Brome of Baddesley Clinton and of Holton
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Warwickshire and of Holton (formally Halton), Oxfordshire.
Some of the sources uses the name “Browne”, but I suspect this is always a
miss-reading of the name (eg The PCC Will of Sir John Brome has been indexed
by PRO as Sir John Browne of Holton, but my reading of the name in both the
will and probate clause is Brome throughout). The family originated from
Bro(o)me, Warwickshire and have three sprigs of broom in their shield
Some of this family, those in connection with Lord Wenlock have been
discussed here before.
(» = issue; « = no issue)
William Brome of Warwick » (with Denys Brome of Bromes, Lapwith)
John Brome of Brome » (with Phillip Brome 2nd son; and Robert Brome)
Robert Brome m Parnell d&h of Robert Stereton »
William Brome m Hauis d of William Halwys als Halwis by Auicia (she m2
Galfreds Dod) d of Richard le Gaunte Auicia was sister of Galfred le Ganut »
(with William 2nd son, Paulin and Agnes)
Robert Brome of Brome m Margery d of William Brooke »
Robert Brome of Brome m d&h of William Stonley »
John Brome of Broome, Warwicks m Joane d&h of Thomas Rody of Badisley »
(A) John Brome (-1468 murdered White Friars, London) junior; of Bridge End,
Warwick and Lord of the Vill of Baddesley Clinton, Warwicks etc; m Beatrix
(-1483 bur Baddesly) d of Sr Ralph Sherley als Shirley of Sherely, Leicests »
(1) Nicholas Brome [031S1450] (<1448-1517 bur Baddesley) of manor of
Lapworth als Browmes and Baddesley, Shield, Sable a cheveron with three sprigs of
broom thereon; m1 Elizabth d of Renfrey Arundell of Lanheame »
(a) Isable Brome [Vis: calls her Margaret] m Thomas Marrow (-1537) serjeant
at law (» Dorothy (1530-) m Francis Cockayne) and
(b) Constance Brome (-1551) m» ?c1497 Sir Edward (-1551) s&h of Sir Henry
Ferrers knt
Nicholas Brome m2 Lettice d of Nicholas Catesby »
(i) John Brome dsp
(ii) Ralph Brome of Woodlow m1 Anne d of Reginold Digby of Colleshall » (see
below) and m2 d of William Newport » (William Brome and Alice Brome m Johan’
s Olney)
Nicholas Brome m3 Katherine Lampecke, (last m not in Vis) » (son and
Elizabeth m 1527 Thomas Hawes of Edlicote, Warwicks)
(2) Jane m John Gregorie
(3) Isabell m1 Philip Purfoye (» John, William, Nicholas and Alice) m2 John
Denton (» Anne m Sr Edward Grenill kt; Alice m Nicholas Purefoy & Thomas)
(4) Thomas Brome m« Jane d of Midlemore
Ralph Brome and Anne Digby »
Skeuington
William
Thomas dsp
Katherine m William Stoner
Gertrude m Tho. Wagstaffe
Anne m Edward Palmer
Reignold Brome of Woodlow m« Elizabeth d of Thomas Skeuington of Keuington
William Brome of Woodlow, Warwicks 3rd son; heir to his br; m Katherine
3d&ch of Thomas Skeffington of Skeffington.
