Simon fitz Uchtred

[Doug Smith]

Keats-Rohan on page 879 of Domesday Descendants says that Simon fitz
Uchtred was the ancestor of the Hebden family. Does anyone know the
connection?

Thanks

Doug

[R Phair]

Doug Smith asked what was the link between Simon son of Uctred and the
Hebden family?

The following is from Clay's accounts of the family [1] -- Simon son of
Uctred (living 1200-1) was succeeded by his son William de Hebden
(sometimes called William de Conistone). William occurs in records (as
an adult) possibly as early as the reign of king John, was constable of
Skipton and steward of the count of Aumale, and died 1231-4. His heir
was his daughter Helen who had married by 1234 Robert the chamberlain
(living 1235), and later married Nicholas of York (brother of William
of York, bishop of Salisbury, 1247-56). Her heir was a younger son,
William of York, who was an adult in 1268, and died 1281-2. He left a
widow Cecily and a minor son William of York (b. c1264). The son, later
known as William de Hebden, had succeeded by 1286, and was living in
1316. Besides land in Hebden, he held lands in Burnsall, Conistone,
Eske in Holderness, and Ilton, all in Yorkshire. His descendants
continued in the male line to the 15th c., when the lands passed by
marriage to the Tempest and Dymoke families.

Clay has also traced Simon's ancestry. His father Uctred son of Dolfin,
also known as Uctred de Ilton or Uctred de Conistone, was granted the
manor of Hebden (after 1137), as well as his grandfather Gospatric's
land in Ilton (1138-?1145), by Roger de Mowbray [2,1]. Uctred was a
tenant of the honor of Skipton (including Burnsall) in 1166, and still
living in 1179 [3,1]. His grandfather Gospatric was a tenant in Ilton
of count Alan in the Domesday survey, and a tenant-in-chief elsewhere
in Yorkshire [4]. Gospatric's father Archil (son of Ecgfrith) had held
some of these lands before the Conquest [4,5,1]. Through his mother
Sigrid, Gospatric was a descendant of Ealdun, bishop of
Chester-le-Street and Durham 990-1018 [5].

[1] "Early Yorkshire charters", v.7 (1947), ed. C.T. Clay, pp.248-251,
and nos.92-3, etc.; C. Clay, "Early Yorkshire families", 1973,
pp.42-3, 87-8, and no.13.
[2] "Mowbray charters", ed. D.E. Greenway, 1972, nos.392-5.
[3] "The red book of the exchequer", ed. H. Hall, 1896, 1:431.
[4] "Domesday Book", v.30, ed. M.L. Faull and M. Stinson, 2v, 1986,
5.117, and section 39.
[6] C.J. Morris, "Marriage and murder in eleventh-century Northumbria:
a
study of 'De Obsessione Dunelmi'", 1992; see my 18 Aug 2001
posting.

Ray Phair

[Joema...@aol.com]

In a message dated 6/17/02 12:25:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
rwp...@myfastmail.com writes:

<<
The following is from Clay's accounts of the family [1] -- Simon son of
Uctred (living 1200-1) was succeeded by his son William de Hebden
(sometimes called William de Conistone). William occurs in records (as
an adult) possibly as early as the reign of king John, was constable of
Skipton and steward of the count of Aumale, and died 1231-4. His heir
was his daughter Helen who had married by 1234 Robert the chamberlain
(living 1235), and later married Nicholas of York (brother of William
of York, bishop of Salisbury, 1247-56). Her heir was a younger son,
William of York, who was an adult in 1268, and died 1281-2. He left a
widow Cecily and a minor son William of York (b. c1264). The son, later
known as William de Hebden, had succeeded by 1286, and was living in
1316. Besides land in Hebden, he held lands in Burnsall, Conistone,
Eske in Holderness, and Ilton, all in Yorkshire. His descendants
continued in the male line to the 15th c., when the lands passed by
marriage to the Tempest and Dymoke families.
>>

Hi Group:

Does anyone in the group have the descent from William de Hebden, above
who was living in 1316, to Elizabeth Hebden, wife of Sir Thomas Dymoke, (d.
1422)?

Thank you very much for your help?

Joan Burdyck

[Robert S Baxter]

>.... as William de Hebden, had succeeded by 1286, and was living in

> 1316. Besides land in Hebden, he held lands in Burnsall, Conistone,
> Eske in Holderness, and Ilton, all in Yorkshire. His descendants
> continued in the male line to the 15th c., when the lands passed by
> marriage to the Tempest and Dymoke families.
> >>
>
>Hi Group:
>
> Does anyone in the group have the descent from William de Hebden, above
>who was living in 1316, to Elizabeth Hebden, wife of Sir Thomas Dymoke, (d.
>1422)?
>
> Thank you very much for your help?
>
> Joan Burdyck

Also Grace Hebden married Piers Tempest who died in 1417. She was the daughter
of Nicholas de Hebden. How does he connect? This lineage ties to Hawte Wyatt.

Bob

[Robert S Baxter]

Sorry, I goofed. The line does not connect to the Wyatts.

Bob

[Doug Smith]

rsba...@bellsouth.net (Robert S Baxter) wrote in message news:<5.1.0.14.0.200206...@pop3.norton.antivirus>...

> Sorry, I goofed. The line does not connect to the Wyatts.
>
> Bob

Thanks all!

Doug