VISCOUNTI, HAWKWOOD, TYRELL
Adrian Channing
Andrew Visconti (brother of Otto, abp and Duke of Milan)
left
Theobald Visconti
left
Mattoe/Matthew I Duke of Milan (-1322) m Bonacossa Borri (-1321) d of
Squarcino
left
Stephen/Stefano Visconti (1328) m Valentina Doria
left
Barnabo/Barnabus Visconti (1323-1385 in prison) m 1350 Beatrice dela Scal
left
but his natural daughter
left
NN m c1377 Sir John Hawkwood (-1394 bur Duomo Cathedral, Florence, but the
removed to Sibil Hedingham, Essex)
left
Anticha (his dau, but was it by NN Visconti) m Sir William Coggeshall of
Codham Hall
left
Alice Coggeshall (-1422 ?bur East Horndon, Essex) mSir John Tyrell
(c1375-1437, bur Augustine Friars, London); MP; speaker of House of
Commons; at Agincourt. He m2 Catherine
left
Sir Thomas Tyrell (bfr 1397-1476 bur East Horndon, Essex, PCC Will); MP;
land owner mainly in Essex m Anne Marney (-bur East Horndon, Essex)
Adrian
ACha...@Compuserve.com
gentle friar "God give you peace."
Sir John Hawkwood "God take away your alms, know ye not that I live on
war, and that peace would undo me; and that just as I live on war so do you
on alms"
Francisco Antonio Doria
>
>Andrew Visconti (brother of Otto, abp and Duke of Milan)
>left
>Theobald Visconti
>left
>Mattoe/Matthew I Duke of Milan (-1322) m Bonacossa Borri (-1321) d of
>Squarcino
>left
>Stephen/Stefano Visconti (1328) m Valentina Doria
Violante Doria, m. 1317, d. of Bernabò Doria, murdered 1337, and of Eliana di Federigo Fieschi; gdaughter of Branca [means claw] Doria, murdered 1325, and of a d. of Miguel Sanchez, lord of Logudoro in Sardinia.
See Dante, Inferno 33, v. 134 for some info on what Branca Doria has done...
(Chico Doria)
John Steele Gordon
> Any comments and additions to the following?
>
> [snip]
> Barnabo/Barnabus Visconti (1323-1385 in prison) m 1350 Beatrice dela Scal
> left
> but his natural daughter
> left
> NN m c1377 Sir John Hawkwood (-1394 bur Duomo Cathedral, Florence, but the
> removed to Sibil Hedingham, Essex)
> left
> Anticha (his dau, but was it by NN Visconti) m Sir William Coggeshall of
> Codham Hall
> left
> Alice Coggeshall (-1422 ?bur East Horndon, Essex) mSir John Tyrell
> (c1375-1437, bur Augustine Friars, London); MP; speaker of House of
> Commons; at Agincourt. He m2 Catherine
> left
> Sir Thomas Tyrell (bfr 1397-1476 bur East Horndon, Essex, PCC Will); MP;
> land owner mainly in Essex m Anne Marney (-bur East Horndon, Essex)
The DNB, under Hawkwood, says "Neither the date nor the fact of Hawkwood's
first marriage has been established. Before his marriage with Bernabo
Visconti's natural daughter, Donnina, Hawkwood had, besides two sons, a
daughter Antiocha or Mary, who resided in 1379 at Milan with her husband, Sir
William de Coggeshall, afterwards of Codham Hall, Essex . . . . Corio . . .
mentions another daughter, Fiorentina, married to a Milanese noble, Lancellotto
del Mayno, and a third daughter, Beatrice appears in Berry's "County
Genealogies, Sussex," p. 62,, as the wife of John Shelley, M.P. for Rye between
1415 and 1423, an ancestor of the poet Shelley. By Donnina Hawkwood had one
son, John, and three daughters, viz., Janet, Catherine, and Anne."
John Steele Gordon
EWines
however it is my understanding he was buried in Florence inside the
Cathedral of Santa Maria Florida. Is this a part of the Duomo?
The buriel information was stated in "The History and Antiquities of the
County of Essex by Rev. Philip Morant, Vol II," originally published in
1763-1768 in London.
I am willing to learn anything about this colorful man of his times.
Francisco Antonio Doria <fad...@rio.com.br> wrote in article
<E0zhhps-...@copa.rio.com.br>...
> >Any comments and additions to the following?
