New royal line of descent for the James River Harrisons of Virginia
Christine Czarnecki
Here is a new line of royal descent for the James River Harrisons, of "Berkeley," "Brandon," "Clifton," etc. This line includes the two U.S. presidents, William Henry Harrison and his grandson, Benjamin Harrison (of the "Berkeley" line) and Benjamin Harrison V, one of the signers of the Declaration of Independence and Governor of Virginia.
In addition to this new one, there are several established royal descents for the "Berkeley" Harrisons, one through Sarah Ludlow, wife of Col. John Carter of "Corotoman" and mother of Robert "King Carter. The other well established royal descent for the "Berkeley" Harrisons is though the line of Abigail Smith, wife of Col. Lewis Burwell, Jr. Their daughter, Elizabeth Burwell, married Benjamin Harrison III.
This is from the new 2009 edition of _Ancestors of American Presidents_ by Gary Boyd Roberts. pp 27 and 320-321.
Royal Descent of William Henry Harrison and Benjamin Harrison through the Immigrant Benjamin Harrison (I)
This lineage is listed as probable but not yet proven.
1. Edward I, King of England, d. 1307 = Eleanor of Castile
2. Joan (Plantagenet) of Acre = Gilbert de Clare, 3rd Earl of Gloucester, 7th Earl of Hertford
3. Margaret de Clare = Hugh de Audley, 1st Earl of Gloucester
4. Margaret de Audley = Ralph Stafford, 1st Earl of Stafford
5. Hugh Stafford, 2nd Earl of Stafford = Philippa Beauchamp
6. Margaret Stafford = Ralph Neville, 1st Earl of Westmoreland
7. Margaret Neville = Richard Scrope, 3rd Baron Scrope of Bolton
8. Henry Scrope, 4th Baron Scrope of Bolton = Elizabeth Scrope
9. Margaret Scrope = John Bernard
10. John Bernard = Margaret Daundelyn
11. John Bernard = Cecily Muscote
12. Francis Bernard = Alice Haselwood
13. Elizabeth Bernard = Thomas Harrison of Gobion’s Manor, Northamptonshire
14. Benjamin Harrison, (I) almost certainly of VA = Mary ______
15. Benjamin Harrison, Jr. (II) = Hannah _______
16. Benjamin Harrison (III) = Elizabeth Burwell
17. Benjamin Harrison (IV) = Anne Carter
18. Benjamin Harrison (V), signer of the Declaration of Independence = Elizabeth Bassett
19. William Henry Harrison (1773 – 1841), 9th U.S. President = Anna Tuthill Symmes
20. John Scott Harrison = Elizabeth Ramsey Irwin
21. Benjamin Harrison (1833-1901), 23rd U.S. President = (1) Caroline Lavinia Scott, (2) Mrs. Mary Scott Lord Dimmick
Sources: the Royal Descents of 600 Immigrants to the American Colonies or the Untied States, 2008 Edition, by Gary Boyd Roberts
The link between Benjamin Harrison (I) the Immigrant to Thomas Harrison of Gobion’s Manor and Elizabeth Bernard is listed as probable by Roberts, but he doesn't explain why.
I don't have access to the 2008 Edition of Royal Descents, so I can't check Roberts' sources. I can't locate it in a library for Inter Library Loan; it's always in the reference section and does not circulate.
I wrote to Roberts about this line a couple of months ago, but I have not received a response.
When I posted this on the Plantagenet list, Kevin Bradford referred me to the Northamptonshire Visitations. I took a look at it (thank you, Google Book Search), but it just covers the Bernards down to the list of the daughters of Francis Bernard, which includes the unmarried Elizabeth.
Does anyone know of any sources regarding gen. 13, Elizabeth Bernard and Thomas Harrison of Gobion's Manor?
Evaluation of this line and its sources would be welcome.
wjho...@aol.com
Christine would you please give a portion of the royal ascent from Abigail Smith, backwards-in-time ? I assume this goes through her mother Martha Bacon? But I don't have any royal ascent for Martha yet.
