Henry SPENCER & Isabella LINCOLN
D. Spencer Hines
about 1477/78. He was married to Isabella LINCOLN.
Henry and Isabella are reportedly the 15th Great-Grandparents of Sir
Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill [1874-1965] and the 16th
Great-Grandparents of Lady Diana Spencer [Diana, Princess of Wales]
[1961-1997] as well as the 17th Great-Grandparents of her son, Prince
William.
Henry and Isabella, by some accounts, also appear to be the 16th
Great-Grandparents of Charles, Prince of Wales [1948- ].
Is this all tommyrot, or can it be proven? If it is true, who are the
parents of Henry SPENCER of Bodby, Northamptonshire [Northants?].
Thank you.
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas
--
D. Spencer Hines --- "All good things to those who wait." --- Dr.
Hannibal Lecter [Anthony Hopkins] to Agent Clarice Starling [Jodie
Foster] in "The Silence of the Lambs" [1991]
ED MANN
>
> Henry SPENCER of Bodby, Northamptonshire, England, allegedly died
> about 1477/78. He was married to Isabella LINCOLN.
>
> Henry and Isabella are reportedly the 15th Great-Grandparents of Sir
> Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill [1874-1965] and the 16th
> Great-Grandparents of Lady Diana Spencer [Diana, Princess of Wales]
> [1961-1997] as well as the 17th Great-Grandparents of her son, Prince
> William.
>
> Henry and Isabella, by some accounts, also appear to be the 16th
> Great-Grandparents of Charles, Prince of Wales [1948- ].
>
> Is this all tommyrot, or can it be proven? If it is true, who are the
> parents of Henry SPENCER of Bodby, Northamptonshire [Northants?].
The purported descents are as follows, sources as shown:
Descendants of Henry Spencer
1 Henry SPENCER - 1477 ref #: AAP:239
+Isabella LINCOLN ref #: AAP:239
2 William SPENCER ref #: AAP:239
+Elizabeth EMPSON ref #: AAP:239
3 John SPENCER 1460 - 1522 ref #: AAP:239
+Isabel GRAUNT ref #: AAP:239
4 William SPENCER - 1532 ref #: BPci:1456
+Susan KNIGHTLY ref #: AAP:239
5 John SPENCER - 1586 ref #: BPci:1456
+Katherine KYTSON 1525 - ref #: BPci:1456
6 John SPENCER - 1598/99 ref #: BPci:1456
+Mary CATLYN ref #: BP1:627
7 Robert SPENCER 1570 - 1627 aka: 1st Baron Spencer ref #: BPci:1456
+Margaret WILLOUGHBY - 1597 ref #: BP1:627
8 William SPENCER 1592 - 1636 aka: 2d Baron Spencer ref #: BPci:1456
+Penelope WRIOTHESLEY - 1667 ref #: BxP:594
9 Henry SPENCER 1620 - 1643 aka: 1st Earl of Sunderland ref #:
(BxP:525)
+Dorothy SYDNEY 1617 - 1683/84 ref #: BxP:525
10 Robert SPENCER 1640 - 1702 aka: 2d Earl of Sunderland ref #:
BPci:1457
+Anne DIGBY - 1715 ref #: BxP:171
11 Charles SPENCER 1674 - 1722 aka: 3d Earl of Sunderland ref #:
BPci:1457
+Arabella CAVENDISH - 1698 ref #: BxP:110
*2nd Wife of Charles Spencer:
+Anne CHURCHILL 1684 - 1716 ref #: BPci:1457
12 Charles SPENCER 1706 - 1758 aka: 3d Duke of Marlborough ref #:
BPci:1457
+Elizabeth TREVOR - 1761