> >
> >Andrew Visconti (brother of Otto, abp and Duke of Milan)
> >left
> >Theobald Visconti
> >left
> >Mattoe/Matthew I Duke of Milan (-1322) m Bonacossa Borri (-1321) d of
> >Squarcino
> >left
> >Stephen/Stefano Visconti (1328) m Valentina Doria
>
> Violante Doria, m. 1317, d. of Bernabò Doria, murdered 1337, and of
Eliana di Federigo Fieschi; gdaughter of Branca [means claw] Doria,
murdered 1325, and of a d. of Miguel Sanchez, lord of Logudoro in Sardinia.
>
> See Dante, Inferno 33, v. 134 for some info on what Branca Doria has
done...
>
> (Chico Doria)
>
> >left
> >Barnabo/Barnabus Visconti (1323-1385 in prison) m 1350 Beatrice dela
Scal
> >left
> >but his natural daughter
> >left
> >NN m c1377 Sir John Hawkwood (-1394 bur Duomo Cathedral, Florence, but
the
> >removed to Sibil Hedingham, Essex)
> >left
> >Anticha (his dau, but was it by NN Visconti) m Sir William Coggeshall of
> >Codham Hall
> >left
> >Alice Coggeshall (-1422 ?bur East Horndon, Essex) mSir John Tyrell
> >(c1375-1437, bur Augustine Friars, London); MP; speaker of House of
> >Commons; at Agincourt. He m2 Catherine
> >left
> >Sir Thomas Tyrell (bfr 1397-1476 bur East Horndon, Essex, PCC Will); MP;
> >land owner mainly in Essex m Anne Marney (-bur East Horndon, Essex)
> >
Adrian Channing
> I am new to this format and glad to find something of Sir John Hawkwood,
> however it is my understanding he was buried in Florence inside the
> Cathedral of Santa Maria Florida. Is this a part of the Duomo?
>
> The buriel information was stated in "The History and Antiquities of the
> County of Essex by Rev. Philip Morant, Vol II," originally published in
> 1763-1768 in London.
>
> I am willing to learn anything about this colorful man of his times.
>
> Francisco Antonio Doria <fad...@rio.com.br> wrote in article
> <E0zhhps-...@copa.rio.com.br>...
> > >Any comments and additions to the following?
> > >
It was me (Adrian) who stated Sir John Hawkwood was buried in The Duomo,
Francisco Antonio Doria was correcting my information.
Yes, Duomo cathedral is dedicated to the Madonna of Florence, Santa Maria
del Fiore (almost Florida!)
Towards the NW corner of the cathedral is an Equestrian memorial to Sir
John Hawkwood (Giovanni Acuto), a fresco giving the illusion of a
sculpture, by Andrea del Castagno (1456)
Adrian (Surrey, UK) ACha...@CompuServe.Com
sk...@ix.netcom.com
bands of brigands who plundered France in lulls in the hundred years'
war. Hawkwood went to Italy with his army and hired out to Barnabo
Visconti, who had ambitions to rule all of Lombardy. He switched
sides from time to time. Conan Doyle's book _The White Company_ might
be of interest to you. And see Costain, Thomas, _The Three Edwards_
pp. 414-418 (paperback edition). Costain, by the way names his wife:
Domnina. I believe his daughter's name is mistyped in this thread,
should be Antiocha not Anticha. Antiocha was an ancestor of Dorothy
Bell, wife of Henry Hobart; they were *NOT* (as some sources say) the
parents of the Edmund Hobart who emigrated from Hingham, Norfolk to
Bare Cove, Mass.
On Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:02:20 GMT, "EWines" <ewi...@starquest.net>
wrote:
>I am new to this format and glad to find something of Sir John Hawkwood,
>however it is my understanding he was buried in Florence inside the
>Cathedral of Santa Maria Florida. Is this a part of the Duomo?
>
>The buriel information was stated in "The History and Antiquities of the
>County of Essex by Rev. Philip Morant, Vol II," originally published in
>1763-1768 in London.
>
>I am willing to learn anything about this colorful man of his times.
>
>Francisco Antonio Doria <fad...@rio.com.br> wrote in article
><E0zhhps-...@copa.rio.com.br>...
>> >Any comments and additions to the following?
>> >
kabo...@worldnet.att.net
> John Hawkwood was leader of the "White Company." That was one of the
> bands of brigands who plundered France in lulls in the hundred years'
> war. Hawkwood went to Italy with his army and hired out to Barnabo
> Visconti, who had ambitions to rule all of Lombardy. He switched
> sides from time to time.
