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John Ravilious and his Crusading Ancestors

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Leo van de Pas

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Jan 21, 2004, 6:45:27 PM1/21/04
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The obvious object for this kind of list is, of course, John Ravilious himself. I think he has more crusading ancestors than George Bush. I know only very little about the ancestors of John Ravilious and he did not contribute to this list. This is going to be my last list. On request of Doug McDonald I am adding details and hope that this will make the list more useful. Depending how it goes I may have to make two or more messages out of this.

Amadeo III, Count of Savoie, 1092-1148
===ancestor of Sancho I, King of Portugal, Abel King od Denmark, Philippe III King of France,
===Edward I, King of England

Baudouin II, Count of Hainault 1056-1098
===ancestor of Louis VIII, King of France, Edward III, King of England

Bernard III de St.Valery
===ancestor of Jean II, King of France, Walter 6th Lord High Steward of Scotland, Richard II, King of England, James I, King of Scots, Henry IV, King of England, Henry VII, King of England

Edmund Crouchback, Earl of Lancaster, 1245-1296
===ancestor of Henry IV, King of England, Henry VII, King of England, Henry 'Hotspur' Percy,
===Duarte, King of Portugal, James II, King of Scots, Emperor Maximilian I, Isabella the ===Catholic

Enguerrand I de Coucy
===ancestor of Alexander III, King of Scots, Jean II, King of France, John of Gaunt, Lionel of ===Antwerp, Thomas of Woodstock, James II, King of Scots, Edward IV, King of England, ===Elizabeth Woodville, Henry VII, King of England

Etienne 'Tete Hardi' de Bourgogne, Count of Macon, -1102
===ancestor of Emperor Heinrich VI, Philippe III, King of France, Edward I, King of England

Eudes I, Duke of Burgundy, 1060-1102
===ancestor of Philippe IV, King of France, Edward II, King of England

Foulques V the Young, Count of Anjou, 1092-1144
===ancestor of Henry II, King of England, Louis VIII, King of France, Alfonso III, King of Portugal

Gauthier de St.Valery
===ancestor of Jean II, King of France, Walter 6th Lord High Steward of Scotland,
===James I, King of Scots, Henry VII, King of England

Geoffrey V, Count of Anjou, 1113-1151
===ancestor of Henry II, King of England

Geoffroy de Preuilly dit Jordan, 1070-1103
===ancestor of Richard II, King of England, James II, King of Scots, Edward IV, King of England,
===Henry VII, King of England

Geoffroy III de Rancon, 1100-1153
===ancestor of John Howard, 1st Duke of Norfolk, Charles VIII, King of France, Elizabeth ===Woodville, James II, King of Scots, Anne Boleyn, Henry VII, King of England

Gui II, Count of Rochefort -1108
===ancestor of Robert The Bruce, King of Scots, Gian Galeazzo Visconti, Duke of Milan,
===anti-Pope Clemente VII, anti-Pope Felix V, Charles VI, King of France, James I, King of
===Scots, Gilles de Retz (Blue Beard), Edward IV, King of England, Henry VII, King of England

see my second message for the following

Guillermo V il Vecchio, Marchese de Monferrato, 1110-1191
Guy II, Count of Ponthieu, -1147
Hugues VI le Brun de Lusignan 1050-1106
Hugues I le Grand, Count of Vermandois, 1057-1102
Hugues VIII le Brun de Lusignan, 1120-1173
Hugues III, Duke of Burgundy, 1148-1192
Hugues le Brun de Lusignan, Count de La Marche, -1219
Hugues X le Brun de Lusginan -1249
Hugues XI le Brun de Lusignan, -1250
Jean I, Count of Ponthieu, 1140-1191
Jean de Brienne, King of Jerusalem, 1168-1237
John de Lacy, 1st Earl of Lincoln, 1192-1240
Leopold II, Markgraf of Ostmark, -1102
Louis VII, King of France, 1120-1180
Pierre I de France, Sire de Courtenay, 1126-1180
Raoul de Lusignan dit d'Issoudun, Count of Eu, -1219
Raymond, Count of Burgundy, -1107
Renaud II de St.Valery -1166
Robert de Quincy -1197
Robert III de Beaumont, 3rd Earl of Leicester, 1135-1190
Robert I, Count of Artois, 1216-1250
Roger de Quincy, 2nd Earl of Winchester, -1264
Saher de Quincy, 1st Earl of Winchester, 1155-1219
Simon de St.Liz, Earl of Huntingdon, -1111
Stephen, Count de Blois, 1045-1102
Thierry d'Alsace, Count of Flanders, 1098-1168
Thomas de Marle, Sire de Coucy, 1073-1129
Welf IV, Duke of Bavaria 1036-1101
William de Ferrers, 3rd Earl of Derby, 1150-1190
William d'Aubigny, 3rd Earl of Arundel 1173-1221

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Jan 21, 2004, 7:45:36 PM1/21/04
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Wednesday, 21 January, 2004


Dear Leo,

I hadn't planned on a post re: my own ancestry, although there's
certainly no problem in that regard....

It would appear you are correct in your comparison with George 'W' and
his Crusading predecessors. I will compare your list with my own (I think you
show one or two I haven't identified as a Crusader). However, the list below
shows those individuals I have identified as involved in at least one
'crusade', including those ventures to Spain (William St. Clair, and James le Douglas,
for two) and a rather late 14th century foray (Hugh de Stafford, 2nd Earl of
Stafford, d. at Rhodes in 1386). My total count, with those inclusions,
stands at 102.