13 George SPENCER 1738/39 - 1817 aka: 4th Duke of Marlborough ref #:
BPci:1457
+Caroline RUSSELL 1743 - 1811 ref #: BPci:183
14 George SPENCER-CHURCHILL 1766 - 1840 aka: 5th Duke of Marlborough
ref #: BPci:1458
+Susan STEWART - 1841 ref #: BPci:882
15 George SPENCER-CHURCHILL 1793 - 1857 aka: 6th Duke of Marlborough
ref #: BPci:1458
+Jane STEWART - 1844
16 John Winston SPENCER-CHURCHILL 1822 - 1883 aka: 7th Duke of
Marlborough ref #: BPci:1458
+Frances Anne Emily VANE - 1899
17 Randolph Henry SPENCER-CHURCHILL 1849 - 1895 ref #: BPci:1458
+Jeanette JEROME - 1921 ref #: BPci:1458
18 Winston Leonard CHURCHILL 1874 - 1965 ref #: BPci:1458
+Clementine Ogilvy HOZIER 1885 - ref #: BPci:1458
19 Randolph Frederick Edward CHURCHILL 1911 -
12 John SPENCER 1708 - 1746 ref #: BPci:2045
+Georgina Carolina CARTERET - 1780 ref #: BxP:109
13 John SPENCER 1734 - 1783 aka: 1st Earl Spencer ref #: BPci:2045
+Georgiana POYNTZ 1737 - 1814
14 George John SPENCER 1758 - 1834 aka: 2d Earl Spencer
+Lavinia BINGHAM 1762 - 1831
15 Frederick SPENCER 1798 - 1857 aka: 4th Earl Spencer ref #:
BPci:2045
+Elizabeth Georgina POYNTZ 1799 - 1851 ref #: (BPci:2045)
*2nd Wife of Frederick Spencer:
+Adelaide Horatia Elizabeth SEYMOUR 1825 - 1877 ref #: BPci:1091
16 [10] Charles Robert SPENCER 1857 - 1922 aka: K.G. / 6th Earl
Spencer ref #: BPci:2045
+[9] Margaret BARING 1868 - 1906 ref #: BPci:1836
17 [2] Albert Edward John SPENCER 1892 - 1975 aka: 7th Earl Spencer
ref #: (see notes)
+[1] Cynthia Eleanor Beatrix HAMILTON 1897 - 1972 aka: Lady
Cynthia Hamilton D.C.V.O.
18 [3] Edward John SPENCER 1924 - 1992 aka: 8th Earl Spencer ref #:
(AACPW:22)
+[4] Frances Ruth BURKE ROCHE 1936 - ref #: AACPW:22.6
19 [5] Diana Frances SPENCER 1961 - 1997 ref #: AAP:347
+[6] Charles Philip Arthur George WINDSOR 1948 - ref #: AAP:347
20 [7] William Arthur Philip Louis WINDSOR 1982 - ref #: AACPW:22.8
*2nd Wife of [3] Edward John Spencer:
+[8] Raine MCCORQUODALE 1929 - aka: Countess of Dartmouth
13 [14] Elizabeth SPENCER ref #: (BxP:187)
+[13] Scroope EGERTON 1681 - 1744/45 aka: 4th Earl / 1st Duke of
Bridgewater ref #: BxP:187
14 [15] Anne EGERTON 1700 - 1762 ref #: BxP:187
+[16] William VILLIERS - 1769 aka: 3d Earl of Jersey
15 [17] George Bussy VILLIERS 1735 - 1805 aka: 4th Earl of Jersey
+[18] Frances TWYSDEN
16 [19] Caroline Elizabeth VILLIERS - 1835
+[20] Henry William PAGET 1768 - 1854 aka: 1st Marquess of
Anglesey ref #: (BPci:1842)
17 [21] Caroline PAGET - 1874 ref #: (BPci:1842)
+[22] Charles LENNOX 1791 - 1860 aka: 5th Duke of Richmond ref #:
BPci:1842
18 [23] Cecilia Catherine LENNOX - 1910 ref #: BPci:1843
+[24] George BINGHAM 1830 - 1914 aka: 4th Earl of Lucan ref #:
(BPci:4)
19 [12] Rosalind Cecilia Caroline BINGHAM 1869 - 1958 ref #:
(BPci:4)
+[11] James Albert Edward HAMILTON 1869 - 1953 aka: 3d Duke of
Abercorn ref #: BPci:4
20 [1] Cynthia Eleanor Beatrix HAMILTON 1897 - 1972 aka: Lady Cynthia
Hamilton D.C.V.O.