He also got wiped out from time to time, including the White Company. Hazardous
business he was in. He worked principally for Florence, which thought so highly
of him he was given a state funeral and there is a life-size equestrian painting
of him in the Cathedral. At Richard II's request his body was returned to
England for burial.
> Conan Doyle's book _The White Company_ might
> be of interest to you. And see Costain, Thomas, _The Three Edwards_
> pp. 414-418 (paperback edition). Costain, by the way names his wife:
> Domnina.
Conan-Doyle's The White Company is, of course, a novel (and I thought it a
page-turner when I read it about forty years ago). Costain, while non-fiction,
made no pretense to scholarship. Better sources on Hawkwood are:
F. Gaupp, "The Condottiere John Hawkwood," in History, Vol. 23 (1939) andN.
Ritchie, "Sir John Hawkwood 1320-1394: The first Anglo-Florentine," in History
Today, Vol. 10 (1977).
If anyone knows of others, I would be delighted to hear of them.
> I believe his daughter's name is mistyped in this thread,
> should be Antiocha not Anticha.
Antiocha (also called Mary) is, according to the DNB, a daughter by an unknown
previous wife, not Domnina Visconti.
> Antiocha was an ancestor of Dorothy
> Bell, wife of Henry Hobart; they were *NOT* (as some sources say) the
> parents of the Edmund Hobart who emigrated from Hingham, Norfolk to
> Bare Cove, Mass.
But she *is* the ancestor of Richmond Terrell (Tyrell), who emigrated to
Virginia, and of the Coggeshalls who emigrated to New England (Rhode Island, if
memory serves).
John Steele Gordon
Henry Sutliff
> John Hawkwood was leader of the "White Company." That was one of the
> bands of brigands who plundered France in lulls in the hundred years'
> war. Hawkwood went to Italy with his army and hired out to Barnabo
> Visconti, who had ambitions to rule all of Lombardy. He switched
> sides from time to time. Conan Doyle's book _The White Company_ might
> be of interest to you. And see Costain, Thomas, _The Three Edwards_
> pp. 414-418 (paperback edition). Costain, by the way names his wife:
> Domnina. I believe his daughter's name is mistyped in this thread,
> should be Antiocha not Anticha. Antiocha was an ancestor of Dorothy
> Bell, wife of Henry Hobart; they were *NOT* (as some sources say) the
> parents of the Edmund Hobart who emigrated from Hingham, Norfolk to
> Bare Cove, Mass.
On p. 207 in _The Royal Descents of 500 Immigrants_ , Gary Boyd Roberts
illustrates the descent from Richard Coote, 1st Earl of Bellomont (1636),
colonial governor of New York to Olivia (Mary) de Havilland, Academy Award
winning actress (and sister of Joan de Havilland Fontaine).
If Burke's Peerage (including Extinct) is to be believed, I also think that this
descent would tie back into this discussion. At generation 13 Roberts shows the
marriage of Elizabeth Blount (this is a typo as it should be Elizabeth St. John
married to Sir Richard St. George. This is the same Richard St. George who was
Clarenceux King-of-Arms whose name is familiar in various Visitations (his son
and grandsons were also various King-of Arms, ie. Garter, Blue Mantle, Norroy,
Richmond Herald, etc.)
I will present an incomplete AT for Sir Richard which I believe shows a descent
from Sir John Hawkwood (anyone please advise where faulty so I may correct if
wrong):
01 - Sir Richard St. George (Clarenceux King-of-Arms)
02 - Francis St. George (b. 1518, of Hatley St. George, Camb)
03 - Rose Hutton (?of Drayton, Camb)
04 - Thomas St. George (1473-1540)
05 - Audrey/Ethelreda Heigham (of Giffards, Suffolk)
08 - Richard St. George (1446-1496)
09 - Ann Burgoyne (of Impington, Camb.)
10 - Clement Heigham (d. 20 Mar 1519/20)
11 - Joan Cotton (of Landwade, Camb.)
16 - William St. George (d.1472)
17 - Katherine Manningham (?)
32 - John St. George (d. bef. 1425)
33 - Matilda Coggeshall (of Codham Hall, Essex) co-heir with sister Alice
66 - William de Coggeshall
67 - Mary (Antiocha) Hawkwood
134 - Sir John Hawkwood
Any help in correcting this is appreciated.
