No wife shown.
WALTER STEWART of Arthurly, son of Walter Stewart of Arthurly.
Married Janet Cameron, and had two daughters (no sons) , his
coheiresses, ISABEL STEWART and ELIZABETH STEWART. Isabel married
Stewart of Minto, a cadet of Stewart of Garlies, and Elizabeth married
Cunynghame of Craigends.
Hope that helps.
Jared Olar
raymond l montgomery
so which of these two pedigrees are correct.
is it the first as shown by brent or the second as shown by Suzanne.
if it is the first which is the william of castlemilk that is shown as
the father of Walter Stewart of Arthurlie grand father of Isabel stewart
that married Sir Thomas Stewart of Dalwinton
Sincerely
RAY
On Thu, 22 Jul 1999 05:57:41 GMT smd49@*!*its.canterbury.ac.nz (Suzanne
Doig) writes:
>On Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:52:25 -0600, Brent Miller <jbmi...@micron.net>
>wrote:
>
>>The following is from a 1792 chart (Brown, John, "An Historical and
>>Genealogical Tree of the Royal Family of Scotland"), a copy of which
>I
>>bought at Traquair House in Scotland:
>>
>>Alexander, 6th High Steward, d. 1283, m. Jean, dau. of Angus, L. of
>Bute
>>Sir John Stewart of Bonkill, d. 1298, Falkirk, m. Margaret, dau. and
>>heir of Sir Alexander de Bonkill
>>Sir Allan Stewart of Dreghorn, d. 1333, Hallidon Hill, m.
>>William Keith
>>Sir William Stewart, Sheriff of Tiviatdale, m.
>>Sir William Stewart of Castlemilk, m.
>>Sir David Stuart of Castlemilk, m.
>>Archibald Stuart of Castlemilk, m.
>>William Stuart of Castlemilk, m. Marion Norvel, heiress of Cardonald
>>Alexander Stuart of Castlemilk, m.
>>Archibald Stuart of Castlemilk, m. Margaret Maxwell of Newark
>>Sir David Stuart of Castlemilk, m. Jean, dau. of Craigends
>>Sir Archibald Stuart of Castlemilk, m. Janet, dau. of Sir James
>Stewart
>>of Minto
>>Sir Archibald Stuart of Castlemilk, m. Anne, dau. of Robert, L.
>Semple
><snip>
>
>I can't comment on the source, but this differs in some respects from
>the line posted here some time ago (by whom, I can't remember),
>derived from the 'Stewart Clan Magazine' of November 1927. I don't
>think it linked John Stewart back to the Bonkyl line:
>
> |
> |
>Matthew Stewart of Cassilton and Castlemilk (3rd son) d.c. 1475
>
>~~
>
>The less than reliable Burke's Landed Gentry gives from here on:
>
>Matthew Stewart of Cassilton and Castlemilk d.c. 1475
> |
>William Stewart of Cassilton d.c.1495 = Marion Norvel of Cardonald
> |
>Alexander Stewart of Castlemilk d.c.1523 = Margaret Stewart of Minto *
> |
>Archibald Stewart of Castlemilk d.c.1541 = Margaret Maxwell
> |
>Archibald Stewart of Castlemilk d. 1532/41
> |
>David Stewart of Castlemilk d.c. 1557 = Janet Cuninghame (dau of
>William Cuninghame, 2nd Laird of Craigends and Giles Campbell of
>Loudoun)
> |
>Archibald Stewart of Castlemilk d.1612 = Janet Stewart of Minto
> |
> V
>~~
>
>
> John Stewart =
> Margaret Bonkyl
> __________|________________
> | |
> Alan Stewart Walter Stewart
> of Darnley of Dalswinton ?
> | | |
> Alexander Stewart Walter Stewart John Stewart
> of Darnley of Dalswinton of Castlemilk
> | | |
> Alexander Stewart of | William Stewart
> Darnley = NN Turnbull | of Castlemilk
> | | |
> William Stewart ========Marion Stewart Walter Stewart
> of Minto | of Arthurlie
>(4th son)
> | |
> William Stewart Walter Stewart
> of Dalswinton = of Arthurlie =
> Elizabeth Douglas Janet Cameron
> | |
> Thomas Stewart ================= Isabel Stewart
> of Minto | of Arthurlie
> |
> |
> Margaret Stewart of Minto *
> = Alexander Stewart of
> Castlemilk d.c.1523
>~~
>
>Suzanne
>
> Suzanne Doig - remove obvious from reply-to address
>http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/4038/index.html
>
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Suzanne Doig
montgomery) wrote:
>Dr. Suzanne and brent and Et al
>so which of these two pedigrees are correct.
>is it the first as shown by brent or the second as shown by Suzanne.
Sorry Ray, I don't know, I'm just reposting information which others
have been kind enough to share with me.
>if it is the first which is the william of castlemilk that is shown as
>the father of Walter Stewart of Arthurlie grand father of Isabel stewart
>that married Sir Thomas Stewart of Dalwinton
Could you clarify this a bit? I show him as 4th son of Sir John
Stewart of Castlemilk, whose origins are unknown (to me, anyway). The
information given by Jared Olar suggested that some sources had tried
to connect William to the Stewarts of DArnley, but that the connection
didn't stack up.
sde...@bigpond.com
Castlemilk 1425-1496 with conflicting spouses.
It would be great if anyone could help me this.
Thanks Sharon Dent
Peter Stewart
> I’m having trouble with William Stewart of
> Castlemilk 1425-1496 with conflicting spouses.
> It would be great if anyone could help me this.
others before and after his time - he married before 1466 Isabella
Norvall, heiress of Cardonald, and they had two sons: Alexander the
elder left descendants, and John the younger did not.
I can't vouch for this information from contemporary sources.
Peter Stewart