Thanks
Will Johnson
The other well established royal
descent for the "Berkeley" Harrisons is though the line of Abigail Smith, wife
of Col. Lewis Burwell, Jr. Their daughter, Elizabeth Burwell, married Benjamin
Harrison III.
20. John Scott Harrison ==2
0Elizabeth Ramsey Irwin
21. Benjamin Harrison (1833-1901), 23rd U.S. President = (1) Caroline Lavinia
Scott, (2) Mrs. Mary Scott Lord Dimmick
Sources: the Royal Descents of 600 Immigrants to the American Colonies or the
Untied States, 2008 Edition, by Gary Boyd Roberts
The link between Benjamin Harrison (I) the Immigrant to Thomas Harrison of
Gobion’s Manor and Elizabeth Bernard is listed as probable by Roberts, but he
doesn't explain why.
I don't have access to the 2008 Edition of Royal Descents, so I can't check
Roberts' sources. I can't locate it in a library for Inter Library Loan; it's
always in the reference section and does not circulate.
I wrote to Roberts about this line a couple of months ago, but I have not
received a response.
When I posted this on the Plantagenet list, Kevin Bradford referred me to the
Northamptonshire Visitations. I took a look at it (thank you, Google Book
Search), but it just covers the Bernards down to the list of the daughters of
Francis Bernard, which includes the unmarried Elizabeth.
Does anyone know of any sources regarding gen. 13, Elizabeth Bernard and Thomas
Harrison of Gobion's Manor?
Evaluation of this line and its sources would be welcome.
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Christine Czarnecki
W. H. and Benjamin Harrison Through Mrs. Abigail Smith Burwell
1. Louis IV, King of France (probable grandson maternally of Edward the Elder, King of England) = Gerberga, daughter of Henry I the Fowler, German Emperor
2. Charles, Duke of Lower Lorraine = Adelaide --
3. Adelaide of Lower Lorraine = Albert I, Count of Namur
4. Albert II, Count of Namur = Regelinde of Lower Lorraine
5. Albert III, Count of Namur = Ida of Saxony
6. Godfrey, Count of Namur = Sybil of Chateau-Porcien
7. Elizabeth of Namur = Gervais, Count of Rethel
8. Milicent of Rethel = (1) Robert Marmion
9. Robert Marmion = --
10. William Marmion = --
11. Geoffrey Marmion = Rosamund --
12. William Marmion = Matilda (le Justice?)
13. John Marmion = Margery de Nottingham
14. Thomas Marmion = Agnes --
15. Alice Marmion = William Harlyngrugge
16. Cecilia Harlingrugge = John Rede
17. Joan Rede = Walter Cotton
18.William Cotton = Alice Abbott
19. Edmund Cotton = Alice Conyers
20. George Cotton = Jane Goldingham
21. Elizabeth Cotton = Francis Bacon
22. Elizabeth Bacon = Sir James Bacon, a cousin, son (by Margaret Rawlings) of James Bacon, brother of Sir Nicholas Bacon, Lord Keeper and Lord Chancellor, husband of Jane Cooke)
23. James Bacon = (1) -- -- (by whom he was the father of Acting Gov. Nathaniel Bacon of Va.); (2) Martha Woodward
24. (by 2) Martha Bacon = Anthony Smith
25. Abigail Smith of Va. = Lewis Burwell, Jr.
26. Elizabeth Burwell = Benjamin Harrison (III)
27. Benjamin Harrison (IV) of "Berkeley" = Anne Carter, daughter of Robert "King" Carter of "Corotoman and his second wife, Elizabeth Landon
28. Benjamin Harrison (V), signer of the Declaration of Independence = Elizabeth Bassett, granddaughter of 26. Joanna Burwell, sister of Elizabeth (Burwell) Harrison above
29. William Henry Harrison, 9th U.S. President = Anna Tuthill Symmes
30. John Scott Harrison = Elizabeth Ramsey Irwin
31. Benjamin Harrison, 23rd U.S. President = (1) Caroline Lavinia Scott; (2) Mrs. Mary Scott Dimmick
Gary Boyd Roberts cites his sources as RD600 (2008): 560-61, 842-43.
He cites himself, but since I don't have the 2008 Edition of Royal Descents, I can't look up what he actually uses.
