Margaret de Verdun Pilkington?

[Jamey McLoughlin]

Hi,

I have that Sir John Pilkington married Margaret de Verdun ca 1383.
Who was Margaret's parents and does she come down the same line as
John de Verdon (Lord of Westmeath) and Margery de Lacy?

Jamey McLoughlin
jam...@usit.net

[douglasr...@hotmail.com]

Hi Jamey:

Here is your Verdun-Pilkington line:

1. John de Verdun, of Bressingham, Norfolk, and Culpho, Suffolk,
married Isabel, daughter of Simon Fitz Simon, of Brixworth, co.
Northampton.

2. Sir John de Verdun, of Bressingham, Saxlingham, and Great Moulton,
Norfolk, born 1256, died 1295. He married about 1272 to Alianor,
daughter of Thomas de Furnival (died 1291), of Sheffield, co. York (of
Carolingian descent). He was heir in 1280 to his uncle, Simon Fitz
John, by which he inherited the manors of Brixworth and Cranford St.
John, co. Northampton.

3. Sir Thomas de Verdun, of Brixworth, Cranford St. John, co.
Northampton, and Bressingham, Norfolk, son and heir, born 1276, died
1315. He was married about 1295, to Margaret de Knoville, daughter of
Bewes de Knoville, lst Lord Knoville, of Blanchminster, co. Salop.

4. Sir John de Verdun, of Brixworth and Cranford St. John, co.
Northampton, Bressingham, Norfolk, etc., born 1249, died c. 1376. He
was married (lst) in or before 1325/6, to Agnes (____).

5. Edmund de Verdun, of Stagenhoe (in St. Paul's Walden), co. Hertford,
son and heir apparent, born say 1325, died v.p. He married before in
or before 1350/1, to Joan (_____).

6. Margaret (or Margery) Verdun, daughter and heiress, born say 1355,
died 1436. She married (lst) before 1379 to Hugh de Bradshagh, Knt.
(died 1383). She married (2nd) in 1383 to Sir John Pilkington (died
1421), of Pilkington (in Prestwich), co. Lancaster.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

E-mail: royala...@msn.com

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[douglasr...@hotmail.com]

Dear Newsgroup:

In my post below, I inadvertedly posted that Sir John de Verdun (Gen.
No. 4) was born in 1249 and died c. 1376. I meant to type he was born
on 24 January 1299 and died c. 1376.

The Verdun-Bradshagh-Pilkington descent below is ancestral to the
following immigrants:

1. Thomas Bressey

2. Elizabeth (Butler) Claiborne, of VA

3. Agatha (Eltonhead) Wormeley Chicheley, Martha (Eltonhead) Conway,
Alice (Eltonhead) Burnham Corbin Creyk, Jane (Eltonhead) Morison
Fenwick, and Eleanor (Eltonhead) Brocas Carter.

4. Simon Lynde, of MA

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

E-mail: royala...@msn.com

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

E-mail: royala...@msn.com

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[douglasr...@hotmail.com]

Dear Newsgroup:

In my post below, I inadvertedly posted that Sir John de Verdun (Gen.
No. 4) was born in 1249 and died c. 1376. I meant to type he was born
on 24 January 1299 and died c. 1376.

The Verdun-Bradshagh-Pilkington descent below is ancestral to the
following immigrants:

1. Thomas Bressey

2. Elizabeth (Butler) Claiborne, of VA

3. Agatha (Eltonhead) Wormeley Chicheley, Martha (Eltonhead) Conway,
Alice (Eltonhead) Burnham Corbin Creyk, Jane (Eltonhead) Morison
Fenwick, and Eleanor (Eltonhead) Brocas Carter.

4. Simon Lynde, of MA

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

E-mail: royala...@msn.com

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

E-mail: royala...@msn.com

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douglasr...@hotmail.com wrote:

[gwenpt]

Dear Jamey
Do you have any more on the Pilkington line ? I would be very interested to
see it

Regards Gwen

Jamey McLoughlin wrote in message <3a498871...@news.usit.net>...

[rta...@my-deja.com]

>
> 6. Margaret (or Margery) Verdun, daughter and heiress, born say 1355,
> died 1436. She married (lst) before 1379 to Hugh de Bradshagh, Knt.
> (died 1383). She married (2nd) in 1383 to Sir John Pilkington (died
> 1421), of Pilkington (in Prestwich), co. Lancaster.
>

Did John Pilkington and Margery de Verdun have a daughter, Elizabeth,
who married a Sir William Atherton? If yes, I have a completely
unsubstantiated descent to Robert Abell if anyone's interested...

Thanks, Roger

[Sutliff]

Oliver Manwaring of New London, CT (1634-1723) also descends from the same
Sir William Atherton and Elizabeth Pilkington. Some of the documentation can
be found in VCH Lancs. Elizabeth Pilkington was daughter of a Sir John
Pilkington, but I have not yet researched the Pilkingtons to answer your
question.

Sir William Atherton of Atherton, Lancs. + Elizabeth Pilkington
Sir William Atherton (d. 1440) + Margaret Byron
Margery Atherton + John Ireland of Hale and The Hutt, Lancs. (d. 1462)
William Ireland (d.1503) + Eleanor Molyneux (supposedly of Sefton, Lancs.,
but cannot place her as yet)
Alice Ireland (d. 1536) + William Moore (d. 1541) of Bank Hall, Cheshire
Elizabeth Moore + Thomas Torbock (d. 1554) of Torbock, Lancs.
William Torbock (d. 1558) + Catherine Gerard
Margaret Torbock (1558-1643) + Oliver II Mainwaring (1559-abt 1608)
Oliver III Mainwaring (abt 1587-1671/2) + Prudence Esse
Oliver Manwaing of New London,. the immigrant

Best regards,

Henry Sutliff

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Do you know if Atherton Haugh (c. 1579-Sep 11, 1650), who married
Elizabeth Bulkeley and settled in Boston, was related to your Sir
William Atherton. I know nothing about Atherton Haugh's ancestry. He
was well educated though, and his son Samual Haugh was a minister.

Shawn Potter