Cheers,

John *

Last Name First Name Birth Date Birth Place Death Date

of Alsace Thierry
of Angouleme Guillaume IV Aug 1179
of Anjou Charles 1227 posthumous 7 Jan 1284
of Apulia Bohemund
of Aquitaine Eleanor abt 1122 Chateau de Belin-Beliet, Gironde
31 Mar 1204
of Artois Robert Sep 1216 8 Feb 1249
of Aumale Stephen ca 1127
of Avesnes Jacques 7 Sep 1191
of Bar Theobald I ca 1160 13 Feb 1214
of Bavaria Welf IV 9 Nov 1101
de Beaumont Robert 31 Aug 1190
of Blois Stephen-Henry 18 May 1102
du Bouchet Barthelemy 'le Riche' 1148
of Brabant Henry I ca 1233
de Brienne Erard I 1114
de Brienne Erard II 8 Feb 1191
de Brienne Gautier II 1161
of Burgundy Eudes I 'the Red' 1102
of Burgundy Hugh III 25 Aug 1192
of Burgundy Raymond ca 1070 bef 21 Sep 1107
of Champagne Henry 17 Mar 1181
of Champagne Thibault IV 1201 Pamplona, Navarre 8 Jul 1253
de Chateaudun Geoffroi VI 6 Feb 1250
of Chatillon Reynald 4 Jul 1187
of Chester Mabel
de Coucy Enguerrand I 1116
de Coucy Enguerrand II 1148
de Coucy Raoul I Nov 1191
de Coucy Thomas ca 1131
de Craon Maurice II 12 Jul 1196
D'Aubigny William ca 1 Feb 1221
Douglas William 1391
de Dreux Pierre 'Mauclerc' 1191 May 1250
of Dreux Robert II ca 1154 28 Dec 1218
of Dunbar Patrick aft 14 Apr 1248
of the Empire Frederick 'Barbarossa' ca 1122 10 Jun 1190
of England Henry II 'Curtmantle' 5 Mar 1132 Le Mans, Maine 6 Jul
1189
de Ferrers William bef 21 Oct 1190
of Flanders Baldwin IX Jul 1171 11 Jun 1205
of Formbach Ida aft Aug 1101
of France Philip II 'Augustus' 22 Aug 1165 1223
de Furnival Gerard
de Gael Ralph aft 1096
de Geneville Geoffrey abt 1226 21 Oct 1314
de Glanville Hervey
de Glanville Ranulf abt 1120 Suffolk bef 21 Oct 1190
de Gournay Gerard ca 1104
de Gournay Hugh V ca 1148 25 Sep 1214
of Gueldres Otto I bef 24 Sep 1207
of Hainault Baldwin II 1098
de Harcourt William 1228
of Holland Floris III ca 1140 1 Aug 1190
of Jerusalem Baldwin II 21 Aug 1131
de Joinville Geoffrey IV Aug 1190
de Joinville Simon ca Apr 1233
Keith Sir William 1336
de Lacy John abt 1192 22 Jul 1240
of Lancaster Edmund 16 Jan 1244 London 5 Jun 1296
de St. Liz Simon ca 1112
Longespee Sir William bef 12 May 1205 7 Feb 1249
Lovel William bef 1214
de Lusignan Hugh IX ca 1163 5 Nov 1219
de Lusignan Hugh VI 18 May 1102
de Lusignan Hugh X 'le Brun' ca 1195 aft 15 Jan 1249
de Lusignan Hugh XI 'le Brun' 1221 Apr 1250
de Lusignan Raoul 1 May 1219
of Macon Etienne 'Tete-hardi' 18 May 1102
de Meulan Waleran 1104 10 Apr 1166
de Mohun William ca 1193
of Montferrat William III 1191
de Montlhery Guy II 1108
de Montlhery Milon aft 1102
de Mortimer Roger ca 1231 27 Oct 1282
de Mowbray Nigel 1191
de Mowbray Roger 1188
de Mowbray William bef Apr 1224
of Nevers Robert 'the Burgundian' aft 1098
de Preuilly Geoffroy III 18 May 1102
de Quincy Robert bef 1198
de Quincy Roger 25 Apr 1264
de Quincy Saier IV abt 1155 3 Nov 1219
de Rancon Geoffroy III
de Sable Robert 13 Jan 1196
of Savoy Amadeus III ca 1090 30 Mar 1148
le Scrope Stephen ca 1345 25 Jan 1405
St.Clair Sir William 25 Aug 1330
de Stafford Hugh abt 1341 16 Oct 1386
le Steward Alexander 1214 1283
of Strathbogie David 6 Aug 1270
de Stuteville Osmund ca 1140 bef 1194
de Tosny Roger aft 29 Dec 1208
of Turenne Boson I 1092
of Turenne Raymond I ca 1127
de Turnham Robert 1211
de St. Valery Bernard bef 1130
de St. Valery Reginald bef 1168
de St. Valery Walter
de Verdun Bertram ca 1137 ca 1191
de Verdun John abt 1226 21 Oct 1274
of Vermandois Ada (Adelaide) 28 Sep 1120
of Vermandois Hugh 'le Maisne'' ca 1057 18 Oct 1101
von Wittelsbach Otto IV 1 Jul 1183


Total Count = 102

* John P. Ravilious

Doug McDonald

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Jan 22, 2004, 10:26:56 AM1/22/04
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Leo van de Pas wrote:
>
> The obvious object for this kind of list is, of course, John Ravilious himself. I think he has more crusading ancestors than George Bush. I know only very little about the ancestors of John Ravilious and he did not contribute to this list. This is going to be my last list. On request of Doug McDonald I am adding details and hope that this will make the list more useful. Depending how it goes I may have to make two or more messages out of this.
>
> Amadeo III, Count of Savoie, 1092-1148
> ===ancestor of Sancho I, King of Portugal, Abel King od Denmark, Philippe III King of France,
> ===Edward I, King of England
>

Thanks Leo, this is a wonderful thing.

Doug

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