Sir Thomas Vaughan (d. 1483)
tom
Has any recent research shed more light on the parents of Sir Thomas
Vaughan? A lot of contradictory opinions are expressed in the articles
below.
The National Library of Wales through it's website 'Welsh Biography
Online', states Sir Thomas Vaughan (d. 1483) was the son of Robert
Vaughan of Monmouth.
'ODNB', identifies Sir Thomas Vaughan (d. 1483) as the youngest
illegitimate son of Sir Roger Vaughan of Tretower.
'The Poetical Works of Lewis Glyn Cothi' Royal Cambrian Inst., 1837;
simply has Thomas Vaughan as the son of Sir Roger Vaughan of Tretower.
' History of the Life of Richard III' by James Gairdner, 1878 has:
"It has been commonly supposed that the Sir Thomas Vaughan put to
death by Richard III, along with Rivers and Lord Richard Grey, was Sir
Thomas Vaughan of Tretower. This is a mistake."
'Grants, Etc., from the Crown During the Reign of Edward the Fifth'
has: p. xv, [fn b.] "In the notes to the Poems of Lewis Glyn Cothi,
printed for the Cymmrodorion, ... in 1837, 8vo., the editor the Rev.
John Jones, M.A. of Christchurch, Oxford, ... and in a pedigree
identifies sir Thomas Vaughan with the son and heir of sir Roger
Vaughan of Tretower, co. Brecon, by Cicely, daughter of Thomas ab
Phylip Vychan , heiress of Talgarth, in the same county; but Johns, in
his History of Brecknockshire ... and Sir Samuel Meyrick, in his notes
to Lewis Dwnn's Visitations of Wales .... state the chamberlain of the
prince of Wales to have been the youngest illegitimate son of Sir
Roger Vaughan of Tretower, by an illegitimate daughter of a prior of
the monastery of Abergavenny... This latter account is probably to be
preferred; and if that is the case we may consider the courtier to be
the same Thomas Vaughan, an esquire for the king's body, who having
married Alianor, the widow of Thomas Browne ...."
Regards
Tom Dunn, Kilbrittain, Co. Cork, Ireland
ADRIANCH...@aol.com
td...@gofree.indigo.ie writes:
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The following PRO record would seem to prove that Thomas Vaughan late of
Tretower was the son of Robert and Margaret Vaghan:
PRO Web Page: C 1/159/64
Richard Raulyns, son and heir of Alice, late the wife of Thomas Vaughan,
knight. v. Roger Boughchier: Refusal to carry out an award by Oliver King,
secretary to the King.
KB 9/957
Returned oyer and terminer commission, Heref, before John earl of Lincoln,
William Huse, Robert Willoughby and associates at Hereford on 16 May 1486,
under commission of 11 May 1486 for all treasons, etc in Herefordshire (CPR
1485-94, 106): file, treason trials of Thomas Vaughan late of Tretower in the
Marchch of Wales and others
1 Hen VII
E 210/2694
Defeasance by John, Abbot of Westminster, and the Chapter of Llandaff of a
bond given them by Monmouth Priory ( Reynold, prior ) on condition that they
observe their ordinance for the maintenance of a chaplain to celebrate for the
good estate of Thomas Vaghan, knight, Chamberlain to the King and the Prince
of Wales, and for his soul after his death, and for the souls of Robert and
Margaret Vaghan his parents, and for the Prince of Wales : Monm.
1477.
Cheers,
Adrian
Douglas Richardson
The matter of the parentage of Sr Thomas Vaughan was discussed in
print some years ago in a brief note in National Library of Wales
Journal, 8 (1954): 349. The author of this piece made reference to
the defeasance dated 1477, which was mentioned by Adrian in his good
post. The author concluded that Sir Thomas Vaughan's parents were
Robert and Margaret, as stated by Adrian.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
jhigg...@yahoo.com
was executed in 1483 was not the son of Sir Roger Vaughan of Tretower,
it's worth noting that Sir Roger apparently did have a legitimate son
Sir Thomas of Tretower (who himself was married and had children) and
also an illegitimate son Thomas who "was long a prisoner in France"
according to the Dictionary of Welsh Biography (which is now on-line
as indicated in the post below).
One secondary source which (apparently incorrectly) assigns the Sir
Thomas who d. 1483 as a son of Sir Roger is George T. Clark's "Limbus
Patrum Morgania et Glamorgania" of 1886. Clark definitely confuses
the legitimate son Sir Thomas and the supposed illegitimate son Sir
Thomas and says that both were beheaded in 1483 - clearly incorrect
with respect to the legitimate son, who was living in 1486 when he
received a pardon from Henry VII (per DWB).