William Brome and Katherine Skeffington left:
Robert Brome s&h aged 11 in 1619
George 2nd son dsp
Thomas 3rd son aged 6 in 1619
John 4 sonne aetat. dimidiu’ Anni. in 1619
Anne aged 8 in 1619
(B) William Browne (-1461 MI Holton) als Brome of Worminghall manor, Bucks
and Holton (formally Halton), Oxon; 2nd son; m Agnes (c1428-1480) d&ch (with 2
others) of Thomas Baldington (-1436) of Albury, Oxon by Agnes Danvers
(-1478) (Agnes Baldington m2 Sir Geoffrey Gate (-c1476), Agnes Danvers m2 (»4d)
John Fray chief bn of Exch.; m3« John Wenlock (-1471) Ld Wenlock and m4« c1474
Sir John Say (-1478) speaker of HoC; of Broxbourne) »
(a) Robert Browne (1440x1459-) als Brome als Broun; s&h; of Worminghall »
Christopher Browne (1477-1509) s&h; of Worminghall; m Sybil»
(i) John Browne (1488x1509-1558 PCC Will 1558, to be bur Holton; MI) s&h;
knt (cr ?=>1549); In 1550 sold Worminghall to William Birt; of Holton; m
Margaret (-?<1556 bur Holton MI) ?d of John Rose or Rous of Ragley, Warwicks »
(1) Christopher Browne (-1589 bur Holton MI) als Broome, of Holton; knt
(1566 at Bradenham); In 1560/1 acquired from Edward Ferrys [Ferrers] the manors
of Badsley Clynton [als Baddesley Clinton] and Hambleton Magna, Ruts (jointly
with Edmund Wyndsore [perhaps his br-in-law] and Thomas Hawes); m1« Elizabeth
d of Sir Thomas Weynman; m2 (<1556) Eleanor (-bur Holton MI) 2d of William
Windsor (1498-1558 Will left all to his servant Mary Symes!) Ld Windsor of
Stanwell & Bradenham »
(I) George Brome; s&h; In 1595/6 sold the Ferrers manors (» (a) William
Brome (-1599 bur Holton MI) and (b) Ursula (heir of her br) m Sir Thomas Whorwood
of Sandwell, Staffs); (II) Thomas Brome; (III) Katherine m John Dynham of
Bowstall (Bostall), Bucks; (IV) Elizabeth; (V) Bridget; (VI) Anne; (VII) Mary;
(VIII) Elianor (but MI says quinque filias?)
(2) dau m (<1556) Vincent Poore
(3) dau m (<1556) Babhyn (as far as I can make out)
(4) dau m (<1556) Purefray (cf Fray?)
(5) dau m (<1556) John Powell
(6) Katherine Browne als Brome; maid of honour to queen Mary; m (his m1)
Edward Nevill (-1588/9) 7Bn Abergavenny
(7) & (8) octo daughters per MI
(ii) William Browne » Nicholas Browne (In 1556 s&h app.)
(b) Constance Browne [026S1425] als Fray, abbess of Syon and whom Agnes
Danvers left property in Newgate, London
SOURCES (with the form of the name Browne/Brome)
Vis of Warwickshire 1619 (Brome)
Vis of Oxford pp 230-1 (Brome)
Shaw’s knights Vol II p 65 and p 72 (Browne)
Emails from Adrian Fray in July 1999 to Gen-Medieval, subjct line
Browne/Sharp/FRAY
CP 7Bn Abergavenny (Brome); Ld Windsor; Ld Wenlock
1558 PCC Will. Indexed as Sir John Browne of Holton, but name rendered as
Brome throughout Will and Probate clause.
Citation: 'Parishes : Worminghall', A History of the County of Buckingham:
Volume 4 (1927), pp. 125-30. URL:
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.asp?compid=62549&strquery="Christopher% 20Browne". Date accessed: 26 September
2007. (Browne)
Citation: 'Parishes: Baddesley Clinton', A History of the County of Warwick:
Volume 4: Hemlingford Hundred (1947), pp. 13-9. URL:
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.asp? compid=42646&strquery="Baddesley%20Clinton". Date
accessed: 02 October 2007. (Browme)
PRO A2A Shakespeare Birthplace Trust Records Office, Ferrers of Baddesley
Clinton; DR 3/55 (Broun); DR 3/96 DR 3/228 (Brome); DR 3/245 (Brome and Browne);
DR 3/261 (Broun); DR 3/292 (Browne); DR 3/316 (Brome); DR 3/337 (Brome); DR
3/338 (Broome & Brome); DR 3/455 (Broun); DR 3/456 (Brome) DR 3/615
(Browne); DR10/1950 (Browne)
PRO A2A Documents from the collection of Sir Thomas Phillipps Catalogue Ref.
MS 3525/ACC 1935-043/437896 (Brome als Broune)
Plantagenet Ancestry by Doughlas Richardson (Brome als Brown)
History of Hetrs by John Edwin Cussans) p 310 (Browne)
Adrian
WJhonson
(1) Nicholas Brome [031S1450] (<1448-1517 bur Baddesley) of manor of
Lapworth als Browmes and Baddesley, Shield, Sable a cheveron with three sprigs of
broom thereon; m1 Elizabth d of Renfrey Arundell of Lanheame »
(a) Isable Brome [Vis: calls her Margaret] m Thomas Marrow (-1537) serjeant
at law (» Dorothy (1530-) m Francis Cockayne) and
(b) Constance Brome (-1551) m» ?c1497 Sir Edward (-1551) s&h of Sir Henry
Ferrers knt >>
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No doubt there were two Thomas Marrows which are getting confused.
