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John Ravilious
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Subject: Re: Elizabeth de Burgh (d. 10 Dec 1363)
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 16:48:14 -0500
From: roberd...@netscape.net (John Ravilious)
To: Xan...@Wanadoo.fr
Cc: GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com
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Saturday, 13 January, 2001
Hello Annie,
Here is an AT for Elizabeth de Burgh, wife of Lionel 'of Antwerp', Duke of
Clarence. [I have noted where another Elizabeth de Burgh, 2nd wife of Robert
'the' Bruce, King of Scots comes into 'play'.]
1. Elizabeth de Burgh, b. 6 July 1332; m. 9 Sept 1342 to Lionel, Duke of
Clarence, son of King Edward III of England and Philippa of Hainaut; she d.
10 December 1363
2. William de Burgh, Earl of Ulster, b. 17 Sept 1312; d. 6 June 1333 Le Ford
[Belfast], Ulster
3. Maud of Lancaster; d. 5 May 1377
4. John de Burgh, heir to Earl of Ulster, b. ca. 1290; d.v.p. 18 June 1313
5. Elizabeth de Clare, coheiress of brother Gilbert, Earl of Gloucester; b.
16 Sept 1295; d. 4 November 1360
6. Henry 'of Grosmont', Earl of Lancaster and Leicester, b. ca. 1281; m. ca.
March 1297 (see 7 below); d. 22 September 1345
7. Maud de Chaworth; d. before 3 December 1322
8. Richard de Burgh, Earl of Ulster; m. ca. 1280 (see 9 below); d. before 29
July 1326
9. Margaret [claimed in certain sources to be either de Burgh or de Grelle;
not proven]
* daughter of 8 and 9: Elizabeth de Burgh, Queen of Scots; m. ca. 1302 as
second wife, Robert 'the Bruce', King of Scots; she d. 27 October 1327
10. Gilbert 'the Red' de Clare, Earl of Gloucester and Hertford, b. 2
September 1243; m. 30 April 1290 (second wife: see #11 below); d.7 December
1295
11. Joan 'of Acre', b. 1272; d. 23 April 1307
12. Edmund 'Crouchback', Earl of Lancaster; b. 16 january 1245; m. 1260 (see
#13 below); d. 5 June 1296
13. Blanche of Artois
14. Sir Patrick de Chaworth, of Kidwelly and Kempsford; d. before 7 July 1283
15. Isabel de Beauchamp; d. before 30 May 1306
16. Walter de Burgh, Lord of Connaught and Earl of Ulster; d. 28 July 1271
17. Aveline FitzJohn, daughter of Sir John FitzGeoffrey, Justiciar of
Ireland; d. ca. 20 May 1274
18.
19.
20. Richard de Clare, Earl of Gloucester and Hertford; d. 4 August 1222; m.
before 26 Jan 1237 (see #21 below); d. 15 July 1262
21. Maud de Lacy, daughter of John de Lacy, Earl of Lincoln; b. ca. 1223; d.
before 10 March 1288
22. Edward I, King of England (and Duke of Aquitaine), b. 17 June 1239; m.
1st. October 1254 (see #23 below); d. 7 July 1307
23. Eleanor of Castile, daughter of King Ferdinand III of Castile; b. 1241;
d. 28 November 1290
24. Henry III, King of England (and Duke of Aquitaine) - Also father of #22
above - b. 1 October 1207; m. 4 January 1236 (see #25 below); d. 16 November
1272
25. Eleanor of Provence, daughter of Count Ramon-Berengar V of Provence; b.
1223; d. 24 June 1291
26. Robert, Count of Artois, d. 1270
27. Maud [Mahaut] of Brabant, daughter of Duke Henry II of Brabant
28. Patrick de Chaworth
29. Hawise de Londres [London]
30. William de Beauchamp, Earl of Warwick; m. before 1270 (see #31 below); d.
ca. 9 June 1298
31. Maud FitzJohn, daughter of Sir John FitzGeoffrey [sister of #17]; d. 17
April 1301
Hope this helps.
Good Luck, and Good Hunting.
John
"Annie Natalelli-Waloszek" <Xan...@Wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>
> Dear Susanne:
>
> I have come across a similar conflict of dates on Elizabeth de Burgh,
second
> wife of Robert "the" Bruce... one source (giving her father's ascendancy in
a
> quite credible manner, but giving only her marraige to Antwerp, not finding
> that to Bruce), gives her father's birth date as 1312, 6 years after her
> marraige to Rbt the Bruce in second noces for both of them (If I haven't
> remembered them out of order) which I hope you can put to rest for me...
>
> I'm also hoping you'll have a full line on Elizabeth de Burgh from which to
> deduct whether it is possible I can look for a link from her to another
line,
> using de Burgh as an alias... Borrow(e).
>
> Annie
>
>
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