The ODNB entry for the Sir Thomas Vaughan who d. 1483 indicates that
there were at least three other contemporaneous Thomas Vaughans - one
or more of whom may have been the sons of Sir Roger mentioned above.
Accordingly, it's possible that the three items mentioned below by
Adrian may not all refer to the same Thomas Vaughan - especially the
1st and 2nd items.
tom
My thanks to Adrian, Douglas, and John Higgins, for helping to clarify
the parents of the various Sir Thomas Vaughans that were living in the
15th century.
Sir ROGER VAUGHAN, the third son of Roger Vaughan of Bredwardine was
the first of the Vaughans to reside at Tretower. The residence was a
gift to him from his half-brother, William Herbert. [NLW].
His first wife was Denise, daughter of Thomas ap Philip Vaughan of
Talgarth, and she was the mother of the heir (Sir) Thomas Vaughan, who
as John Higgins points out received a pardon from Henry VII in 1486. A
large number of illegitimate children are ascribed to Sir Roger
Vaughan. [NLW]
The Sir Thomas Vaughan of Tretower, who was the son and heir of Sir
Roger Vaughan (d. 1471), was, as John Higgins points out, still living
when he was pardoned by Henry VII, in 1486. The PRO record KB 9/957
which Adrian noted, would seem to apply to this Sir Thomas Vaughan.
PRO record E 210/2694 which discusses the 1477 defeasance, clearly
shows that the parents of Sir Thomas Vaughan who was Chamberlain to
the king, and who was beheaded in 1483, to be Robert and Margaret
Vaugh[a]n. So no connection to Tretower is shown.
PRO record C 1/159/64 may or may not be relate to either of these men.
Regards,
Tom Dunn, Kilbrittain, Co. Cork, Ireland
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work out which is which. Here are a few more notes I have gathered.
Adrian
Thomas Vaughan.
p. 363: Henry Beauchamp, earl of Warwick died June 1446 at the age of 21,
and his sole daughter and heir died aged six less than three years later. As a
result, in the week beginning 12 June 1446 scors of appointments on the
Warwick estate were confirmed by the crown and the late duke’s properties were
farmed or given to temporary custodians. Almost without exception, the
recipients were either king’s knights (like William Beauchamp), king’s esquites
(like Thomas Vaughan and Edmund Mountford, a former Warwick servant), king’s
serjeants (…), or other royal servants … yet others were associated with the
queen’s establishment …;
p. 441: In the Parl of 1449-50, the Isle of Wight’s security was giving
grounds for concern. In the summer of 1449 the Isle had been terrorized by John
Newport, the duke of York’s steward and had been discharged from office. A
small company was mustered to defend Carisbrooke castle, placed on a five day
footing under one of the king’s serjeants-at-arms, John Baker. His
indenture for 20 men ran from 18 Oct 1450 to at least Michaelmas 1452; the master of
the king’s ordnance, Thomas Vaughan, provided weapons early in Oct 1450.;
p. 560; Interference in the lives and careers of aliens led some of the
more prosperous – even the occasional Welshman who was worried about Henry IV’s
statutes – to take steps to secure their position. William ap Gwilyn ap
Gruffydd, whose mother was Joan, daughter of Sir William Stanley, and Thomas
Vaughan, who was sponsored by the duke of Somerset and Adam Moleyns.;
p 825; The attainder was the pricipal business of the month-long parliament
(which was dissolve only five days before Christms 1460 and followed the
captire of king Henry VI by the Yorkists. Those attainted included Thomas
Vaughan … for their machinations in London.;
p 847; Wm VI held a great council at Coventry at th end of June. The
principal absentees were openly accused. This action is likely to have
precipitated the armed clashes of 1459. The king and his household appear to have
reached Coventry by 9 May. Sir William Oldhall and Thomas Vaughan, two of York’s
councillors, may have been responsible for sending news of the council to
Calais from London on 4 July.;
p 864: Following Wm VI capture (10 July 1460) most of his household was
replaced by Yorkists which penetrated below the senior levels, Thomas Vaughan was
appointed master of the king’s ordinance;
p 877: York’s servant Thomas Vaughan was keeper of the great wardrobe by 1
September 1460;
p 882: Following the battle of St Alban’s, 17 Feb 1461 Warwick Yorkist army
was beaten, one of those to flee was Thomas Vaughan
(The Reign of Henry VI (Sutton publishing 1998, 1st pub 1981))
pp 210-12: On 30 Apr 1483, at Stony Stratford. … Close by (the boy king)
Edward V were his aged chamberlain Sir Thomas Vaughan and his half brother Lord
Richard Grey. … Vaughan, Grey and a few others surrounded Edward as he
retired to his lodgings … Richard Er Warwick (later Rd III) … Certain ministers
about the dead King, he said, had ruined his health by encouraging him in his
excesses. These men must be removed from power in order that they might not
play the same game with the son as with the father. … Lord Grey and Sir Thomas
Vaugham were promptly arrested.; 216 Vaughan was transferred to Pontefract;
221 Richard proposed that a charge of treason be brought against Anthony
Woodville, Earl Rivers, Vaughan and Grey, but the council agreed upon a
compramise. No specific charges were brought, but all were of one mind that Rivers
and his associates must be ketp in prison; 252-3: On 24 June [1483] Rivers was
escourted to Pontefract. Grey had been brought from Middleham Castle. The
next day the three men went to the block.