+[2] Albert Edward John SPENCER 1892 - 1975 aka: 7th Earl Spencer
ref #: (see notes)
21 [3] Edward John SPENCER 1924 - 1992 aka: 8th Earl Spencer ref #:
(AACPW:22)
+[4] Frances Ruth BURKE ROCHE 1936 - ref #: AACPW:22.6
22 [5] Diana Frances SPENCER 1961 - 1997 ref #: AAP:347
+[6] Charles Philip Arthur George WINDSOR 1948 - ref #: AAP:347
23 [7] William Arthur Philip Louis WINDSOR 1982 - ref #: AACPW:22.8
*2nd Wife of [3] Edward John Spencer:
+[8] Raine MCCORQUODALE 1929 - aka: Countess of Dartmouth
*2nd Husband of [15] Anne Egerton:
+[25] Wriothesley RUSSELL 1708 - 1732 aka: 3d Duke of Bedford ref
#: BPci:182
*3rd Wife of Charles Spencer:
+Judith TICHBORNE - 1749 ref #: BPci:1457
10 Dorothy SPENCER
+William SAVILE - 1695 aka: 1st Marquess of Halifax ref #: BxP:475
11 William SAVILE 1665 - 1700 aka: 2d Marquess of Halifax ref #:
BxP:475
+Elizabeth GRIMSTON ref #: (BxP:475)
*2nd Wife of William Savile:
+Mary FINCH ref #: (BxP:475)
12 Dorothy SAVILE 1699 - 1758 ref #: BxP:475
+Richard BOYLE 1695 - 1753 aka: 3d Earl of Cork
13 Charlotte Elizabeth BOYLE 1731 - 1754 aka: Baroness Clifford ref
#: (BPci:648)
+William CAVENDISH 1720 - 1764 aka: K.G. / 4th Duke of Devonshire
ref #: BPci:648
14 Dorothy CAVENDISH - 1794 ref #: BPci:650
+William Henry CAVENDISH-BENTINCK 1738 - 1809 aka: 3d Duke of
Portland ref #: BPci:1759
15 William Charles Augustus CAVENDISH-BENTINCK 1780 - 1826 ref #:
BPci:1759
+Anne WELLESLEY - 1875 ref #: (BPci:1759)
16 Charles William Frederick CAVENDISH-BENTINCK 1817 - 1865
+Caroline Louisa BURNABY 1833 - 1918 ref #: (BPci:1759)
17 Nina Cecilia CAVENDISH-BENTINCK 1862 - 1938 ref #: BPci:1759
+Claude George BOWES-LYON 1855 - 1944 aka: 14th Earl of Strathmore
& Kinghorne ref #: AAP:347
18 Elizabeth Angela Marguerite BOWES-LYON 1900 - ref #: AAP:347
+George VI OF ENGLAND 1895 - 1952 ref #: AAP:347
19 Elizabeth II OF ENGLAND 1926 - aka: Queen of Great Britain ref #:
AAP:347
+Philip GLÜCKSBERG 1921 - ref #: AAP:347
20 [6] Charles Philip Arthur George WINDSOR 1948 - ref #: AAP:347
+[5] Diana Frances SPENCER 1961 - 1997 ref #: AAP:347
21 [7] William Arthur Philip Louis WINDSOR 1982 - ref #: AACPW:22.8
9 Alice SPENCER 1625 - 1696
10 Mary MOORE
11 John BELLENDEN 1685 - 1740 aka: 3d Lord Bellenden
12 Diana BELLENDEN 1731 - 1799
13 John BULTEEL 1763 - 1837
14 John Crocker BULTEEL ref #: (BPci:1835)
+Elizabeth GREY 1798 - 1880 ref #: (BPci:1835)
15 Louisa Emily Charlotte BULTEEL 1839 - 1892 ref #: (BPci:1835)
+Edward Charles BARING 1828 - aka: 1st Baron Revelstoke ref #:
BPci:1835
16 [9] Margaret BARING 1868 - 1906 ref #: BPci:1836
+[10] Charles Robert SPENCER 1857 - 1922 aka: K.G. / 6th Earl
Spencer ref #: BPci:2045
17 [2] Albert Edward John SPENCER 1892 - 1975 aka: 7th Earl Spencer
ref #: (see notes)
+[1] Cynthia Eleanor Beatrix HAMILTON 1897 - 1972 aka: Lady
Cynthia Hamilton D.C.V.O.
