Re: Joan Goddard

[Richard Carruthers]

Hello Thomas,

I have noticed too that there are some chronological and generational
placement (filiation) problems with the GODDARD pedigree as I examine
it in relation to the descendants of the marriage of Joan a.k.a. Anne
ERNLE and John GODDARD, of the North Wilts. family. All that I can say
at the moment is that these issues have my attention, and that I hope
to be able to address them with proper evidences in the course of my
exhaustive study of all instances of the name ERNLE (and variants),
and my attempts to reconstitute the pedigrees of those descended from
members of the family, including the issue of that marriage.

The recent facilitation of points of access to the PCC wills
collection and the corresponding reduction of the cost of carrying out
investigations should further this process.

I know that this is not much help, if any, but sometimes it is well
(and good) to know that fellow labourers are at work on a familiar
problem.

All the best in 2014, and for your research endeavours.

Richard

On 29/12/2013, ja...@millcomm.com <ja...@millcomm.com> wrote:
>
> I am trying to sort out Joan Goddard's family connections. Can anyone
> help?
>
> She married, as his first wife, John Yates (died 1541), the son of
> Richard
> Yates and Joan Ashendon.
>
> She was the daughter of Richard Goddard, who was the son of another
> Richard
> and Elizabeth, his wife, the daughter of Thomas Walrond (from The Fulham
> Genealogy by Volney Sewall Fulham, and A Memoir of the Goddards of North
> Wiltshire by John Richard Jefferies).
>
> What I'm having trouble with is the timing. Richard Goddard (Joan's
> father)
> left a will dated 1614. John Yates (Joan's husband) died in 1541.
>
> If you trace the Goddard line, you find "Richard [son of Richard], who
> resided at Upham; his daughter and heiress married John Yate, esq. of
> Charney, Berkshire." If you trace the Yates line, you find that John
> Yates,
> son of Richard, was married first to Joan, the daughter of Richard
> Goddard,
> and second to Alice, the daughter of Oliver Hyde (and Anne Lovingcott).
> But
> the dates simply do not work.
>
> Unless there were two marriages between the Goddard and Yates family,
> which
> I have not discovered.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thank you!
>
> Thomas
>
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[Richard Carruthers]

Hello again Thomas,

Further to my last message, I can now add this item which hints at a
connexion, viz.:

RICHARD GODRED of Albourne, in the county of Wilts. To be buried at
Albourne. Richard
Godred, son of Walter Godred. Richard son of William Godred. Thomas
Godred son of John
Godred my brother. Thomas Busshe. Elizabeth Yate, daughter of John
Yate. Alice Godred, wife of John Godred. To John son of John Godred
land called " Medhilcrofte." John Yate to have "Meghinton &:
blakgrove." John Godred son of Richard Godred. Sons and daughters of
John Yate. Robert Payn. Henry Frekhilton. William Hethcott. Walter
Tucker. Elizabeth Fetipace. Sons and daughters of Thomas Bushe,
William Prott, William Clerke and William Mundi. Agnes Mundi. Thomas
Harold. Robert Poppe. Robert Ulgar. Thomas Swett. Richard Morley.
William Walshin. Thomas Hulkes. Roger Hill and all his sons and
daughters. Richard Skette. Richard Reynolds. Elizabeth Gayn, daughter
of John Gayn. John Clerk. Elizabeth Stephen daughter of Thomas Godred.
Elenor Walshin. Alice Erley. Elenor Glover. John Fifeld. Margaret
Jacob. William Cole and sons and daughters. To my wife Elizabeth, John
Yate and John Godred, son of Walter Godred, furniture at Uppham. To my
wife Elizabeth and said John Godred furniture at Albourne. The four
younger sons of my late brother John Godred. Exors; John Yate and John
Godred, son of Walter Godred. Overseer: Master John Eton perpetual
vicar of Alborne. Witnesses; Sir Henry Frekhilton, Sir William
Hethcott, Thomas Bushe, Thomas Godred and others. Dated 5 June 1505.
Proved 28 August 1505 by exors.
P.C.C. 36 Holgrave

from: [PDF]
Abstracts From Early Goddard Family Wills. 1417 to 1605
www.goddard-association.org.uk/secure/.../Goddard_Wills_1417-1605.p...
Abstracts From Early Goddard Family Wills. 1417 to 1605. Rainald
William Knightley Goddard collected these early Goddard wills, dating
from 1417 to. 1605.

It would appear from the foregoing that different generations of men
named Richard Goddard have been confused in the account you were
quoting making it appear as though your ancestress's father Richard
Goddard died in the early 17th century whereas he appears to have died
in the early 16th century. If that is the case, it makes sense that
the daughter of a man who died in 1505 could have had a husband who
died in 1541.

I can vouch for the fact that the parents (my ancestors) of Alice Hyde
belong to this earlier period, viz. Oliver Hyde, Esq., of South
Denchworth, Berks., died in 1516, and his widow, Agnes, nee
Lovingcote, expired in 1523, as is shown in a brass rubbing of their
MI available here:

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pv&GRid=101268654

I hope this helps.

Richard
P.S.
I should have written that my GODDARD connexion was not named John,
but rather Thomas GODDARD, Esq., of Ogbourne St George, Wilts. He
married Anne ERNLE (also called Johan or Jane in Wilts. Visitation
references dated 1565 and 1623 respectively), daughter John ERNLE,
Esq., The Elder, of Fosbury and Bishop's Cannings, Wilts. (b. ca
1461/2, from the 1490 IPM of Henry Longe, Esq., of Wilts.; fl. 1536 as
father-in-law and overseer appointed by his son-in-law Thomas GODDARD
in his P.C.C. will dated 1536 and pr. 1538), by his wife, Ann DARELL,
daughter of Constantine DARELL, Esq., of Collingbourne Abbas,
otherwise of Collingbourne Ducis, Wilts., M.P.

By the way, this Anne ERNLE's nephew, my ancestor, another John ERNLE
(d. 1571/72), was married to a granddaughter of the HYDE/LOVINGCOTE
marriage, i.e. Mary HYDE, one of the twenty (!) children of William
HYDE, of South Denchworth, Berks., by his wife, Margery/Margaret
CATER, daughter of John CATER, gent., of Letcombe Regis, Berks. There
are doubtless a great many people derived from this marriage, incl.
Douglas HYDE, the nominal first president of the Irish Free State
(1938-45) (there was a King of Ireland at the same time, George VI).