(Richard The Third by Paul Murray Kendall, 1955)
p. 597.…In 1476 Sir Thomas Vaughan was appointed surveyor and demiser of the
revenues of the Norfolk inheritance (John duke of Norfolk deceased).
Vaughan (esquire of the body and keeper of the great wardrobe to Henry VI) had been
Edward’s treasurer of the Chamber, and an indispensable household figure who
in 1473 was made chamberlain to the young Prince Edward and was a member of
the prince’s council. He had a house in Stepney and was co-lessee with the
prince of Wales of another which he had built within the precinct of
Westminster Abbey `for his dwelling and for the pleasure of the king and his consort
Elizabeth and their son’. {fn. Cal. Pat. R 1467-1477, p 455. Vaughan’s
commission, several as administrators of lands that had fallen in to the
Exchequer, are numerous.} It was characteristic of Edward’s system to employ in his
household a man who served as sheriff and on the quorum of Surrey and Sussex,
thus linking country and central administrations. … p. 613
(The Fifteenth Century, 1399-1485 by E.F. Jacob (1st pub 1961))
Vaughan, Thomas (KB 18 April 1475)
(Shaw’s Knight’s)
Sir Thomas Vaughan buried in Westminster.
(052 (John Stow’s survay of London) p 410)
Edward Stanley 1st Baron Monteagle m2 before 25 Nov 1501 Elizabeth (-15 Jan
1514/5) d of Sir Thomas Vaughan of Tretower, co Brecon and widow of John,
Lord Grey of Wilton, and relict of Sir Thomas Cokesey (otherwise Greville or
Grevile). She d. 15 Jan 1514/5.
(004 (CP) Vol IX p 115 (Monteagle))
John Audeley, knight, lord Audeley. v. Sir Thomas Vaughan, knight, husband
of Alianore, previously the wife of Sir Thomas Broun. Land called `Walsted'
and `Huddes' at Lindfield, late of Sir Thomas Broun, knight, attainted.
Sussex.
(PRO C 1/59/24)
Douglas Richardson
Another problem involved with Sir Thonas Vaughan (died 1483) is the
correct identification of his children. Sir Thomas Vaughan is known
to have married shortly before 18 Oct. 1460 Eleanor Arundel, widow of
Sir Thomas Browne. The old D.N.B. and other sources usually assign
two children to Sir Thomas and his wife, Eleanor, namely, one son,
Henry, and a daughter, Anne, wife of John Wogan, K.B.
See the following weblink for the DNB account of Sir Thomas Vaughan:
http://books.google.com/books?id=kicJAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA181&dq=Thomas+Vaughan+Wogan#PPA180,M1
http://books.google.com/books?id=kicJAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA181&dq=Thomas+Vaughan+Wogan
The son Henry Vaughan allegedly had a son, Thomas, who adopted the
name Parry, who left descendants. However, this is surely an error,
as Anne, wife of John Wogan, was styled "doughter and sole heir to Sir
Thomas Vaughan knight" in Visitations by the Heralds in Wales (H.S.P.
n.s. 14) (1996): 77-78 (Wogan pedigree) as well as other visitations.
For Anne to be daughter and heiress of her father means that if she
had a brother, he died without issue.
Rather, my research suggests that Sir Thomas Vaughan had a son and
heir, Walter Vaughan, Esq., who was living in 1508, when he and John
Wogan, knight, incurred a debt of 500 marks to Hugh Vaughan, knight
[of Middlesex]. Below is a full abstract of that document:
Reference: PRO Document, C 241/278/82
http://www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/search.asp
Debtor: Walter Vaughan, esquire, the son and heir of Thomas Vaughan,
knight, deceased, and John Wogan, knight.
Creditor: Hugh Vaughan, knight [of Middlesex].
Amount: 500m.
Before whom: William Browne, Mayor of the Staple of Westminster.
When taken: 10/03/1508
First term: 23/04/1508
Last term: 23/04/1508
Writ to: Sheriff of [Middlesex]
Sent by: James Yarford, knight, Mayor of the Staple of Westminster.