18 [3] Edward John SPENCER 1924 - 1992 aka: 8th Earl Spencer ref #:
(AACPW:22)
+[4] Frances Ruth BURKE ROCHE 1936 - ref #: AACPW:22.6
19 [5] Diana Frances SPENCER 1961 - 1997 ref #: AAP:347
+[6] Charles Philip Arthur George WINDSOR 1948 - ref #: AAP:347
20 [7] William Arthur Philip Louis WINDSOR 1982 - ref #: AACPW:22.8
*2nd Wife of [3] Edward John Spencer:
+[8] Raine MCCORQUODALE 1929 - aka: Countess of Dartmouth
6 William SPENCER ref #: BPci:1456
7 Catherine SPENCER - 1612 ref #: (BPci:1436)
+Henry MONTAGU 1563 - aka: 1st Earl of Manchester ref #: BPci:1436
8 James MONTAGU
9 James MONTAGU
10 James MONTAGU
11 John MONTAGU 1719 - 1795
12 George MONTAGU 1750 - 1829
13 Georgiana MONTAGU 1786 - 1854
14 Anne Frances GORE 1817 - 1877
+Richard William Penn CURZON-HOWE 1796 - 1870 aka: 1st Earl Howe
ref #: BxP:289
15 Mary Anna CURZON-HOWE 1848 - 1929
+James HAMILTON 1838 - 1913 aka: 2d Duke of Abercorn ref #: BPci:4
16 [11] James Albert Edward HAMILTON 1869 - 1953 aka: 3d Duke of
Abercorn ref #: BPci:4
+[12] Rosalind Cecilia Caroline BINGHAM 1869 - 1958 ref #:
(BPci:4)
17 [1] Cynthia Eleanor Beatrix HAMILTON 1897 - 1972 aka: Lady Cynthia
Hamilton D.C.V.O.
+[2] Albert Edward John SPENCER 1892 - 1975 aka: 7th Earl Spencer
ref #: (see notes)
18 [3] Edward John SPENCER 1924 - 1992 aka: 8th Earl Spencer ref #:
(AACPW:22)
+[4] Frances Ruth BURKE ROCHE 1936 - ref #: AACPW:22.6
19 [5] Diana Frances SPENCER 1961 - 1997 ref #: AAP:347
+[6] Charles Philip Arthur George WINDSOR 1948 - ref #: AAP:347
20 [7] William Arthur Philip Louis WINDSOR 1982 - ref #: AACPW:22.8
*2nd Wife of [3] Edward John Spencer:
+[8] Raine MCCORQUODALE 1929 - aka: Countess of Dartmouth
6 Alice SPENCER - 1636/37 ref #: BPci631
+Ferdinando STANLEY - 1594 aka: 5th Earl of Derby ref #: BPci631
7 Frances STANLEY 1583 - 1636 ref #: BxP:187
+John EGERTON aka: 1st Earl of Bridgewater ref #: BxP:187
8 John EGERTON 1623 - 1686 aka: 2d Earl of Bridgewater ref #: BxP:187
+Elizabeth CAVENDISH ref #: BxP:109
9 John EGERTON 1646 - 1700/01 aka: 3d Earl of Bridgewater ref #:
BxP:187
+Jane PAULET - 1716 ref #: BxP:187
10 [13] Scroope EGERTON 1681 - 1744/45 aka: 4th Earl / 1st Duke of
Bridgewater ref #: BxP:187
+[14] Elizabeth SPENCER ref #: (BxP:187)
11 [15] Anne EGERTON 1700 - 1762 ref #: BxP:187
+[16] William VILLIERS - 1769 aka: 3d Earl of Jersey
12 [17] George Bussy VILLIERS 1735 - 1805 aka: 4th Earl of Jersey
+[18] Frances TWYSDEN
13 [19] Caroline Elizabeth VILLIERS - 1835
+[20] Henry William PAGET 1768 - 1854 aka: 1st Marquess of
Anglesey ref #: (BPci:1842)
14 [21] Caroline PAGET - 1874 ref #: (BPci:1842)
+[22] Charles LENNOX 1791 - 1860 aka: 5th Duke of Richmond ref #:
BPci:1842
15 [23] Cecilia Catherine LENNOX - 1910 ref #: BPci:1843
+[24] George BINGHAM 1830 - 1914 aka: 4th Earl of Lucan ref #:
(BPci:4)
16 [12] Rosalind Cecilia Caroline BINGHAM 1869 - 1958 ref #:
(BPci:4)
+[11] James Albert Edward HAMILTON 1869 - 1953 aka: 3d Duke of
Abercorn ref #: BPci:4
17 [1] Cynthia Eleanor Beatrix HAMILTON 1897 - 1972 aka: Lady Cynthia
Hamilton D.C.V.O.
