Llywelyn ap Iorwerth ancestor table, gen. 9-13
Stewart Baldwin
This posting continues my ancestor table for Llywelyn ap Iorwerth from
where the first part left off, and includes generations 9 through 13.
For abbreviations which do not appear at the end of this part, refer
to the part having generations 1-8, which is available on Dejanews.
The third part, with generations 14 through 18, is being posted at the
same time that I am posting this part. Please keep in mind that this
is still a preliminary version, and that errors are likely to occur.
Stewart Baldwin
Generation 9:
256. Idwal Voel ab Anarawd, d. 943 [AC], king of Gwynedd.
[JC.25, see also DNB.10.412]
257. Unknown. [Note: Lewys Dwnn's visitation (LD.ii.100)
gives Idwal's wife as Mereddon ferch Cadwr, but this late
source cannot be trusted for such an early marriage.]
258-271. Unknown
272. Sitric (Sigtrygg) ua Imair, k. Dublin and York, d. 927
[AU].
273. Unknown. [Note: Sitric married a sister of Aethelstan
of England in 926, but it is not chronologically feasible
for her to be the mother of Amlaib Cuaran.]
274. Murchad mac Finn, k. Laigin, d. 972 [AU]
[CGH.117c36,54,117d5,LL337f21]
275. Unknown.
276. Cennetig mac Lorcain, k. Thomond, d. 951 [AU]
{CGH.152b27,30,154a45,LL336d43]
277. Be Bind ingen Urchada. [BS.188,227,314,338]
278-279. Unknown.
280. Augaire mac Ailella, k. Laigin, d. 917 (killed in the
Battle of Cennfuait by Sitric ua Imair, #272) [AU]
{CGH.117c19]
281-287. Unknown.
288. Owain ap Hywel Dda (same as # 196)
289. (same as #197?)
290-391. Unknown or duplicated.
392. Hywel Dda ap Cadell, king of South Wales, d. 950 [AC].
[HG.1: "Higuel map Catell"]
393. Elen ferch Llywarch, d. 929 [AC.b: "Helena obiit"]
[HG.2: "Elen merc Ioumarc" (a mistake for "Loumarc")]
394. Llywelyn ap Merfyn [EWGT - more research needed]
395-511. Unknown.
Generation 10:
512. Anarawd ap Rhodri Mawr, d. 916 [AU, AC], king of
Gwynedd. [JC.25, see also DNB.10.412]
513-543. Unknown.
544. NN mac Imair. [Note: Sitric (Sigtrygg) is called a
grandson of Imar (Ivar) in the Irish annals, but no
satisfactory evidence has been advanced regarding the name
of the intervening generation.]
545-547. Unknown.
548. Finn mac Mael Morda, royal heir of Laigin, d. 923 [AU]
[CGH.117d6,LL337f22]
549-551. Unknown.
552. Lorcan mac Lachtnai [CGH.152b27,154a46,LL336d44]
553. Unknown.
554. Urchad mac Murchada, k. West Connacht, d. 945 [AU:
"Aurchath"]
555. Unknown. [However, an intriguing statement by Margaret
Dobbs in WUD (p. 204) suggests that it might be possible to
fill in this blank by further research. Her statement
appears to suggest that the maternal ancestry of Be Bind is
to be found on "B.IV.2. fo. 52a. R.I.A.", which evidently
refers to folio 52a of a manuscript called "B.IV.2" at the
Royal Irish Academy. I do not know whether or not the
contents of this manuscript have ever been published.]
556-559. Unknown.
560. Ailill mac Dunlaing, k. Laigin, d. 871 [AU]
[CGH.117c21]
561-783. Unknown or duplicated.
784. Cadell ap Rhodri, king of South Wales, d. 910 [AC]
[HG.1: "Catell map Rotri"]
785. Unknown.
786. Llywarch ap Hyfaidd, d. 904 [AC] [HG.2: "(L)oumarc map
Himeyt" (see comment under #393)]
787. Unknown.
788. Merfyn ap Rhodri, d. 904 [EWGT - more research needed]
789-1023. Unknown.
Generation 11:
1024. Rhodri Mawr, king of Gwynedd, d. 878 [AC, AU].
[JC.25] [HG.1: "Rotri map Mermin"] (also #1568, #1576)
1025. Unknown. [Note: JC.20-1 (a fourteenth century
manuscript) gives Angharad ferch Meurig as the wife of
Rhodri Mawr, and is the earliest known source to mention
Angharad. Patrick Sims-Williams has argued persuasively (in
SW) that Angharad is a late invention, and I find his
arguments convincing. The same arguments apply to Rhodri's
alleged mother Nest of Powys (below, #2049). Since Angharad
probably never existed, the supposed line of descent from
the kings of Ceredigion which has been traced through her is
probably not valid.]
1026-1087. Unknown.
1088. Imar (Ivar), k. Dublin (& York?), d. 873 [AU]
1089-1095. Unknown.
1096. Mael Morda mac Muirecain, k. Airther-Liphi, d. 917
(killed in the Battle of Cennfuait by Sitric ua Imair, #272)
[AU] [CGH.117c38,d7,LL337f23]
1097-1103. Unknown.
1104. Lachtnae mac Cuircc [CGH.152b26,154a47,LL336d45]
1105-1107. Unknown.
1108. Murchad mac Moenaig, king of West Connaught, d. 896
[EL, citing the Annals of Innisfallen, to which I do not
have access] [Note: In EL, p. 27, Kelley cites The O'Clery
Book of Genealogies (Analecta Hibernica 18) (Dublin, 1951)
for the ancestry of Murchad, a source to which I do not have
access. I have listed the ancestors here as given by
Kelley, but consider the information tentative, pending
further research.]
1109-1119. Unknown.