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Subject: Re: New royal line of descent for the James River Harrisons of Virginia
Christine would you please give a portion of the royal ascent from Abigail Smith, backwards-in-time ? I assume this goes through her mother Martha Bacon? But I don't have any royal ascent for Martha yet.
Thanks
Will Johnson
The other well established royal
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>descent for the "Berkeley" Harrisons is though the line of Abigail Smith, wife
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>of Col. Lewis Burwell, Jr. Their daughter, Elizabeth Burwell, married Benjamin
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>Harrison III.
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Sent: Thu, Sep 24, 2009 11:12 pm
Subject: New royal line of descent for the James River Harrisons of Virginia
I would like comments about this line and an evaluation of its sources.
Here is a new line of royal descent for the James River Harrisons, of
"Berkeley," "Brandon," "Clifton," etc. This line includes the two U.S.
presidents, William Henry Harrison and his grandson, Benjamin Harrison (of the
"Berkeley" line) and Benjamin Harrison V, one of the signers of the Declaration
of Independence and Governor of Virginia.
In addition to this new one, there are several established royal descents for
the "Berkeley" Harrisons, one through Sarah Ludlow, wife of Col. John Carter of
"Corotoman" and mother of Robert "King Carter. The other well established royal
descent for the "Berkeley" Harrisons is though the line of Abigail Smith, wife
of Col. Lewis Burwell, Jr. Their daughter, Elizabeth Burwell, married Benjamin
Harrison III.
Immigrant Benjamin Harrison (I)
Earl of Hertford
Bassett
Symmes
20. John Scott Harrison = Elizabeth Ramsey Irwin
21. Benjamin Harrison (1833-1901), 23rd U.S. President = (1) Caroline Lavinia
Scott, (2) Mrs. Mary Scott Lord Dimmick
Sources: the Royal Descents of 600 Immigrants to the American Colonies or the
Untied States, 2008 Edition, by Gary Boyd Roberts
The link between Benjamin Harrison (I) the Immigrant to Thomas Harrison of
Gobion’s Manor and Elizabeth Bernard is listed as probable by Roberts, but he
doesn't explain why.
I don't have access to the 2008 Edition of Royal Descents, so I can't check
Roberts' sources. I can't locate it in a library for Inter Library Loan; it's
always in the reference section and does not circulate.
I wrote to Roberts about this line a couple of months ago, but I have not
received a response.
When I posted this on the Plantagenet list, Kevin Bradford referred me to the
Northamptonshire Visitations. =2
0I took a look at it (thank you, Google Book
wjho...@aol.com
One itsy bitsy quibble right off before I digest the rest of this.
There is no one named Jane Cooke. Well I mean there probably is, but she was not married to the Lord Keeper Nicholas Bacon.
Nicholas Bacon was twice married. By his first wife Jane FERNLEY daughter of William Fernley of West Creting, co Suff he had four children, she then died sometime after 1546, but before 1558. By 1558, Nicholas had married Anne Cooke the second daughter of Anthony Cooke (d 1576) esq of Gidea Hall by his wife Anne FitzWilliam (d 1588)
By this second wife, Nicholas had more children including Francis Bacon (1561-1626) the Lord High Chancellor.
Anne Cooke herself is a Cecil 3, her sister Mildred Cooke being the second wife of William Cecil Lord Burghley. Anne Cooke is of royal descent in 13 steps. The Bacon family had no known royal ascent.
Will Johnson
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From: Christine Czarnecki <czar...@sbcglobal.net>
To: wjho...@aol.com; GEN-ME...@rootsweb.com
Sent: Fri, Sep 25, 2009 9:22 pm
Subject: Re: New royal line of descent for the James River Harrisons of Virginia
Here is what Roberts has in the 2009 Eition of _Ancestors of American
Presidents_:
W. H. and Benjamin Harrison Through Mrs. Abigail Smith Burwell
1. Louis IV, King of France (probable grandson maternally of Edward the Elder,
King of England) = Gerberga, daughter of Henry I the Fowler, German Emperor
2. Charles, Duke of Lower Lorraine ==2
0Adelaide --
Here is a new line of=2
0royal descent for the James River Harrisons, of
Christine Czarnecki
Heaven forfend! An error in a genealogy book!