Endorsement: Hereford [Glouc' Somer' Wiltes crossed out] Coram d'no
Rege in Canc' sua p'x futur'.
Covering dates 1527 Jan 30
Sir Hugh Vaughan to whom the above debt was owed appears to have been
Sir Hugh Vaughan, of St. Peter, Westminster, and Littleton, Middlesex,
Gentleman usher and Esquire of the body to King Henry VII, Lieutenant
of the Tower, Captain of the King's Guard, Bailiff of Westminster,
Privy Councillor, Captain of Jersey, 1507-1532. Sir Hugh Vaughan was
a native of Wales, but his parentage is unknown. He married before
Easter Term 1495 (date of settlement) (probably as his 2nd wife) Anne
Percy, widow of Thomas Hungerford, Knt.and Laurence Raynsford, Knt.,
and youngest child of Henry Percy, Knt., 2nd Earl of Northumberland,
5th Lord Percy, by Eleanor, daughter of Ralph Neville, K.G., 1st Earl
of Westmorland, 4th Lord Neville of Raby. By his wife, Anne Percy, or
an earlier wife, he had one son, Rowland, and three daughters, _____
(wife of Sir Thomas Viclu), Bridget (wife of John Payne, Gent.), and
Margaret (wife of _____ Staunton). In 1492 he killed Sir James Parker
in combat at Richmond, Surrey, following a controversy regarding the
arms that Garter had given him. In 1510 he bought various lands and
tenements in Littleton, Laleham, and Upper Shepperton, Middlesex from
James Yarford, Citizen and Alderman of London. In 1515 John Belle and
Isabel his wife conveyed premises in Knightbridge, Paddington, and
Westminster, Middlesex to Sir Hugh Vaughan, David Vaughan, Walter
Vaughan son and heir of Walter Vaughan, Gent., deceased, and others.
In the period, 1518-1522, John Grene, bachelor of physic, sued him in
Chancery for fees for seven years' medical attendance on defendant,
Lady Hungerford, now his wife, his children, and servants. His wife,
Anne, died 5 July 1522. Sir Hugh married (probably 3rd) Blanche
Castell, daughter of John Castell, Gent., of London, mercer, by
Isabel, daughter and co-heiress of John Metford, Esq.. She was a
legatee in the 1493 will of her grandmother, Blanche Metford. They
had three sons, Anthony, George, and Francis, Esq., and four
daughters, Elizabeth (probably wife of _____ Fisher), Anne (wife of
Nicholas Townley, Esq.), Jane (wife of _____ Biddulph), and Katherine
(wife of _____ Ryse). In 1529 he was distrained for arrears of quit
rent on Ippewells in Littleton, Middlesex which he owed for the
previous 18 years. Sir Hugh Vaughan died in 1536, and is buried with
his wife, Anne Percy, in St. Michael's Chapel, Westminster Abbey. He
left a will dated 16 July 1533, proved 14 Sept. 1536 (P.C.C. 40
Hogen). His widow, Blanche, died 8 Dec. 1553, and was buried in the
church of St. Mary Magadalene, Littleton, Middlesex.
As for Anne Vaughan, the daughter and heiress of Sir Thomas Vaughan,
my research indicates that she married 15 March 1484 (date of grant)
John Wogan, K.B., Knight of the King's Chamber, of Wiston,
Pembrokeshire, son and heir of John Wogan, Knt., of Wiston,
Pembrokeshire, by Maud, daughter and heiress of William Clement. They
had six sons, Henry, John, Knt., William, David, Robert, and Thomas,
and four daughters, Maud, Anne (wife of James Bowen, Knt.), Joan, and
Elizabeth (wife of Richard ap Harry ap Bowen). In 1484 King Richard
III granted John and his wife, Anne, and their heirs male the manors
of Flete and Holbeton, Devon and lands in Ditteridge, Wiltshire. In
1501 William Perrott, Esq. authorized him and William Adams the
younger, Gent. to deliver seisin of messuages and lands in Tenby,
Pembrokeshire to his son and heir, Owen Perrott, Gent. In 1519 he was
granted custody of 1/4th of the possessions of David Mathew and his
wife, Alice, both deceased, during the minority of his granddaughter,
Joan, daughter and heiress of his late son, Henry Wogan. Sir John
Wogan died 6 July 1526.