Thomas Marrow who's will was proven 10 Apr 1505 bequeths to both Sir Richard Throgmorton Knt, and also " to my nephews George and Richard Throckmorton..."
He seems a little old to be marrying the at-least-ten-if-not-thirty years younger Isabel Brome, so perhaps there was a Thomas Sr and a Thomas Jr running around? That would then explain the confusion on the name of his wife/widow.
Will Johnson
WJhonson
(a) Isable Brome [Vis: calls her Margaret] m Thomas Marrow (-1537) serjeant
at law (» Dorothy (1530-) m Francis Cockayne) and
(b) Constance Brome (-1551) m» ?c1497 Sir Edward (-1551) s&h of Sir Henry
Ferrers knt >>
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I would suggest the death year 1551 is a merger with his son also Edward. The father is known to have a will dated 10 Jul 1535, and *if* he lived to 1551 would have been at least 83 and as much as 106.
It's not impossible he could have lived to 83, but we should examine the evidence on which Edward to which the 1551 date refers.
Will
ADRIANCH...@aol.com
ADRIANCHANNING02 writes:
Lapworth als Browmes and Baddesley, Shield, Sable a cheveron with three
sprigs of
broom thereon; m1 Elizabth d of Renfrey Arundell of Lanheame »
(a) Isable Brome [Vis: calls her Margaret] m Thomas Marrow (-1537) serjeant
at law (» Dorothy (1530-) m Francis Cockayne) and
(b) Constance Brome (-1551) m» ?c1497 Sir Edward (-1551) s&h of Sir Henry
Ferrers knt >>
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Will Jhonson replied,
>>>>
No doubt there were two Thomas Marrows which are getting confused.
Thomas Marrow who's will was proven 10 Apr 1505 bequeths to both Sir Richard
Throgmorton Knt, and also " to my nephews George and Richard Throckmorton..."
He seems a little old to be marrying the at-least-ten-if-not-thirty years
younger Isabel Brome, so perhaps there was a Thomas Sr and a Thomas Jr running
around? That would then explain the confusion on the name of his wife/widow.
<<<
Will,
Thanks for your message. Yes there is somthing wrong and I have Thomas
Marrows date of death wrong. I will look at this further and make another post.
(I think my construction agrees to 'Parishes: Baddesley Clinton', A History
of the County of Warwick: Volume 4: Hemlingford Hundred (1947), pp. 13-9, but
not to A2A Shakespeare Birthplace Trust Records Office DR 3/464 and 3/294)
regards,
Adrian
ADRIANCH...@aol.com
In a message dated 09/10/2007 09:03:13 GMT Standard Time, wjho...@aol.com
writes:
<<In a message dated 10/06/07 10:34:33 Pacific Standard Time,
ADRIANCHANNING02 writes:
(a) Isable Brome [Vis: calls her Margaret] m Thomas Marrow (-1537) serjeant
at law (» Dorothy (1530-) m Francis Cockayne) and
(b) Constance Brome (-1551) m» ?c1497 Sir Edward (-1551) s&h of Sir Henry
Ferrers knt >>
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Will replied.
I would suggest the death year 1551 is a merger with his son also Edward.
The father is known to have a will dated 10 Jul 1535, and *if* he lived to
1551 would have been at least 83 and as much as 106.
It's not impossible he could have lived to 83, but we should examine the
evidence on which Edward to which the 1551 date refers.
Will
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Opps, yet another error. He died 1535
Church of Baddesley Clinton:
"The chancel is said by Dugdale to have been lengthened 12 ft. in 1535, but
it was entirely rebuilt in 1634 by Edward Ferrers; as is recorded on a tablet
in the chancel. The 16th-century east window with its ancient glass was
retained in place, or re-set, as was also the tomb of Sir Edward Ferrers, who
died in 1535. The addition to the nave roof was probably also part of the same
work"
Adrian
wjhonson
>
> ReignoldBromeof Woodlow m« Elizabeth d of Thomas Skeuington of Keuington
> WilliamBromeof Woodlow, Warwicks 3rd son; heir to his br; m Katherine
> 3d&ch of Thomas Skeffington of Skeffington.