1120. Dunlaing mac Muiredaig, k. Laigin, d. 869 [CS]
[CGH.117c22]
1121-1567. Unknown or duplicated.
1568. Rhodri Mawr, king of Gwynedd (same as #1024)
1569. Unknown. [See note under #1025]
1572. Hyfaidd ap Bleiddig, king of Dyfed, d. 893 [AC] [HG.2:
"Himeyt"]
1573-1575. Unknown.
1576. Rhodri Mawr, king of Gwynedd (same as #1024)
1577. Unknown. [See note under #1025]
1578-2047. Unknown.
Generation 12:
2048. Merfyn Frych ap Gwriad, king of Gwynedd, d. 844 [AU,
AC] [HG.1: "Mermin"]
2049. Unknown. [JC.18 gives her as Nest, daughter of king
Cadell of Powys. She, like Angharad (#1025), appears to be
a late invention, for reasons which are the same as for
Angharad. See SW and the note under #1025. Since Nest
probably never existed, the supposed line of descent through
her from the kings of Powys is probably not valid.]
2050-2175. Unknown.
2176. Unknown. [Note: Some would place the mythical Ragnar
Lothbrok in this position. My reasons for not considering
Ragnar as a historical person have been explained in great
detail in previous postings to this newsgroup.]
2177-2191. Unknown.
2192. Muirecan mac Diarmata, k. Laigin, d. 863 [AU]
[CGH.117d8,LL337f23]
2193-2207. Unknown.
2208. Corcc mac Anluain [CGH.152b26,154a48,LL336d46]
2209-2215. Unknown.
2216. Moenach mac Flaithnia [see note under #1108]
2217-2239. Unknown.
2240. Muiredach mac Brain, half-king ("leth-ri") of Laigin,
d. 818 [AU] [CGH.117c22]
2241. Etromma ingen Indellaig (or Finddelbaig)
[CGH.LL316a45, WUD]
2242-3143. Unknown or duplicated.
3144. Bleiddig (or Bledri) [TYP no. 68, ByT] [Note: His son
is listed in the Welsh triads as one of three kings who were
sprung from villeins, so he was apparently of humble birth.
No patronym is known for him.]
3145. Tangwystyl ferch Owain [HG.2: "Tancoystl merc Ouein"]
3146-4095. Unknown or duplicated.
Generation 13:
4096. Gwriad, probably from the Isle of Man, and possibly
the person named on an inscription ("CRUX GURIAT") on a
cross in the Isle of Man which has been dated to the eighth
or ninth century. [Note: The genealogy which purports to
make Gwriad a direct male-line descendant of Llywarch Hen is
almost certainly a late fabrication. It is more likely that
his paternal ancestors were among those who are named in
HG.4, but the exact line of descent (if any) is uncertain,
and Gwriad's parentage must be regarded as unknown. See SW
for a discussion of these issues.]
4097. Esyllt ferch Cynan Dindaethwy [HG.1: "Etthil merch
Cinnan"] [Note: The best and earliest sources give her as
the mother of Merfyn Frych. Later sources erroneously
assign her as Merfyn's wife. For a discussion of this
error, see SW.]
4098-4383. Unknown.
4384. Diarmait mac Ruadrach, k. Airther-Liphi, d. 832 [AU]
[CGH.117d9,LL337f24]
4385-4415. Unknown.
4416. Anluan mac Mathgamna [CGH.152b25,154a49,LL336d47]
4417-4431. Unknown.
4432. Flaithnia mac Fiangalaig [see note under #1108]
4433-4479. Unknown.
4480. Bran Ardchenn mac Muiredaig, k. Laigin, d. 795 [AU]
[CGH.117c24]
4481. Unknown. [Note: Bran was married to Ethne, who also
d. 795 (AU), daughter of Domnall, king of Meath, but it is
unknown if she was Muiredach's mother.]
4482. Indellach (or Finddelbach) mac Mac-Orbba (or Mac-
Forba) [Note: See CGH.LL316a45, WUD. Variant readings on
the different manuscripts make his name hard to determine.]
4483. Fidcossa [CGH.LL316a45]
4484-6289. Unknown or duplicated.
6290. Owain ap Maredudd, d. 811 [AC] [HG.2: "Ouein map
Margetiud"]
6289-8191. Unknown or duplicated.
End of Generation 13.
Abbreviations:
[See the first part for abbreviations not given here.]
CS = Chronicon Scotorum, edited by W. Hennessy (London,
Rolls Series 46, 1866)
DCCD = D. O'Corrain, "Dal Cais - Church and Dynasty", Eriu
24 (1973), 52-63.
EL = David H. Kelley, "The Ancestry of Eve of Leinster", The
Genealogist 1 (1980), 4-27.
EWGT = Early Welsh Genealogical Tracts, edited by P. C.
Bartrum (University of Wales Press, Cardiff, 1966).
HG = Genealogies from Harleian MS. 3859, fo. 193r-195r (a
copy made ca. 1100 of genealogies compiled probably between
954 and 988) [Note: I neglected to mention in the first
part that these genealogies can be found in EWGT, pp. 9-13.]
SW = Patrick Sims-Williams, "Historical Need and Literary
Narrative: a Caveat from Ninth Century Wales", The Welsh
History Review, 17 (1994), 1-40.
TYP = Trioedd Ynys Prydein (The Welsh Triads), edited by
Rachel Bromwich (University of Wales Press, Cardiff, 1978).
WUD = Margaret E. Dobbs, "Women of the Ui Dunlainge of
Leinster", The Irish Genealogist 1 (1940), 196-206. [Gives
the text and translation of an Irish genealogical tract
which was probably originally written in the eighth century
(with later additions), giving the ancestry of the wives of
several kings of Leinster (Laigin).]