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Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 9:59:28 PM
Subject: Re: New royal line of descent for the James River Harrisons of Virginia
One itsy bitsy quibble right off before I digest the rest of this.
There is no one named Jane Cooke. Well I mean there probably is, but she was not married to the Lord Keeper Nicholas Bacon.
Nicholas Bacon was twice married. By his first wife Jane FERNLEY daughter of William Fernley of West Creting, co Suff he had four children, she then died sometime after 1546, but before 1558. By 1558, Nicholas had married Anne Cooke the second daughter of Anthony Cooke (d 1576) esq of Gidea Hall by his wife Anne FitzWilliam (d 1588)
By this second wife, Nicholas had more children including Francis Bacon (1561-1626) the Lord High Chancellor.
Anne Cooke herself is a Cecil 3, her sister Mildred Cooke being the second wife of William Cecil Lord Burghley. Anne Cooke is of royal descent in 13 steps. The Bacon family had no known royal ascent.
Will Johnson
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From: Christine Czarnecki <czar...@sbcglobal.net>
To: wjho...@aol.com; GEN-ME...@rootsweb.com
Sent: Fri, Sep 25, 2009 9:22 pm
Subject: Re: New royal line of descent for the James River Harrisons of Virginia
Here is what Roberts has in the 2009 Eition of _Ancestors of American
Presidents_:
W. H. and Benjamin Harrison Through Mrs. Abigail Smith Burwell
1. Louis IV, King of France (probable grandson maternally of Edward the Elder,
King of England) = Gerberga, daughter of Henry I the Fowler, German Emperor
2. Charles, Duke of Lower Lorraine = Adelaide --
husband of Jane Cooke)
Bassett, granddaughter of 26. Joanna Burwell, sister of Elizabeth (Burwell)
Harrison above
Mrs. Mary Scott Dimmick
________________________________
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Thanks
Will Johnson
>
>
>
>Harrison III.
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From: Christine Czarnecki <czar...@sbcglobal.net>
Here is a new line of royal descent for the James River Harrisons, of
"Berkeley," "Brandon," "Clifton," etc. This line includes the two U.S.
presidents, William Henry Harrison and his grandson, Benjamin Harrison (of the
"Berkeley" line) and Benjamin Harrison V, one of the signers of the Declaration
of Independence and Governor of Virginia.
In addition to this new one, there are several established royal descents for
the "Berkeley" Harrisons, one through Sarah Ludlow, wife of Col. John Carter of
"Corotoman" and mother of Robert "King Carter. The other well established royal
descent for the=2
0"Berkeley" Harrisons is though the line of Abigail Smith, wife
of Col. Lewis Burwell, Jr. Their daughter, Elizabeth Burwell, married Benjamin
Harrison III.
This is from the new 2009 edition of _Ancestors of American Presidents_ by Gary
Boyd Roberts. pp 27 and 320-321.
Royal Descent of William Henry Harrison and Benjamin Harrison through the
Immigrant Benjamin Harrison (I)
This lineage is listed as probable but not yet proven.
1. Edward I, King of England, d. 1307 = Eleanor of Castile
2. Joan (Plantagenet) of Acre = Gilbert de Clare, 3rd Earl of Gloucester, 7th
Earl of Hertford
3. Margaret de Clare = Hugh de Audley, 1st Earl of Gloucester
4. Margaret de Audley = Ralph Stafford, 1st Earl of Stafford
5. Hugh Stafford, 2nd Earl of Stafford = Philippa Beauchamp
6. Margaret Stafford = Ralph Neville, 1st Earl of Westmoreland
7. Margaret Neville = Richard Scrope, 3rd Baron Scrope of Bolton
wjho...@aol.com
Call the guard!
Off with his head!
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Sent: Fri, Sep 25, 2009 11:18 pm
Subject: Re: New royal line of descent for the James River Harrisons of Virginia
Will Johnson
Presidents_:
husband of Jane Cooke)
Harrison above
Mrs. Mary Scott Dimmick
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0line of descent for the James River Harrisons of Virginia