+[2] Albert Edward John SPENCER 1892 - 1975 aka: 7th Earl Spencer
ref #: (see notes)
18 [3] Edward John SPENCER 1924 - 1992 aka: 8th Earl Spencer ref #:
(AACPW:22)
+[4] Frances Ruth BURKE ROCHE 1936 - ref #: AACPW:22.6
19 [5] Diana Frances SPENCER 1961 - 1997 ref #: AAP:347
+[6] Charles Philip Arthur George WINDSOR 1948 - ref #: AAP:347
20 [7] William Arthur Philip Louis WINDSOR 1982 - ref #: AACPW:22.8
*2nd Wife of [3] Edward John Spencer:
+[8] Raine MCCORQUODALE 1929 - aka: Countess of Dartmouth
*2nd Husband of [15] Anne Egerton:
+[25] Wriothesley RUSSELL 1708 - 1732 aka: 3d Duke of Bedford ref
#: BPci:182
*2nd Wife of [13] Scroope Egerton:
+Rachel RUSSELL ref #: (BxP:187)
2 John SPENCER ref #: AAP:239
+Anne EMPSON ref #: AAP:239
3 Jane SPENCER ref #: AAP:239
+William COPE ref #: AAP:239
4 Anthony COPE ref #: AAP:239
+Jane CREWS ref #: AAP:239
5 Edward COPE ref #: AAP:239
+Elizabeth MOHUN ref #: AAP:239
6 Walter COPE ref #: (NK1:50)
+Dorothy GRENVILLE ref #: (NK1:50)
7 Isabel COPE ref #: (BxP:452)
+Henry RICH 1590 - 1648/49 aka: 1st Earl of Holland ref #: BxP:452
8 Frances RICH - 1672 aka: Isabella Rich ref #: BxP:452
+James THYNNE - 1670 ref #: BPci:162
*2nd Husband of Frances Rich:
+William PAGET - 1678 aka: 5th Baron Paget ref #: BxP:417*
9 Henry PAGET ref #: BxP:417*
+Anne SANDFORD ref #: (BxP:417*)
10 Thomas PAGET ref #: BxP:417*
+Mary WHITCOMBE ref #: (BxP:417*)
11 Caroline PAGET ref #: BxP:417*
+Nicholas BAYLY aka: Bart. ref #: (BxP:417*)
12 [20] Henry William PAGET 1768 - 1854 aka: 1st Marquess of Anglesey
ref #: (BPci:1842)
+[19] Caroline Elizabeth VILLIERS - 1835
13 [21] Caroline PAGET - 1874 ref #: (BPci:1842)
+[22] Charles LENNOX 1791 - 1860 aka: 5th Duke of Richmond ref #:
BPci:1842
14 [23] Cecilia Catherine LENNOX - 1910 ref #: BPci:1843
+[24] George BINGHAM 1830 - 1914 aka: 4th Earl of Lucan ref #:
(BPci:4)
15 [12] Rosalind Cecilia Caroline BINGHAM 1869 - 1958 ref #:
(BPci:4)
+[11] James Albert Edward HAMILTON 1869 - 1953 aka: 3d Duke of
Abercorn ref #: BPci:4
16 [1] Cynthia Eleanor Beatrix HAMILTON 1897 - 1972 aka: Lady Cynthia
Hamilton D.C.V.O.