Henry Sutliff
Paul C Newfield
> >> >Alice Coggeshall (-1422 ?bur East Horndon, Essex) mSir John Tyrell
(c1375-1437, bur Augustine Friars, London); MP; speaker of House of
Commons; at Agincourt. He m2 Catherine; left Sir Thomas Tyrell (bfr
1397-1476 bur East Horndon, Essex, PCC Will); MP; land owner mainly in
Essex m Anne Marney (-bur East Horndon, Essex)
Per _Terrell Genealogy_, by Emma Dicken, (San Antonio, Texas, 1952,
p.4) "... Anna Marney was fourteenth in direct line of descent from
William the Conqueror."
Paul
++++
D. Spencer Hines
DSH
--
D. Spencer Hines --- "Non nobis, Domine, non nobis, sed Nomini Tuo da
gloriam, propter misericordiam Tuam et veritatem Tuam." Henry V,
[1387-1422] King of England --- Ordered it to be sung by his prelates
and chaplains --- after the Battle of Agincourt, 25 Oct 1415, ---
while every able-bodied man in his victorious army knelt, on the
ground. [Psalm CXV, Verse I]
Paul C Newfield wrote in message <76dj86$d...@junkie.gnofn.org>...
Hmmmmm, interesting language --- "in direct line of descent."
1. What, pray tell, is an "*indirect* line of descent from William
The Conqueror?"
2. Pity that Emma Dicken did not show the entire line to Anna Marney,
and let us judge for ourselves.
3. Does anyone have a citation for a good book or long article,
preferably book, on the Anglo-American craze to show "direct descent"
from William The Conqueror. The craze peaked in Late Victorian times,
did it not? But, it would be educational and entertaining to see the
entire arc of it, with dates, places, famous frauds and the families
they bilked --- several were in the "400" in New York, weren't they?
4. Morgan, Vanderbilt --- any of those folks get taken in by some
velvet-tongued genealogist manqué, with "documented" pedigrees on
"early vellum?"
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas
Illegitimis Non Carborundum
ray montgomery
Do you have this ancestry back to William the C?
i have marneys in my ancestry coming from the Bonhams of Early Mass and
NC.
I would like to compare this with what i have
Sincerely
RAY
>> >> >Alice Coggeshall (-1422 ?bur East Horndon, Essex) mSir John
>Tyrell
>(c1375-1437, bur Augustine Friars, London); MP; speaker of House of
>Commons; at Agincourt. He m2 Catherine; left Sir Thomas Tyrell (bfr
>1397-1476 bur East Horndon, Essex, PCC Will); MP; land owner mainly
>in
>Essex m Anne Marney (-bur East Horndon, Essex)
>
>Per _Terrell Genealogy_, by Emma Dicken, (San Antonio, Texas, 1952,
>p.4) "... Anna Marney was fourteenth in direct line of descent from
>William the Conqueror."
>
>Paul
>++++
>
>
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<shi...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>Vide infra.
>
>DSH
>--
>
>D. Spencer Hines --- "Non nobis, Domine, non nobis, sed Nomini Tuo da
>gloriam, propter misericordiam Tuam et veritatem Tuam." Henry V,
>[1387-1422] King of England --- Ordered it to be sung by his prelates
>and chaplains --- after the Battle of Agincourt, 25 Oct 1415, ---
>while every able-bodied man in his victorious army knelt, on the
>ground. [Psalm CXV, Verse I]
>
>Paul C Newfield wrote in message <76dj86$d...@junkie.gnofn.org>...
>>sk...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>>
>>> >> >Alice Coggeshall (-1422 ?bur East Horndon, Essex) mSir John
>Tyrell
>>(c1375-1437, bur Augustine Friars, London); MP; speaker of House of
>>Commons; at Agincourt. He m2 Catherine; left Sir Thomas Tyrell (bfr
>>1397-1476 bur East Horndon, Essex, PCC Will); MP; land owner mainly
>in
>>Essex m Anne Marney (-bur East Horndon, Essex)
>>
>>Per _Terrell Genealogy_, by Emma Dicken, (San Antonio, Texas, 1952,
>>p.4) "... Anna Marney was fourteenth in direct line of descent from
>>William the Conqueror."
>>
>>Paul
>>++++
>
>Hmmmmm, interesting language --- "in direct line of descent."
>
>1. What, pray tell, is an "*indirect* line of descent from William
>The Conqueror?"
One might be through a line involving adoption?
