NESTA of Wales
David Yale
The information I have indicates Nesta had sonsby Henry I named Fitz
Henry, then married Gerald Fitz Walter (aka Gerald de Windsor) and had
several sons by him, then after his death married Stephen (the Castellan?).
One of my next projects is confirming this information and seeing what I
can find out about Nesta, if anyone has a good source let me know.
David Yale
dcy...@iconn.net
http://www.iconn.net/dcyale
David Yale
>Deheubarth. I apologize for not being able to create an acutal link for
>you, but you might try the following:
>http://www.hull.ac.uk/cgi-bin/genlkup/n=royal?royal01391
>
Does anyone else have trouble trying this URL?
COMSTOCK, Lisa
Family tradition believes that my family may have also descended from
Henry I, but the connection is not yet clear. My own research has turned
up a couple of references to Nesta verch Rhys of Wales, Princess of
you, but you might try the following:
http://www.hull.ac.uk/cgi-bin/genlkup/n=royal?royal01391
This particular website is for Henry I, but has links to all his wives,
associations, and children. I counted 29 children from his various
women....
Good luck in your search.
Lisa COMSTOCK
--
Lisa
David:
Try:
http://www.hull.ac.uk/cgi-bin/genlkup/n=royal?royal01391
This is the Hull University listing for Henry I and his family, but
there are links to information about Nesta. I haven't found a lot of
information about her myself, and I always get "Server Down" messages
when I try to research her though the serch engines.
Good luck!!
Lisa
Roger, Carolyn or Randy Winch
Try http://www.dcs.hull.ac.uk/cgi-bin/gedlkup/n=royal?royal01391
Randy Winch
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> From: David Yale <dcy...@ICONN.NET>
> To: GEN-ME...@MAIL.EWORLD.COM
> Subject: Re: NESTA of Wales
> Date: Saturday, January 25, 1997 12:05 PM
>
> >Deheubarth. I apologize for not being able to create an acutal link
for
> >you, but you might try the following:
> >http://www.hull.ac.uk/cgi-bin/genlkup/n=royal?royal01391
> >
Dorothy Morris
If you have access to Thomas Costain's "The Conquering Family" he has two
sections on Nesta...he says her son was Robert de Caen by Henry I, I don't
know about Fitz Henry. Robert was Henry's prominent son and was named Duke
of Gloucester. He was very helpful to his half sister, Queen Matilda in her
battle with Stephen for the loyalty of the people. He was said to be a wise
and honorable man. Costain also talks about her marriage and legitimate
children.
Edward Taaffe
In article <32EDA6...@ix.netcom.com>, "COMSTOCK, Lisa"
<SOO...@ix.netcom.com> writes
>Family tradition believes that my family may have also descended from
>Henry I, but the connection is not yet clear. My own research has turned
>up a couple of references to Nesta verch Rhys of Wales, Princess of
>you, but you might try the following:
>http://www.hull.ac.uk/cgi-bin/genlkup/n=royal?royal01391
>
>associations, and children. I counted 29 children from his various
>women....
>
>Good luck in your search.
>
>Lisa COMSTOCK
>--
-I have the following tree for Nesta, source "Norman invasion of Ireland"
Richard Roche. Source I believe was Giraldus of wales.
Rhys AP Tewdyr.
Nesta = Henry 1
Meiler Fitzhenry ...Robert Fitzhenry.......Dau. m Walter Kidelsford
Nesta = Gerald De Windsor
William FitzHenry..Maurice FitzGerald...David FitzGerald....Augherad m William
de Barri
. .
. . .
Raymond le Gros . .
.
.
Gerald............William.............Nesta m Harvey de Monte Marisco .
.
Robert de Barri....Gerald Cambrensis.........Philip de Barri......
(Gerald of Wales)
Nesta=Stephen Constable of Cardigam
.
.
Rober FitzStephen.
Not much but its a start.
Edward Taaffe
Paul R. Foote
David, you have probably had all sorts of helpful hints by this time,
but I want to add my bit too. Apparently the address was listed in
error but even when corrected, I can't get in.
An alternate way into the Directory of Royal Genealogical Data is
www.dcs.hull.ac.uk/public/genealogy/royal/catalog.html
Give it a try. Lots of good data! Paul Foote
Todd A. Farmerie
Edward Taaffe wrote:
>
> -I have the following tree for Nesta, source "Norman invasion of Ireland"
> Richard Roche. Source I believe was Giraldus of wales.
>
> Rhys AP Tewdyr.
>
> Nesta = Henry 1
I thought there was an intermediate Henry Fitz Henry in here, son of HI,
and father of Meiler.