+[2] Albert Edward John SPENCER 1892 - 1975 aka: 7th Earl Spencer
ref #: (see notes)
17 [3] Edward John SPENCER 1924 - 1992 aka: 8th Earl Spencer ref #:
(AACPW:22)
+[4] Frances Ruth BURKE ROCHE 1936 - ref #: AACPW:22.6
18 [5] Diana Frances SPENCER 1961 - 1997 ref #: AAP:347
+[6] Charles Philip Arthur George WINDSOR 1948 - ref #: AAP:347
19 [7] William Arthur Philip Louis WINDSOR 1982 - ref #: AACPW:22.8
*2nd Wife of [3] Edward John Spencer:
+[8] Raine MCCORQUODALE 1929 - aka: Countess of Dartmouth
*2nd Wife of [20] Henry William Paget:
+Charlotte CADOGAN
--
FWIW; AFAIK; IMHO; YMMV; yadda, yadda, yadda.
Regards, Ed Mann mailto:edl...@mail2.lcia.com
References:
Ä = Weis, _Ancestral_Roots_, 7th ed.
AACPW = Roberts & Reitwiesner, _American Ancestors and Cousins of
the Princess of Wales_, [page].
AAP = Roberts, _Ancestors_of_American_Presidents_, [page] or
[Pres. # : page].
BP1 = _Burke's_Presidential_Families_, 1st ed. [page].
BPci = _Burke's_Peerage_, 101st ed., [page].
BRF = Weir, _Britain's_Royal_Families_, [page].
BxP = _Burke's_Dormant_&_Extinct_Peerages_, [page].
EC1 = Redlich, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol I, [page].
EC2 = Langston & Buck, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
[page].
EC3 = Buck & Beard, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
[page].
F = Faris, _Plantagenet_Ancestry_, [page:para].
NK1 = Roberts, _Notable_Kin_Volume_One_, [page].
Π= Hardy, _Colonial_Families_of_the_Southern_States_of_America_,
[page].
S = Stuart, _Royalty_for_Commoners_, 2d ed. Caveat emptor.
W = Weis, _Magna_Charta_Sureties,_1215_, 4th ed.
WFT = Broderbund's World Family Tree CD, [vol]:[num] Caveat emptor.
WMC = Wurt's Magna Charta, [vol]:[page]
D. Spencer Hines
Yes, AAP, p. 239, seems to be a prime, readily available, compiled
source for the Henry SPENCER/ Isabella LINCOLN connection.
But, what is Gary Boyd Roberts' chart based upon? Can anyone tell us?
Also, we still don't seem to have any parents for Henry SPENCER. Can
anyone speak to that chestnut?
Cheers,
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas
Fortem Posce Animum
--
D. Spencer Hines --- "All good things to those who wait." --- Dr.
Hannibal Lecter [Anthony Hopkins] to Agent Clarice Starling [Jodie
Foster] in "The Silence of the Lambs" [1991]
ED MANN wrote in message <36C6C715...@mail2.lcia.com>...
>"D. Spencer Hines" wrote:
>>
>> Henry SPENCER of Bodby, Northamptonshire, England, allegedly died
>> about 1477/78. He was married to Isabella LINCOLN.
>>
>> Henry and Isabella are reportedly the 15th Great-Grandparents of
Sir
>> Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill [1874-1965] and the 16th
>> Great-Grandparents of Lady Diana Spencer [Diana, Princess of Wales]
>> [1961-1997] as well as the 17th Great-Grandparents of her son,
Prince
>> William.
>>
>> Henry and Isabella, by some accounts, also appear to be the 16th
>> Great-Grandparents of Charles, Prince of Wales [1948- ].
>>
>> Is this all tommyrot, or can it be proven? If it is true, who are
the
>> parents of Henry SPENCER of Bodby, Northamptonshire [Northants?].
>
>The purported descents are as follows, sources as shown:
>
>Descendants of Henry Spencer
>
> 1 Henry SPENCER - 1477 ref #: AAP:239
> +Isabella LINCOLN ref #: AAP:239
> 2 William SPENCER ref #: AAP:239
> +Elizabeth EMPSON ref #: AAP:239
> 3 John SPENCER 1460 - 1522 ref #: AAP:239
> +Isabel GRAUNT ref #: AAP:239
<snip>