>
> WilliamBromeand Katherine Skeffington left:
>
> George 2nd son dsp
> Thomas 3rd son aged 6 in 1619
> John 4 sonne aetat. dimidiu' Anni. in 1619
> Anne aged 8 in 1619
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On this part I can now offer an additional specificity.
William Brome and Catherine Skeffington married on 14 Jul 1606 at
Arley, Warwickshire (For marriage see www.familysearch.org - IGI -
British Isles - Batch M039702)
Their two eldest sons were baptised there at Arley
Robert 3 Jan 1610
George 25 Nov 1611
As I already pointed out, Catherine outlived William, living as his
widow on 16 AUg 1622.
Now if we want to bring this line forward another hundred years look
at this page from the Gentleman's Mag
http://books.google.com/books?id=M7bLGxCkwZYC&pg=PA199&dq=brome+of+woodlow
Will Johnson
John Higgins
segment on the family of Brome [or Browne] of Holton [or Halton],
Oxfordshire:
[END OF QUOTE]
If I am reading the above corrrectly, taking into account the genration
numbering and particularly the dates given for John Brome, the sequence of
the family is William -> Robert -> John -> Christopher -> George -> William.
Specifically it seems to say that Robert had two sons, Christopher [the
elder] and John, and only John had issue..
The source for this is apparently the following citation:
> SOURCES (with the form of the name Browne/Brome)
>
> Citation: 'Parishes : Worminghall', A History of the County of Buckingham:
> Volume 4 (1927), pp. 125-30. URL:
>
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.asp?compid=62549&strquery="Christoph
er% 20Browne". Date accessed: 26 September
> 2007. (Browne)
The pertinent segment in this volume of VCH Bucks has the following to say:
"They [William Tracy and his wife Margery, dau. of Sir John Pauncefote]
conveyed it [Worminghall] to William Browne, who died in 1461, in the
minority of his son and heir Robert. He succeeded to his father's property
in 1480 on the death of his mother Agnes, who had survived her second
husband Sir Geoffrey Gate nearly four years. Christopher son and heir of
Robert proved his age in 1498 and died seised of the Worminghall estate in
1509, when an assignment in dower was made to his widow Sybil. The custody
of the son and heir John was granted in 1510 to Edward Grevill. In 1550
John Browne sold Worminghall Manor to William Birt." END QUOTE
Although the wording is admittedly less than specific, this seems to
indicate that John Browne [or Brome] was the son, not the brother, of
Christopher, and thus he was certainly not born in 1488 as indicated above.
He was a minor in 1510 and thus was presumably born no earlier than 1500
say. This would make the sequence of this family as William -> Robert ->
Christopher -> John -> Christopher -> George -> William, instead of the
sequence indicated above.
Does this make sense - or am I missing something here? Is there other
evidence indicating who was the father of John Brome of Halton?
ADRIANCH...@aol.com
In a message dated 17/10/2007 05:34:19 GMT Standard Time,
jthi...@sbcglobal.net writes:
SNIP
>>>>
Although the wording is admittedly less than specific, this seems to
indicate that John Browne [or Brome] was the son, not the brother, of
Christopher, and thus he was certainly not born in 1488 as indicated above.
He was a minor in 1510 and thus was presumably born no earlier than 1500
say. This would make the sequence of this family as William -> Robert ->
Christopher -> John -> Christopher -> George -> William, instead of the
sequence indicated above.
Does this make sense - or am I missing something here? Is there other
evidence indicating who was the father of John Brome of Halton?
<<<<
I guess I could have laid this out better, it might help to put a paragraph
ending immediately before Christopher Browne (1477-1509). It is his issue by
Sybil who are (i) John Browne and (ii) William Browne.
A minor means he was under 21; my notation John Browne (1488x1509-1558...
means that John was born between 1488 and 1509.
I don't have any additional verification of John's father, apart from VCH
Bucks, but you could try the refs given therein
Let me know if the above is still not clear.
Regards,
Adrian
WJhonson
A minor means he was under 21; my notation John Browne (1488x1509-1558...
means that John was born between 1488 and 1509. >>
Since Christopher Brome proved his age in 1498, it's likely he was 21 in that year, putting his own birthyear as 1477. Since he died 1509 seized of Worminghall, then his son and heir John Brome must have been born 1495/1510, shaving a few more years off your estimate.
Will Johnson