Another, though not even really "descent," might be by descent from a
wife's other husband.
Still another, strictly collateral, might be if William was the
ancestor's brother. No telling how far some might reach to say
they're related to a famous historical figure. If you generalize to
blood-lines, a good argument can be made that the brother-sister
relation is closer than the parent-child one.
>
>2. Pity that Emma Dicken did not show the entire line to Anna Marney,
>and let us judge for ourselves.
>
>3. Does anyone have a citation for a good book or long article,
>preferably book, on the Anglo-American craze to show "direct descent"
>from William The Conqueror. The craze peaked in Late Victorian times,
>did it not? But, it would be educational and entertaining to see the
>entire arc of it, with dates, places, famous frauds and the families
>they bilked --- several were in the "400" in New York, weren't they?
>
>4. Morgan, Vanderbilt --- any of those folks get taken in by some
>velvet-tongued genealogist manqué, with "documented" pedigrees on
>"early vellum?"
It's not confined to Late Victorians. See Wurts, Magna Charta (1945),
wherein regular supplements were published showing (presumably
would-be noble) subscribers who had traced, through the genealogies of
the sureties, their supposed ancestries back to this or that old king,
all by connecting-the-dots.
Really, by the time one traces back through a dozen generations of
humdrum ancestors and their dull siblings, it's kinda fun to stumble
over a William the Conqueror, or a Ptolemy or two; and the temptation
certainly exists to go looking for them. Until she died I used to
get a kick out of calling my sister de vez a vez, to tell her that she
was a 32d great-grand-daughter (or whatever) of Lady Godiva, and
where's the horse she came in on? or that she was a cousin of Aaron
Burr, and so on.
Carcano Lorenzo
de Aucut as he was called in Italy) wife? I have a daughter of John,
Fiorentina de Aucut, who married Lancillotto Del Majno, who links to the
noble Carcano family of Milan (via his daughter Elisabetta Del Majno). By
the way Agnese Del Majno was (one of the) mistress of the duke of Milan
F.Visconti, hence the fortune of this family.
As far as Visconti-Sforza I have an improved (not 100% complete) GEDCOM file
with some biographical notes and pictures, if of any interest. Would be glad
to share for additions and amendments.
Best wishes Lorenzo Carcano
sk...@ix.netcom.com ha scritto nel messaggio
<368b3a92....@news.supernews.com>...
John Hawkwood was leader of the "White Company." That was one of the
bands of brigands who plundered France in lulls in the hundred years'
war. Hawkwood went to Italy with his army and hired out to Barnabo
Visconti, who had ambitions to rule all of Lombardy. He switched
sides from time to time. Conan Doyle's book _The White Company_ might
be of interest to you. And see Costain, Thomas, _The Three Edwards_
pp. 414-418 (paperback edition). Costain, by the way names his wife:
Domnina. I believe his daughter's name is mistyped in this thread,
should be Antiocha not Anticha. Antiocha was an ancestor of Dorothy
Bell, wife of Henry Hobart; they were *NOT* (as some sources say) the
parents of the Edmund Hobart who emigrated from Hingham, Norfolk to
Bare Cove, Mass.
On Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:02:20 GMT, "EWines" <ewi...@starquest.net>
sk...@ix.netcom.com
Doria) wrote:
>>Any comments and additions to the following?
>>
>>Andrew Visconti (brother of Otto, abp and Duke of Milan)
>>left
>>Theobald Visconti
>>left
>>Mattoe/Matthew I Duke of Milan (-1322) m Bonacossa Borri (-1321) d of
>>Squarcino
>>left
>>Stephen/Stefano Visconti (1328) m Valentina Doria
>
>Violante Doria, m. 1317, d. of Bernabò Doria, murdered 1337, and of Eliana di Federigo Fieschi; gdaughter of Branca [means claw] Doria, murdered 1325, and of a d. of Miguel Sanchez, lord of Logudoro in Sardinia.
>
>See Dante, Inferno 33, v. 134 for some info on what Branca Doria has done...
I believe this reference should be to v. 137:
"137. Branca Doria: nobile genovese, genero di Michele Zanche,*
aspirando alla signoria del Logudoro, in Sardegna, invitò il suocero e
lo fece uccidere durante il pranzo. L'assassinio è del 1275, perciò
Branca Doria, ancor vivo nel corpo, è nella Tolomea da 25 anni."
________
* cf. canto XXII, v. 88 ff.