References: Meyrick, Heraldic Vis. of Wales 1 (1846): 42 (Wogan
pedigree: "Syr John Wgan Knt = Ann sol eyr Syr Tomas Vychan off
Pwmffrett Kt"), 107 (Wogan pedigree: Syr John Wgan kt = Ann merch a
koeyr Syr Tomas Vychan kt. o Pomfrett"). West Wales Hist. Recs. 6
(1916): 194-197. Siddons, Visitations by the Heralds in Wales (H.S.P.
n.s. 14) (1996): 77-78 (Wogan pedigree: "Sir John Owgan knight maryed
Anne, doughter and sole heir to Sir Thomas Vaughan knight, and they
had yssue John, Willyam."). PRO Documents, C 1/969/52-53 (Chancery
Proceeding dated 1538-1544: Richard Cornewall, esquire, son of Richard
Cornewall, knight, and Jenett his wife, granddaughter and heir of John
Wogan, knight, v. John Wogan, esquire.: Messuages and land in Hereford
(or in Marthewenok, co. Carmarthen), West Newton (in Manorbier ?) and
Grove (by Pembroke), to supply the deficiencies of the manors of
Yazor, Llanfihangel, Talyllyn and Castell Lloyd); C 1/969/54 (Chancery
Proceeding dated 1538-1544: Richard Cornewall, esquire, son of Richard
Cornewall, knight, and Jenett his wife, granddaughter and heir of John
Wogan, knight, v. John Wogan, esquire.: Detention of deeds relating to
the manors of Castell Lloyd and Llanfihangel, and messuages and land
in Newton, Grove and elsewhere, and forcible occupation of a burgage
and garden in Hereford); SC 8/344 (Wales Petition E.1315 dated c. 1495
by Griffith Vaghan ap Eynon and Mawde his wife rquesting that Sir
Richard Croftes, treasurer of the prince's household, be ordered to
surcease from local proceedings and to Henry Wogan of Slebech to
deliver deeds required to vindicate rights of petitioner's wife and
John Wogan her son) (abstracts of documents available online at
http://www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/search.asp).
tom
A clarification of my previous post:
PRO record E 210/2694 which discusses the 1477 defeasance, clearly
shows that the parents of Sir Thomas Vaughan who was Chamberlain to
the king, and who was beheaded in 1483, to be Robert and Margaret
imply no connection exists, just that it is not apparent.
Now, three items "cut and pasted" from your last post, along with
excerpts from an Oct. 2007 posting by Doug Richardson found in the SGM
archives.
>indenture for 20 men ran from 18 Oct 1450 to at least Michaelmas 1452; the master of
>the king's ordnance, Thomas Vaughan, provided weapons early in Oct 1450.;
and
>p 864: Following Wm VI capture (10 July 1460) most of his household was
>replaced by Yorkists which penetrated below the senior levels, Thomas Vaughan was
>appointed master of the king's ordinance;
>p 877: York's servant Thomas Vaughan was keeper of the great wardrobe by 1
>September 1460;
and
>Edward Stanley 1st Baron Monteagle m2 before 25 Nov 1501 Elizabeth (-15 Jan
>1514/5) d of Sir Thomas Vaughan of Tretower, co Brecon and widow of John,
>Lord Grey of Wilton, and relict of Sir Thomas Cokesey (otherwise Greville or
>Grevile). She d. 15 Jan 1514/5.
>(004 (CP) Vol IX p 115 (Monteagle)) John Audeley, knight, lord Audeley. v. Sir >Thomas Vaughan, knight, husband of Alianore, previously the wife of Sir Thomas >Broun. Land called `Walsted' and `Huddes' at Lindfield, late of Sir Thomas Broun, >knight, attainted.
Speaking of the Sir Thomas Vaughan (d. 1483), Doug Richardson
posted:
....... Esquire of the Body to King Edward IV, 1450-1459, 1462-1475,
Master of the Ordnance, 1450-1461, Burgess (M.P.) for Marlboro,
1455-1456, Keeper of the Great Wardrobe, 1460- 1461, Sheriff of Surrey
and Sussex, 1466-1467, Treasurer of the King's Chamber,
1467-1482..........
and Doug continued:
........ He was knighted 18 April 1475. In the period, 1475-1480, or
1483-
1485, John Audley, Knt., Lord Audley sued Sir Thomas Vaughan, husband
of Eleanor, previously the wife of Sir Thomas Browne, in Chancery
regarding land called Walsted and Huddes in Lindfield, Sussex, which
property was formerly held by Sir Thomas Browne.....
Regards
Tom Dunn
On Feb 22, 2:42 pm, ADRIANCHANNIN...@aol.com wrote:
> Well it looks as though I will have to go through my Thomas Vaughans and
> work out which is which. Here are a few more notes I have gathered.
>
> Adrian
>
> Thomas Vaughan.
