Hawkwood + Coggeshall + Wattevile
Henry Sutliff
I would post the following for opinions as to accuracy within the
discussed associations:
From the Visitation of Essex (1558):
John Cogeshall of Hartfordshire lived in the tyme of E. 1, he had lands
in Rellen Hall or Rewenhal in the county of Essex
1
Sir John Cogeshall 2 son of John 23 E1.
1
John Cogeshall held lands in p’va Benfleet of the honor of Rawley in
Essex 14 E.2
1
Sir John Cogeshall Knt. Of Essex 12 E. 3 = Mabell sister & heire to
Anfrus de Staunton and Mary his wife 16 E. 3
1
Henery Cogshall 49 E. 3 = Joanne his wife
1
William sonne & heire 49 E. 3
1
Thomas Cogshall
1
Richard Cogshall son of Thomas 9 H. 5 = … da. & coheire to Sr. John
Wattevile Kt.
1
Sir William Cogshall Kt. Had 4 wiffes 4 H. 6 = Mary da. & h. to Sir
John Hawkwood Knt.
1
Four daughters:
(1) Blanche = uxor John Dorward ob. 37 H. 6
(2) Elianor = wiffe to John Tirell of Heron, Treasurer of the Household
to K. H. 6
(3) Margarett = wiffe to … Bateman after Sir John Green of Essex, Kt.
(4) … wife of John St. George
I believe the last named daughter was Matilda, wife of John St. George
of Hatley St. George, Camb. (see Burke’s Extinct Peerage)
Also from the same Visitation (under Cotton):
Robertus de Wattevilla sans date = Dna Matilda ux ejus
1
Willmus de Wateville miles a 19 E. 1 = Thoremina ux. Ejus
1
Johanne Watevyle de Panfield miles a 14 E. 3 = Dna Alicia de Watevile a
13 E. 3 –a 5. E.2 filia et haeres Petri de … (note: This is copied as
accurately as the MS will admit; there is confusion and evident
inaccuracy in the dates)
1
… filia et coh. ux Richardi Cogeshall
Thanks for comments,
Henry Sutliff
Leo van de Pas
According to Gerald Paget Sir John Tyrell, of Heron, died before 1
September 1437 which places him in the reign of
King Henry VI, he married Alice Coggeshall, daughter of William Coggeshall.
In Gerald Pagets book on the ancestors of Prince Charles,
these two can be found under Q 113603/4 and Q 115106/7
and I have not attempted to count but they must be ancestors several times.
The question is : is Alice and Eleanor one person? And is Mary Hawkwood her
mother? Suddenly, to me,
this find by Henry Sutliff becomes quite important as it may extend another
line of ancestry of Prince William of Wales.
And yes, they are also ancestors of Lady Diana Spencer.
Can anyone elaborate on this?
Best wishes
Leo van de Pas
ED MANN
>
> In Gerald Pagets book on the ancestors of Prince Charles,
Is this in print? Sources?
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FWIW; AFAIK; IMHO; YMMV; yadda, yadda, yadda.
Regards, Ed Mann mailto:edl...@mail2.lcia.com
ray montgomery
Would you please translate this as i do not understand it!
Sincerely
RAY
>Also from the same Visitation (under Cotton):
>
>Robertus de Wattevilla sans date = Dna Matilda ux ejus
>1
>Willmus de Wateville miles a 19 E. 1 = Thoremina ux. Ejus
>1
>Johanne Watevyle de Panfield miles a 14 E. 3 = Dna Alicia de Watevile
>a
>13 E. 3 –a 5. E.2 filia et haeres Petri de … (note: This is copied as
>accurately as the MS will admit; there is confusion and evident
>inaccuracy in the dates)
>1
>… filia et coh. ux Richardi Cogeshall
>
>
>Thanks for comments,
>
>Henry Sutliff
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and thanks to others, I think the following translations should be right or
very close
Sans date...without date
Ux ejus'......his wife?
Miles....knight
You need to refer to a book that has the reigns of the kings, to determine the
date of death, which I beieve is what the "19 E 1" is ...19th regnal year of
Edward the first
Filia et haeres.......daughter and heir.......I think filio is son....
Filia et coh...daughter and coheir...and wife (ux) of Richard??
I posted this to the mail list so true experts can comment on my
translations..hope I am not to far off on them
ray montgomery
RAY
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