>
>(Chico Doria)
>
>>left
>>Barnabo/Barnabus Visconti (1323-1385 in prison) m 1350 Beatrice dela Scal
>>left
>>but his natural daughter
>>left
>>NN m c1377 Sir John Hawkwood (-1394 bur Duomo Cathedral, Florence, but the
>>removed to Sibil Hedingham, Essex)
>>left
>>Anticha (his dau, but was it by NN Visconti) m Sir William Coggeshall of
>>Codham Hall
>>left
>>Alice Coggeshall (-1422 ?bur East Horndon, Essex) mSir John Tyrell
>>(c1375-1437, bur Augustine Friars, London); MP; speaker of House of
>>Commons; at Agincourt. He m2 Catherine
>>left
>>Sir Thomas Tyrell (bfr 1397-1476 bur East Horndon, Essex, PCC Will); MP;
>>land owner mainly in Essex m Anne Marney (-bur East Horndon, Essex)
>>
Paul C Newfield
Anne Marney (14th generation from Wm/C) was living in the 1400s. If your
research only takes you back to Massachusetts (1600s at best), you gave a
lot of gaps to fill up before you can connect to this line.
Wm/C
Henry I
Matilda
Henry II
John
Henry III
Edward I
Joan Plantagenet/Gilbert de Clare
Eleanor de Clare/Hugh Despenser (remember Princess Diana?)
Isabel Despenser/Richard Fitzalen
Phillippa Fitzalen/Sir Richard Serjeaux
Elizabeth Serjeaux/Sir Willian Marney
Sir John Marney/Agnes Throckmorton
Anna Marney/Sir Thomas Tyrrell of Heron.
(No guarantee as to the acciracy of this info.)
Paul Newfield
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On Wed, 30 Dec 1998, ray montgomery wrote:
> Paul
> Do you have this ancestry back to William the C?
> i have marneys in my ancestry coming from the Bonhams of Early Mass and
> NC.
> I would like to compare this with what i have
> Sincerely
> RAY
> >> >> >Alice Coggeshall (-1422 ?bur East Horndon, Essex) mSir John
> >Tyrell
> >(c1375-1437, bur Augustine Friars, London); MP; speaker of House of
> >Commons; at Agincourt. He m2 Catherine; left Sir Thomas Tyrell (bfr
> >1397-1476 bur East Horndon, Essex, PCC Will); MP; land owner mainly
> >in
> >Essex m Anne Marney (-bur East Horndon, Essex)
> >
> >Per _Terrell Genealogy_, by Emma Dicken, (San Antonio, Texas, 1952,
> >p.4) "... Anna Marney was fourteenth in direct line of descent from
> >William the Conqueror."
> >
> >Paul
> >++++
> >
> >
>
Francisco Antonio Doria
>
>"137. Branca Doria: nobile genovese, genero di Michele Zanche,*
>aspirando alla signoria del Logudoro, in Sardegna, invitò il suocero e
>lo fece uccidere durante il pranzo. L'assassinio è del 1275, perciò
>Branca Doria, ancor vivo nel corpo, è nella Tolomea da 25 anni."
>__
Yes. Only Michele Zanche is Miguel Sanchez. He was a Catalan, I think.
Chico Doria
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ray montgomery
Do you have any tufels of this family???
it seems i have this info, but i would like any other info you have????
Sincerely
RAY
On Fri, 1 Jan 1999 08:08:45 -0600 (CST) Paul C Newfield <pc...@gnofn.org>
writes:
Carcano Lorenzo
- Fiorentina de Aucut and Antiochia de Aucut were sisters, both daughters of
Donnina and John
- Donnina was daughter (natural?) of Bernabo' Visconti
In facts one of the sons of Lancellotto 1° del Majno and Fiorentina was
Bernabo', the others being Giovanni (John), Giorgio, Luigi, Elisabetta
(married to Antonio Carcano) and Rosanna (married to Francesco Castiglioni).
Source: Enrico Casanova: Nobiltà Lombarda, Genealogie
Does anyone have a GEDCOM file for Antiochia, sister of Fiorentina or John
Hawkwood?
Many thanks . Lorenzo Carcano
sk...@ix.netcom.com ha scritto nel messaggio
<368cc07d...@news.supernews.com>...
Paul C Newfield
> it seems i have this info, but i would like any other info you have????
> Sincerely
> RAY
Sorry Ray, This is about as good as I have. Best wishes,
Paul
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