> p. 363: Henry Beauchamp, earl of Warwick died June 1446 at the age of 21,
> and his sole daughter and heir died aged six less than three years later. As a
> result, in the week beginning 12 June 1446 scors of appointments on the
> Warwick estate were confirmed by the crown and the late duke's properties were
> farmed or given to temporary custodians. Almost without exception, the
> recipients were either king's knights (like William Beauchamp), king's esquites
> (like Thomas Vaughan and Edmund Mountford, a former Warwick servant), king's
> serjeants (...), or other royal servants ... yet others were associated with the
> queen's establishment ...;
> p. 441: In the Parl of 1449-50, the Isle of Wight's security was giving
> grounds for concern. In the summer of 1449 the Isle had been terrorized by John
> Newport, the duke of York's steward and had been discharged from office. A
> small company was mustered to defend Carisbrooke castle, placed on a five day
> footing under one of the king's serjeants-at-arms, John Baker. His
> indenture for 20 men ran from 18 Oct 1450 to at least Michaelmas 1452; the master of
> the king's ordnance, Thomas Vaughan, provided weapons early in Oct 1450.;
> p. 560; Interference in the lives and careers of aliens led some of the
> more prosperous - even the occasional Welshman who was worried about Henry IV's
> statutes - to take steps to secure their position. William ap Gwilyn ap
> Gruffydd, whose mother was Joan, daughter of Sir William Stanley, and Thomas
> Vaughan, who was sponsored by the duke of Somerset and Adam Moleyns.;
> p 825; The attainder was the pricipal business of the month-long parliament
> (which was dissolve only five days before Christms 1460 and followed the
> captire of king Henry VI by the Yorkists. Those attainted included Thomas
> Vaughan ... for their machinations in London.;
> p 847; Wm VI held a great council at Coventry at th end of June. The
> principal absentees were openly accused. This action is likely to have
> precipitated the armed clashes of 1459. The king and his household appear to have
> reached Coventry by 9 May. Sir William Oldhall and Thomas Vaughan, two of York's
> councillors, may have been responsible for sending news of the council to
> Calais from London on 4 July.;
> p 864: Following Wm VI capture (10 July 1460) most of his household was
> replaced by Yorkists which penetrated below the senior levels, Thomas Vaughan was
> appointed master of the king's ordinance;
> p 877: York's servant Thomas Vaughan was keeper of the great wardrobe by 1
> September 1460;
> p 882: Following the battle of St Alban's, 17 Feb 1461 Warwick Yorkist army
> was beaten, one of those to flee was Thomas Vaughan
> (The Reign of Henry VI (Sutton publishing 1998, 1st pub 1981))
>
> pp 210-12: On 30 Apr 1483, at Stony Stratford. ... Close by (the boy king)
> Edward V were his aged chamberlain Sir Thomas Vaughan and his half brother Lord
> Richard Grey. ... Vaughan, Grey and a few others surrounded Edward as he
> retired to his lodgings ... Richard Er Warwick (later Rd III) ... Certain ministers
> about the dead King, he said, had ruined his health by encouraging him in his
> excesses. These men must be removed from power in order that they might not
> play the same game with the son as with the father. ... Lord Grey and Sir Thomas
> Vaugham were promptly arrested.; 216 Vaughan was transferred to Pontefract;
> 221 Richard proposed that a charge of treason be brought against Anthony
> Woodville, Earl Rivers, Vaughan and Grey, but the council agreed upon a
> compramise. No specific charges were brought, but all were of one mind that Rivers
> and his associates must be ketp in prison; 252-3: On 24 June [1483] Rivers was
> escourted to Pontefract. Grey had been brought from Middleham Castle. The
> next day the three men went to the block.
> (Richard The Third by Paul Murray Kendall, 1955)
>
> p. 597....In 1476 Sir Thomas Vaughan was appointed surveyor and demiser of the
> revenues of the Norfolk inheritance (John duke of Norfolk deceased).
> Vaughan (esquire of the body and keeper of the great wardrobe to Henry VI) had been
> Edward's treasurer of the Chamber, and an indispensable household figure who
> in 1473 was made chamberlain to the young Prince Edward and was a member of
> the prince's council. He had a house in Stepney and was co-lessee with the
> prince of Wales of another which he had built within the precinct of
> Westminster Abbey `for his dwelling and for the pleasure of the king and his consort
> Elizabeth and their son'. {fn. Cal. Pat. R 1467-1477, p 455. Vaughan's
> commission, several as administrators of lands that had fallen in to the
> Exchequer, are numerous.} It was characteristic of Edward's system to employ in his
> household a man who served as sheriff and on the quorum of Surrey and Sussex,
> thus linking country and central administrations. ... p. 613
ADRIANCH...@aol.com
Edward Stanley 1st Baron Monteagle m2 before 25 Nov 1501 Elizabeth (-15 Jan
1514/5) d of Sir Thomas Vaughan of Tretower, co Brecon and widow of John,
Lord Grey of Wilton, and relict of Sir Thomas Cokesey (otherwise Greville or
Grevile). She d. 15 Jan 1514/5.
