Vernon -> Napton (and Longespee) -> Broughton
James Dow Allen
the Broughton family all the way back, through a Napton
family, to the Vernon Barons of Shipbrook. I've checked
many of the usual sources, but failed to find these links elsewhere.
I hope the experts of this newsgroup can comment on the
lineage. (BTW, there may be more than one family with
an "Adam de Napton", perhaps adding confusion.)
Note that, according to sources below, Roger Lord of
Broughton is son of the sister of Roger Meuland,
Bishop of Litchfield and Coventry. This Bishop Roger can
only be Roger de Longespee
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Longesp%C3%A9e
According to Wikipedia, Roger was a cousin of King Henry III,
presumably he was grandson of King Henry II.
This might mean Roger Lord of Broughton has Plantagenet blood,
and might give Plantagenet ancestry to his descendants
who otherwise lack it, e.g. John de Wydeville (ca. 1341-1403).
I'm very curious to learn what experts here make of this, or
what verifications can be done.
According to sources like "The baronetage of England"
http://books.google.com/books?id=z6W35JBfgQAC&pg=PA182
or (with a very similar title)
http://books.google.com/books?id=QS8wAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA242
1. Richard de Vernon, a. 1086
2. Hugo de Vernon, baron of Shipbrook,
m. Mathea, dau of Reginald de Balgioll,
Lord of Erdeswich and Holgreve
3. Richard de Vernon, 4th son, a. 1124
4. Adam de Napton
5. Henry de Napton, m. sister of Roger Meuland,
Bishop of Litchfield and Coventry
6. Roger, Lord of Broughton,
m. Julian de Charnes
7. Ely, m. Margaret, dau of John Bromley, Knt.
8. John
9. John
10. William
11. Thomas m. Eve, dau of Richard Grenway
12. John, Lord of Broughton
13. Thomas, m. Margaret dau of John Young
14. Richard Broughton, m. Margaret Sandford
(From here the Broughton lineage is well visible in many sources.)
James Dow Allen
John Watson
Hi James,
For what it's worth here's what ODNB has to say about Roger:
Meuland [Meuleng, Meulent, Molend], Roger de [Master Longespée] (c.
1215–1295), bishop of Coventry and Lichfield, was a kinsman of Henry
III. He is once referred to by the chronicler Matthew Paris as Master
Longespée (Paris, Chron., 5.644), prompting speculation that he was
the son of William Longespée, earl of Salisbury (d. 1226), Henry III's
uncle, but there is no supporting evidence for this and his paternity
remains uncertain. The reason why Roger was styled de Meuland
(Meuleng, Meulent, and Molend are among the variant forms of his name)
is unclear, although it probably indicates some connection with Meulon
in Normandy. Perhaps it was there that he was born or brought
up.......
D. A. Carpenter, ‘Meuland , Roger de (c.1215–1295)’, rev. Oxford
Dictionary of National Biography, Oxford University Press,
2004 ;online edn, May 2008
Regards,
John
Douglas Richardson
Roger de Meulan, Bishop of Coventry and Lichfield, was not a member of
the Longespee family as often stated in print. That is an old error
in the literature that has been repeated again and again. It is based
on a careless misreading of a Latin text by Matthew Paris.
Rather, it is clear now that Roger de Meulan was the nephew of King
Henry III of England and his brother, Richard, Earl of Cornwall. In
cases where Roger used a surname, he appears as Meulan, Meuland,
Meulent, Mulent, Meuleng, Meulinges. etc., and never as Longespee.
His exact parentage is unknown, but he appears to have been of French
origin. He had one known kinsman in England, namely William de
Seacourt, clerk, younger son of Sir William de Seacourt, of Seacourt,
Berkshire. Bishop Roger may have been William's uncle, but the
chronology suggests otherwise.
There is presumably some connection between Bishop Roger de Meulan and
Margaret de Beaumont, Countess of Leicester. Before he was bishop,
Roger was appointed to the church of Syston, Leicestershire, which
living was held in 1230, by Margaret de Beaumont, Countess of
Winchester [see Phillimore, Rotuli Hugonis de Welles Episcopi
Lincolniensis, 1209–1235, volume 2 (Lincoln Rec. Soc. 6) (1913): 315].
I've considered the possibility that Bishop Roger de Meulan was the
son of Ralph (or Raoul) de Meulan, Knt. [son and heir of Waleran de
Meulan, by Marguerite, daughter of Raoul de Fougères]. My research
indicates that Ralph de Meulan recovered the manor of Ipplepen, Devon
(his mother’s maritagium) for a time in the 1220’s. After Ralph
refused to join the king’s army in Brittany, the manor of Ipplepen was
granted by King Henry III to Nicholas de Lettres in 1230. In
consequence of a “querimonia” [complaint] in 1247, King Louis IX of
France granted Courseulles-sur-Mer and Bernières-sur-Mer in Calvados
in Aug. 1255 to Ralph and the heirs of the bodies of himself and his
wife, with reversion upon failure of such heirs to the king and his
heirs. In return Ralph quitclaimed to the king all his right, title,
and interest in Beaumont-le-Roger and Brionne.
The historian Stapleton considered that Waleran de Meulan and his
wife, Marguerite de Fougères, died without issue. See Stapleton,
Magni rotuli scaccarii Normanniae sub regibus Angliae 2 (1844):
cxcvii, et seq., which work is available at this weblink:
But I believe Stapleton is in error on that point. Even so, I note
that Revue Catholique d’Hist., d’Arch. et Lit. de Normandie, 4e année
(1894): 450 identifies Raoul de Meulan as the son of Peter de Meulan
[“fils de Pierre de Meulan”]. This Peter de Meulan was brother of
Waleran de Meulan (husband of Marguerite de Fougères).
I don't know of any evidence that Bishop Roger de Meulan had a sister
who was the wife of Henry de Napton. I do show that Bishop Roger was
absent so often from his diocese that Archbishop Peckham thought it
proper to address a mandate to him to enforce his residence. In 1284
the Archbishop appointed Elias de Napton, Archdeaon of Derby, to
assist Bishop Roger in the discharge of his functions. If Bishop
Roger de Meulan's sister truly married a Napton, perhaps Elias de
Napton who was appointed to assist him was his nephew.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Peter Stewart
"Douglas Richardson" <royala...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:6c87da00-1aaf-4759...@h25g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
<sipn>
> I've considered the possibility that Bishop Roger de Meulan was the
> son of Ralph (or Raoul) de Meulan, Knt. [son and heir of Waleran de
> Meulan, by Marguerite, daughter of Raoul de Fougères].
They had three sons (Raoul, Galien or Guy and Jean) according to Henri Moisy
in _Les de Meullent, barons de Courseulles, 1204-1453_ (Caen, 1915) p 12.
Others add a fourth son, Thomas.
<snip>
> I note that Revue Catholique d’Hist., d’Arch. et Lit. de Normandie,
> 4e année (1894): 450 identifies Raoul de Meulan as the son of Peter
> de Meulan [“fils de Pierre de Meulan”]. This Peter de Meulan was
> brother of Waleran de Meulan (husband of Marguerite de Fougères).
Peter apparently had at least one son, named Geoffrey (see _Testa de Nevill_
vol 1 p 92, "Petrus de Meulent...Galfridus filius Petri"), but there may
have been other/s as Depoin noted Peter's charter of Easter 1204 with the
consent of his wife and heirs (see _Cartulaire de Saint-Martin de Pontoise_
p 326 note 368).
Peter Stewart