Margery Poynings
Hal Bradley
Margery Bacoun, daughter of Sir Edmund Bacoun and Margery de Poynings. Does
anyone know Margery's ancestry? Thank you.
Hal Bradley
Paul Mackenzie
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JOAN DE BREWES
1362
Inq. p.m. Edmund Bacon
Oxford. Manors of Ewelm, 'Spenseresfee', etc.
Edmund died 1337. He married one Joan de Brewes, by whom he had a daughter
Margery, who was married to William de Kerdeston and had a daughter Maud,
who was married to John Burgwash and had a son John de Burgwash. He also
married Margery Pounynges, by whom he had a daughter Margery, who was
married to William Molyns. This margery and John de Burgwash aforesaid are
his heirs. She is 21 years of age and more, and he is 18 years of age.
CIPM 11:11,12,13
Regards
Paul
Brisbane
Australia
Hal Bradley
Thank you for your reply.
Also of interest is the following:
Palgrave, Francis, Sir, "Parliamentary Writs and Military Summons" (1830),
2:589:
"1316 - Brewosa, Ricardus de - Ricardus filius Egidii certified, pursuant to
writs tested at Clipston, 5 March as Lord or Joint Lord of the following
townships Norfolk - Salle, Brisingham, Fressingheld (to the later he is in
the wardship of Edmundus Bacon) Suffolk - Stradboke and Wingfield,
Martlesham, Newbourn and Waldringfield."
I think that Joan de Brewes of your post was the widow of Giles de Braose
(Brewes), and her son Richard of that marriage was made a ward of her second
husband, Edmund Bacon.
Does anyone know the identification of Joan, wife of (1) Richard de Brewes
and (2) Edmund Bacon?
Also, is Edmund Bacon related to the Bacons of Baconsthorpe? He is said to
be of Norfolk.
Any comments would be appreciated. TIA.
Hal Bradley
Tim Powys-Lybbe
hw.br...@verizon.net ("Hal Bradley") wrote:
> Paul,
>
> Thank you for your reply.
>
> Also of interest is the following:
>
> Palgrave, Francis, Sir, "Parliamentary Writs and Military Summons" (1830),
> 2:589:
>
> "1316 - Brewosa, Ricardus de - Ricardus filius Egidii certified, pursuant to
> writs tested at Clipston, 5 March as Lord or Joint Lord of the following
> townships Norfolk - Salle, Brisingham, Fressingheld (to the later he is in
> the wardship of Edmundus Bacon) Suffolk - Stradboke and Wingfield,
> Martlesham, Newbourn and Waldringfield."
>
> I think that Joan de Brewes of your post was the widow of Giles de Braose
> (Brewes), and her son Richard of that marriage was made a ward of her second
> husband, Edmund Bacon.
>
> Does anyone know the identification of Joan, wife of (1) Richard de Brewes
> and (2) Edmund Bacon?
On 10th January 2002, in the Braose-Wingfield thread, John Ravilous
_thought_ (only) that she was the dau. of Richard de Beaumonst of
Witnesham, Suffolk. But he had no documentation ready and I cannot find
any subsequent comment from anyone.
> Also, is Edmund Bacon related to the Bacons of Baconsthorpe? He is said to
> be of Norfolk.
>
> Any comments would be appreciated. TIA.
>
> Hal Bradley
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Rosie Bevan
Last year I made a post discussing the possible origin of Joan de
Beaumont which is reproduced below
From: cbe...@paradise.net.nz (cbe...@paradise.net.nz)
Subject: Joan de Beaumont
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Date: 2002-01-16 15:05:03 PST
"Recently it has been shown by John Ravilious that Joan de Beaumont,
da of Richard Beaumont of Witnesham, and wife of Giles de Brewse
d.1311, was also wife of Edmund Bacon who died in 1337.
The ancestry of Joan has been something of a puzzle, but today I came
across a
possible placing for her through information from W.A.Copinger, The
Manors of
Suffolk, (Fisher-Unwin,1905) v.1. Unfortunately this volume does not
cover
Witnesham, but it appears that the Beaumont, or Bellomonte family, had
interests in other manors in Suffolk - namely a third share of Groton
and Semere, Levenya Strattons manor in Assington and possibly
Boxfield.
These were held by Godfrey de Bellomonte who died without issue in
1293 and was
succeeded by his brother Sir John Bellomonte who died in 1297, leaving
a widow
Alice. He was succeeded by his son Richard Bellomonte, who held in
1299.
Chronologically it is possible that Joan is daughter of this Richard.
A full pedigree of the descendants of Robert Cokefield (d. temp.
Richard I), is
shown on p.111 and includes that of Sir John Bellomonte which is
reproduced
below.
1.Robert de Cokefield
2.Gunnora de Cokefield=William Drayton
3.Alicia de Drayton=William de Bellomonte 8 John [1206/7]
4.William de Bellomonte of Drayton=Alicia da. and coh. of
Fulco d'Oyri
5.Godfrey de Bellomonte d.s.p.=Cecilia de Ferrers
s.[sister?] and h of Hugo de Ferrers s. of William E. of Derby
5.John de Bellomonte
If Joan was a descendant of Sir John de Bellomonte, it is difficult to
tell by the devolution of the above manors, as their history
afterwards as given by Copinger is rather patchy. Hopefully the above
may help in uncovering further information about the Beaumonts."
I have since come across information that the de Beaumonts also held a
manor in Salle, the parish where the Brewes family owned the manor of
Stainton. Salle had 4-5 manorial properties in the 1300s.
Owing to technical problems I am currently unable to access the
internet, (this is posted from another location), so if anyone has
contacted me and not received a reply, that is the reason. Hopefully
it will be rectified in a couple of days.
Cheers
Rosie
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Mardi Carter
Margery Poynings is dau. of Michael de Poynings (d. 1314/6), of
Poynings and Crawley, co. Sussex. He is presumed to be son and heir
of Sir Luke de Poynings (d. 1294) according to CP.
Margery was married first to Edmund Bacon. According to Walter Rye in
FALSE PEDIGREE AND ARMS OF THE FAMILY OF BACON OF SUFFOLK, Edmund's
ancestry is not known. Margery Bacon who m. William de Moleyns was
their only child.
Margery's second husband was Nicholas la Beche. No children from this
marriage.
Margery Poynings Bacon Beche was forcibly abducted from the manor of
Beams, near Reading, by Sir John de Dalton, and she later married him.
No children. During the abduction of Margery, her brother Michael
"the uncle" was killed.
CP 10:659 note i
CIPM of Margery, late the wife of Nicholas de la Beche 9:236-9
CCR 1347 (erroneously marked 1327) Edw III v 8 p 271
Mardi
Patricia Junkin
nieces, daughters of his brother John who married Isabella Elbridge/Elmridg.
His first wife may have been an Etchingham. Nicholas and John were sons of
Sir Philip and Lady Joan la Zouche.
Pat
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>From: mard...@yahoo.com (Mardi Carter)
>To: GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com
>Subject: Re: Margery Poynings
>Date: Sun, Mar 23, 2003, 9:57 PM
Sutliff
What you have posted is correct. Nicholas de la Beche and Margery Poynings
appear to have had a son Nicholas who may have d.v.p. [VCH Berks IV:5]. I
have seen the remarks in same concerning the Aldworth tomb of Joan la Zouche
and the Zouche arms thereon. However, I have not seen anything which
attempts to place Joan among that family. Do you have any information which
further clarifies Joan's identity?
Thanks,
Hap
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