(004 (CP) Vol IX p 115 (Monteagle))
The Sir Thomas Vaughan above is the one who was executed in 1483 together
with his in-law Richard Grey Ld Grey of Wilton, so I guess CP has erred in
calling him "of Tretower"
By the way Thomas Stanley 2nd Bn Monteagle (son of the above) m1 c1528 Mary
d of Charles Brandon Dk of Suffolk by his m1 Anne d of Sir Anthony Browne, a
son of Eleanor (Sir Thomas Vaughan's wife) by her m1
Adrian
jhigg...@yahoo.com
What is the evidence that indicates that Elizabeth Vaughan, wife of
John, Lord Grey of Wilton, and Edward Stanley, 1st Baron Monteagle,
was the dau. of the Sir Thomas Vaughan who was executed 1483 rather
than Sir Thomas Vaughan of Tretower? The biographies of the executed
Sir Thomas do not give this daughter among his children, whereas at
least one secondary source (Clark's Limbus Patrum cited previously)
does include Elizabeth among the children of Sir Thomas Vaughan of
Tretower.
Also, CP does not show a Richard Grey, Lord Grey of Wilton, in this
time frame. Was he perhaps of one of the several other branches of
the Grey family? Is he specifically referred to someplace as an in-
law of the executed Sir Thomas?
ADRIANCH...@aol.com
>>>>
What is the evidence that indicates that Elizabeth Vaughan, wife of
John, Lord Grey of Wilton, and Edward Stanley, 1st Baron Monteagle,
was the dau. of the Sir Thomas Vaughan who was executed 1483 rather
than Sir Thomas Vaughan of Tretower? The biographies of the executed
Sir Thomas do not give this daughter among his children, whereas at
least one secondary source (Clark's Limbus Patrum cited previously)
does include Elizabeth among the children of Sir Thomas Vaughan of
Tretower.
Also, CP does not show a Richard Grey, Lord Grey of Wilton, in this
time frame. Was he perhaps of one of the several other branches of
the Grey family? Is he specifically referred to someplace as an in-
law of the executed Sir Thomas?
>>>
I have made a blunder here. In _Richard The Third_ by Paul Murray Kendall,
1955 it stated that "...Edward V were his aged chamberlain Sir Thomas Vaughan
and his half brother Lord Richard Grey". I took that to mean that Lord
Richard Grey was half brother to Sir Thomas Vaughan, but the author means that he
was half brother to Edward V, this Lord Richard Grey being full brother to
Thomas Grey 1st Marquis of Dorset
Sorry about that.
Adrian
Douglas Richardson
daughter named Elizabeth.
Peter Batrum shows that the Elizabeth Vaughan in question was actually
daughter of Sir Thomas Vaughan, of Tretower, Breconshire, by his 1st
wife, Cecily [Reference: Bartrum, Welsh Gens. 1400-1500 3 (1983): 462
(Drymbenog 2(C2) pedigree: "Elsbeth [Vaughan] d. 1514 = Edward Stanley
Baron Monteagle, b. c. 1460, d. 1523")].
Elizabeth Vaughan married (1st) Thomas Cokesey (otherwise Greville),
Knt., of Cooksey, Worcestershire (died 6 March 1497/8); (2nd) before
26 Nov. 1498 (date of indenture) Sir John Grey, 8th Lord Grey of
Wilton (died 3 April 1499); and (3rd) before 25 Nov. 1501 Edward
Stanley, Knt., afterwards Lord Mounteagle (died 6 or 7 April 1523).
She died 15 Jan. 1514/5.
Desc. Cat. of Ancient Deeds, 1 (1890): 106-116 includes an abstract of
an indenture from John Grevill to Richard Emson dated 26 Nov. 1498
which mentions "lady Grey, late the wife of Sir Thomas Cokesey."
For the following weblink for this item:
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=64201&strquery=%22Sir%20Thomas%20Cokesey%22
Additional material on Elizabeth Vaughan and her 2nd husband, Sir John
Grey, may be found in the following work:
Biancalana, The Fee Tail and the Common Recovery in Medieval England
(2001): 413, 432-433.
wjhonson
> William Huse, Robert Willoughby and associates at Hereford on 16 May 1486,
> under commission of 11 May 1486 for all treasons, etc in Herefordshire (CPR
> 1485-94, 106): file, treason trials of Thomas Vaughan late of Tretower in the
> Marchch of Wales and others
Is it necessarily obvious that the above Thomas is now living? I
don't find that quite compelling yet.
Will Johnson
suthen
called Jonet in other sources and was wife of Dafydd Laugharne (son of
Thomas Laugharne and Elsbeth Eliot) of Sain Ffred, Pembrokeshire. See:
The British Genealogist: Comprosing the Gentry in Caermarthanshire,
Cardiganshire, Pembrokeshire, Glamorganshire and Breconshire C-46 (St.