>
> Meiler Fitzhenry ...Robert Fitzhenry.......Dau. m Walter Kidelsford
>
That should be Riddlesford (Ridelsford). There is a valid descent from
him given in Weis/Sheppard.
taf
Todd A. Farmerie
The mother of Robert is unidentified. The information regarding the
descendants of Nesta are known from the writings of her grandson, Gerald
of Wales, and I doubt a connection to such a prominant man as Robert
would have passed without notice.
taf
Richard Borthwick
(http://www.dcs.hull.ac.uk/public/genealogy/royal/catalog.html)makes Amabel
dau. of Henry fitz Henry (b. about 1103 d.1157) the wife of Walter de
Ridelsford. Turton indicates that there were two Walters, father and son. If
the account given by Tompsett is correct then Amabel was most likely the
wife of Walter I.
I W Rowlands "The Making of the March: Aspects of the Norman Settlement in
Dyfed" in *Proceedings of the Battle Abbey Conference on Anglo-Norman
Studies III* (Bury St Edmunds, 1981) edited by R Allen Brown gives a sketch
of several generations of descendants of Henry fitz Henry (p.157), but there
is no mention of Amabel or of a marriage to Walter de Ridelsford. Rowland's
sketch is as follows.
Nest # HENRY I
|
Henry f. Regis, lord of Narberth,
steward of St David's
_____________________|______________________
Robert Meiler, justiciar of
Ireland
Henry fitz Henry gets a write up in *The Complete Peerage* XI:110. In note
(d) of that page Meiler, Henry's son and heir, had a son and heir, Meiler
probably by a second marriage to a dau. of Hugh de Lacy lord of Meath. The
elder Meiler died in 1220. The note also mentions Robert as another son of
Henry fitz Henry. Robert was living in Leinster about 1180 but died shortly
after.
Is this the picture of the Ridelsford descent?
Nest # HENRY I m. Matilda
| |
Henry f. Regis, lord of Narberth, Matilda
steward of St David's |
_____________________________|___ _ _ _ _ _
Robert Meiler, justiciar of Amabel m. HENRY II # Rosamund
Ireland Walter I de de Clifford
Ridelsford
| | |
Meiler Walter II de William Longespee
Ridelsford
| |
Emmeline de m. Stephen Longespee
Ridelsford
Todd A. Farmerie
Richard Borthwick wrote:
>
> Brian Tompsett's Directory of Royal Genealogical Data
> (http://www.dcs.hull.ac.uk/public/genealogy/royal/catalog.html)makes Amabel
> dau. of Henry fitz Henry (b. about 1103 d.1157) the wife of Walter de
> Ridelsford. Turton indicates that there were two Walters, father and son. If
> the account given by Tompsett is correct then Amabel was most likely the
> wife of Walter I.
That is how it is shown in Weis/Sheppard
> Is this the picture of the Ridelsford descent?
[Note, this chart did not come through right on my system, a common
problem with posted charts.)
This is correct, except for one connection:
>HENRY II # Rosamund
> de Clifford
> |
>William Longespee
Rosamund was not mother of William Longespee. This has long been
known. More recently, charter evidence has been produced in which
William calls his mother "Countess Ida", who has been identified with
the wife of Roger Bigod, Earl of Norfolk.
taf
Carole Patton
Todd A. Farmerie wrote:
> This is correct, except for one connection:
>
> >HENRY II # Rosamund
> > de Clifford
> > |
> >William Longespee
>
> Rosamund was not mother of William Longespee. This has long been
> known. More recently, charter evidence has been produced in which
> William calls his mother "Countess Ida", who has been identified with
> the wife of Roger Bigod, Earl of Norfolk.
This is interesting. Can someone cite this or other evidence to shed
some light on this long-standing question?
Carole
Douglas Burbury
Edward Taaffe <broo...@brooklawn.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>Family tradition believes that my family may have also descended from
>>Henry I, but the connection is not yet clear. My own research has turned
>>up a couple of references to Nesta verch Rhys of Wales, Princess of
>>Deheubarth. I apologize for not being able to create an acutal link for
>>you, but you might try the following:
>>http://www.hull.ac.uk/cgi-bin/genlkup/n=royal?royal01391
>>
>>This particular website is for Henry I, but has links to all his wives,
>>associations, and children. I counted 29 children from his various
>>women....
On his page, Brian Tompsett says that the sources are unclear who was
the mother of which child.
Is there any consensus on who was the mother of Henry's son Robert of
Caen, Earl of Gloucester?
Douglas Burbury
dbur...@vision.net.au
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