Brides).
HS
On Feb 22, 8:46 am, Douglas Richardson <royalances...@msn.com> wrote:
<snip>
> As for Anne Vaughan, the daughter and heiress of Sir Thomas Vaughan,
> my research indicates that she married 15 March 1484 (date of grant)
> John Wogan, K.B., Knight of the King's Chamber, of Wiston,
> Pembrokeshire, son and heir of John Wogan, Knt., of Wiston,
> Pembrokeshire, by Maud, daughter and heiress of William Clement. They
> had six sons, Henry, John, Knt., William, David, Robert, and Thomas,
> and four daughters, Maud, Anne (wife of James Bowen, Knt.), Joan, and
> Elizabeth (wife of Richard ap Harry ap Bowen). In 1484 King Richard
> III granted John and his wife, Anne, and their heirs male the manors
> of Flete and Holbeton, Devon and lands in Ditteridge, Wiltshire. In
> 1501 William Perrott, Esq. authorized him and William Adams the
> younger, Gent. to deliver seisin of messuages and lands in Tenby,
> Pembrokeshire to his son and heir, Owen Perrott, Gent. In 1519 he was
> granted custody of 1/4th of the possessions of David Mathew and his
> wife, Alice, both deceased, during the minority of his granddaughter,
> Joan, daughter and heiress of his late son, Henry Wogan. Sir John
> Wogan died 6 July 1526.
>
<snip>
tom
from 'Vaughan family of Tretower Court' [NLW], speaking of Sir Thomas
Vaughan:
..... "He gave Richard III strong support against the rebellion of the
duke of Buckingham in Oct. 1483. Henceforward, he is styled knight in
the records, and he was granted the stewardship of the lordship of
Brecknock, 4 March 1484. He seems to have acted cautiously during the
months preceding the battle of Bosworth, and he obtained a general
pardon from Henry VII, 2 April 1486."
Therefore, he is alive in 1484, acting cautious prior to August 1485,
and seemingly alive in 1486. I do agree that it is possible he could
have died prior to the pardon.
Regards
Tom Dunn, Kilbrittain, Co. Cork, Ireland
tom
> Hi Folks,
> from 'Vaughan family of Tretower Court' [NLW], speaking of Sir Thomas
> Vaughan:
>
> ..... "He gave Richard III strong support against the rebellion of the
> duke of Buckingham in Oct. 1483. Henceforward, he is styled knight in
> the records, and he was granted the stewardship of the lordship of
> Brecknock, 4 March 1484. He seems to have acted cautiously during the
> months preceding the battle of Bosworth, and he obtained a general
> pardon from Henry VII, 2 April 1486."
>
> Therefore, he is alive in 1484, acting cautious prior to August 1485,
> and seemingly alive in 1486. I do agree that it is possible he could
> have died prior to the pardon.
>
> Regards
>
> On Feb 22, 9:07 pm, wjhonson <wjhon...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 21, 8:49 am, ADRIANCHANNIN...@aol.com wrote:
>
> > > Returned oyer and terminer commission, Heref, before John earl of Lincoln,
> > > William Huse, Robert Willoughby and associates at Hereford on 16 May 1486,
> > > under commission of 11 May 1486 for all treasons, etc in Herefordshire (CPR
> > > 1485-94, 106): file, treason trials of Thomas Vaughan late of Tretower in the
> > > Marchch of Wales and others
>
> > Is it necessarily obvious that the above Thomas is now living? I
> > don't find that quite compelling yet.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hi Folks,
Thomas Vaughan of Tretower was apparently active in 1487 as shown
by the following document found on A2A:
C 241/269
Debtor: Thomas Vaughan of Tretour in the Marches of Wales, knight,
Walter Herbert of Llandook in the same March, knight, Thomas ap Morgan
of Pencoyt in the same March, knight, John ap Morgan of Tredegar in
the same March, knight, William Herbert of Troye in the same March,
esquire, and Morgan Gamage of Coytyth in the same March, esquire.
Creditor: Thomas Tremaille, lawyer of the lord King {servient domini
Regis ad legem}, Robert Reed, lawyer of the King, James Haute, and
John Brown.
Amount: £500.
Before whom: John Brown, knight, Mayor of the Staple of Westminster.
When taken: 12/11/1487
WBO; Vaughan family, of Tretower Court, shows that Thomas Vaughan had
three sons, Roger, Watkin and Henry, and that the inheritance of
Tretower passed to Henry, the third son.
This should lay to rest any idea that Thomas of Tretower, lost his
head in 1483.
Regards,
